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Post by northwestman on Mar 11, 2024 19:26:26 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 12, 2024 13:21:52 GMT 1
I find it extremely odd that a man who uses the word black in this instance is now trying to tell us he’s not using it as racist. Do they really think we are that stupid?!
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 12, 2024 14:51:22 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 12, 2024 16:20:58 GMT 1
She's an odious creature, but it doesn't mean you can racially abuse her and want her shot.
Frankly ridiculous.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 12, 2024 16:41:51 GMT 1
She's an odious creature, but it doesn't mean you can racially abuse her and want her shot. Frankly ridiculous. She's an elected representative of her constituency, she gets in time and again. In just the same way as Mr Kawczynski does for Shrewsbury. You or I might not see eye to eye with what they do or say, and might say they are useless at their job. But neither of us may ever spoken to or dealt with either of them, so branding either of them 'odious' individuals is unfair. Unless, of course, you have met the lady and found her 'odious'? |
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 12, 2024 17:09:13 GMT 1
She's an odious creature, but it doesn't mean you can racially abuse her and want her shot. Frankly ridiculous. She's an elected representative of her constituency, she gets in time and again. In just the same way as Mr Kawczynski does for Shrewsbury. You or I might not see eye to eye with what they do or say, and might say they are useless at their job. But neither of us may ever spoken to or dealt with either of them, so branding either of them 'odious' individuals is unfair. Unless, of course, you have met the lady and found her 'odious'? I find her political beliefs odious. You know why she's voted in time and time again, it's Hackney. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 20:14:29 GMT 1
She's an elected representative of her constituency, she gets in time and again. In just the same way as Mr Kawczynski does for Shrewsbury. You or I might not see eye to eye with what they do or say, and might say they are useless at their job. But neither of us may ever spoken to or dealt with either of them, so branding either of them 'odious' individuals is unfair. Unless, of course, you have met the lady and found her 'odious'? I find her political beliefs odious. You know why she's voted in time and time again, it's Hackney. Do you think Kawczynski would get elected in anything other than a Tory safe seat like Shrewsbury?
Say what you like about Diane Abbott, but she is actually very popular in her constituency, while Kawczynski is at best tolerated by even the staunchest Tory voters in Shrewsbury.
I'm not a fan of hers by any stretch of the imagination and it amazes me that she was ever seen as shadow cabinet material, but looking at some of the government ministers over the last few years rather puts that into perspective. I mean Esther McVey, James (not so) Cleverly, Grant Shapps, Liz Truss and for crying out loud even Nadine Dorries somehow made it into a ministerial position.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 14, 2024 0:10:25 GMT 1
You forgot, and who could forget, The Rt Hon Thérèse Coffey MP.
Downing Street says Hester's comment was racist, but how the Conservative party will wriggle and squirm to try to ensure they don't pay back £10M, can't say I blame them. But what if the public take the view that keeping the money indicates just how lacking in morals the modern day Conservative party is? This could run and run.
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 14, 2024 6:29:42 GMT 1
I don’t think it indicates it. For me it proves it.
No standards, no principles, no ethics, no integrity, the list just goes on and on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 7:30:08 GMT 1
You forgot, and who could forget, The Rt Hon Thérèse Coffey MP. Downing Street says Hester's comment was racist, but how the Conservative party will wriggle and squirm to try to ensure they don't pay back £10M, can't say I blame them. But what if the public take the view that keeping the money indicates just how lacking in morals the modern day Conservative party is? This could run and run. Unfortunately at the moment in the UK there is a large amount of support for the views expressed by Hester, as seen by the amount of voters that the Tories are hemorrhaging to Reform. If the Tories were to give the money back it would show them as being weak and kowtowing to the woke lefties, leading to many more revolting and turning to Reform. If they keep it they will alienate many of those traditional Tory voters that aren't actual racists and they may take their votes to the LibDems or Labour or just not vote at all. Either way there is no way out of this that ends well for the Conservatives.
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
I was trying to forget about the Right Honourable lady (sic), but thanks for re-opening that wound.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 14, 2024 9:07:43 GMT 1
She's an odious creature, but it doesn't mean you can racially abuse her and want her shot. Frankly ridiculous. Not sure ridiculous is the right term to be honest, not sure weird covers it either. I don't like a fair few MP's, including Abbott (who has made numerous racist remarks herself), indeed I think some come across as extremely unpleasant people but I don't and will never see the need to use such violent language towards them. Thankfully I think those who do so are in the minority, including those in politics (again, we have to remember most don't find themselves in the papers and are just getting their heads down trying to do their best for their constituents). As for Hector, his comments were racist, sexist and disgusting. As I understand it he has apologized, shown remorse and I believe has tried to reach out to Abbott directly which is exactly what he should do. We will have to see how it play out but I think Sunak is right to point out that he has shown remorse when it comes to those demanding they distance themselves from him. I mean I am sure those who are now calling for the whip to be returned to Abbott will argue that she has admitted to her mistake and has apologized for her own racism (and this is not the first time). I guess its whether we believe people should be able to apologize for their mistakes, learn from them, are allowed to move on and given another chance. But we ought to be consistent in that. I mean I was pleased to see Sunak remind Starmer of McDonnell's comments regarding Esther McVey; joking about lynching a female MP in front of a cheering crowd is also disgusting. He has never apologized for that as far as I am aware. And we can file that alongside the other awful stuff he has come out with over the years. Abbott has spoken out to say that Hester's comments have put her in a frightening position, McVey said something similar about McDonnell's comments; McDonnell told her to stop playing the victim and referred to her as “the stain of inhumanity”. McDonnell is still a Labour MP and I wouldn't be too surprised if many of those now attacking the Tories and Hester are more than happy to see McDonnell remain so...we know how this works, right?  Anyhow, as I understand it these incidents were some years ago, considering what we have seen in the meantime you would hope that lessons have been learnt and people are starting to realize that such language is completely unacceptable. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 14, 2024 10:52:29 GMT 1
You forgot, and who could forget, The Rt Hon Thérèse Coffey MP. Downing Street says Hester's comment was racist, but how the Conservative party will wriggle and squirm to try to ensure they don't pay back £10M, can't say I blame them. But what if the public take the view that keeping the money indicates just how lacking in morals the modern day Conservative party is? This could run and run. Unfortunately at the moment in the UK there is a large amount of support for the views expressed by Hester, as seen by the amount of voters that the Tories are hemorrhaging to Reform. If the Tories were to give the money back it would show them as being weak and kowtowing to the woke lefties, leading to many more revolting and turning to Reform. If they keep it they will alienate many of those traditional Tory voters that aren't actual racists and they may take their votes to the LibDems or Labour or just not vote at all. Either way there is no way out of this that ends well for the Conservatives. Oh dear. How sad. Never mind. I was trying to forget about the Right Honourable lady (sic), but thanks for re-opening that wound.
Seems, as anyone would, that with no way this ends well for the Conservatives they have chosen the way that might let them keep the money  |
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Post by kenwood on Mar 14, 2024 11:38:39 GMT 1
As well as keeping the money according to Hollinrake they would accept any further donations from Hester .
Hmm, makes you think doesn’t it!
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 14, 2024 13:49:49 GMT 1
I almost feel sorry for Mr Sunak, considered inferior to Liz Truss by his party and now set to lead a disparate bunch of desperados into an election.
Oh well, at least he has his millions to fall back on, his rich wife and his loose mouthed rich chums.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 15, 2024 18:47:56 GMT 1
As well as keeping the money according to Hollinrake they would accept any further donations from Hester . Hmm, makes you think doesn’t it! They have! £5 million it is reported. |
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