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Post by mrcricket on Feb 24, 2024 21:16:00 GMT 1
Interesting Stats read out by Alex Rodman on the Verdict on BBC Shropshire.
Under Hurst:
Ball Possession Before Hurst 23rd Under Hurst 16th
Shots per 90 Minutes Before Hurst 23rd Under Hurst 2nd
Crossing per 90 Minutes Before Hurst 21st Under Hurst 2nd
Passes into the final third Before Hurst 22nd Under Hurst 1st
Pressing (DDDA) : Before Hurst 19th Under Hurst 1st
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Post by PHBA on Feb 24, 2024 21:34:06 GMT 1
That is an absolutely phenomenal up turn, and wholly representative of Hurst and Doigs style of play.
If you're a Facebook user, I'd post that on the Shrewsbury Town page, and let those who still back Bri*n C*ldw*ll know
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Post by vladimir on Feb 24, 2024 21:43:25 GMT 1
Water into wine. Not crossing per 90 mins into crossing per 90 mins.
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Post by jamo on Feb 24, 2024 21:48:16 GMT 1
That is an absolutely phenomenal up turn, and wholly representative of Hurst and Doigs style of play. If you're a Facebook user, I'd post that on the Shrewsbury Town page, and let those who still back Bri*n C*ldw*ll know How the hell is Caldwell relevant to those stats !
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2024 22:02:23 GMT 1
That is an absolutely phenomenal up turn, and wholly representative of Hurst and Doigs style of play. If you're a Facebook user, I'd post that on the Shrewsbury Town page, and let those who still back Bri*n C*ldw*ll know How the hell is Caldwell relevant to those stats ! maybe Brian is doing a Michael Beale on Facebook
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 24, 2024 22:50:21 GMT 1
They are remarkable stats, indeed; but, as we all know, stats don't win matches, although Alex Rodman did point out that continuing with such performances will ultimately show in results; let's keep it up!
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 24, 2024 23:11:53 GMT 1
Justifies what most of us knew and said for months, Taylor and Bignot ball stank the place out, itโs been a remarkable turnaround performance and stat wise but we came from a really low and dark place in our history
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 24, 2024 23:58:26 GMT 1
Justifies what most of us knew and said for months, Taylor and Bignot ball stank the place out, itโs been a remarkable turnaround performance and stat wise but we came from a really low and dark place in our history I think MT wanted to play the kind of football reading play. They love to hit long balls. Biggest difference is they have the players to make decent passes and a forward in Smith that can actually win a header and is quick enough to run in behind. Mt's mistake was not the formation or the tactics it was the fact he refused to change it. Even when his job was at risk he persisted with the same tactics. Very odd decisions which makes me think there was more than meets the eye.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 25, 2024 0:17:26 GMT 1
They are remarkable stats, indeed; but, as we all know, stats don't win matches, although Alex Rodman did point out that continuing with such performances will ultimately show in results; let's keep it up! They actually do. We count goals.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 25, 2024 0:18:29 GMT 1
Justifies what most of us knew and said for months, Taylor and Bignot ball stank the place out, itโs been a remarkable turnaround performance and stat wise but we came from a really low and dark place in our history I think MT wanted to play the kind of football reading play. They love to hit long balls. Biggest difference is they have the players to make decent passes and a forward in Smith that can actually win a header and is quick enough to run in behind. Mt's mistake was not the formation or the tactics it was the fact he refused to change it. Even when his job was at risk he persisted with the same tactics. Very odd decisions which makes me think there was more than meets the eye. The formation was dictated by the director of football. The director of football told us that.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 25, 2024 0:19:21 GMT 1
Justifies what most of us knew and said for months, Taylor and Bignot ball stank the place out, itโs been a remarkable turnaround performance and stat wise but we came from a really low and dark place in our history Yep. Inexperienced and poorly qualified. Hurst has his limitations but he knows them and he's not in denial about it.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 25, 2024 0:38:11 GMT 1
Stats are Stats yes, but it probably give a clearer picture as to why or how Town are on the up in my opinion.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 25, 2024 7:49:55 GMT 1
I think MT wanted to play the kind of football reading play. They love to hit long balls. Biggest difference is they have the players to make decent passes and a forward in Smith that can actually win a header and is quick enough to run in behind. Mt's mistake was not the formation or the tactics it was the fact he refused to change it. Even when his job was at risk he persisted with the same tactics. Very odd decisions which makes me think there was more than meets the eye. The formation was dictated by the director of football. The director of football told us that. I must have missed that, I was always under the impression that the official line was the match day decisions were down to MT.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 25, 2024 8:26:05 GMT 1
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 25, 2024 8:47:23 GMT 1
The stats under Taylor do not surprise me because we all saw how pathetic the football was. I'm surprised at the stats under Hurst, yes there's been a marked improvement but I didn't think there had been that much
The attacking improvements obviously are the ones that people will pick up on but the pressing is a key one and something which I'd imagine Hurst will be most happy with. And the pressing will get even better as the fitness improves
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 25, 2024 8:55:40 GMT 1
Anyone thatโs watched the games can see the level of the improvement with the naked eye, thatโs why itโs irked me in the last week or two to see things such as โHurst has a a similar points per game as Taylorโ. Weโre clearly far more likely to be successful now, thereโs never any guarantee but Hurst gives us a far greater chance.
Under Taylor, even if we werenโt in the relegation zone, we were without doubt one of the four worst teams in the division and the stats here back that up. Heโd have taken us down, Hurst has still got a long way to go to secure our safety but heโd already made us more likely to stay up than go down, in my opinion.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 25, 2024 8:56:32 GMT 1
Who knows about the dynamics and how things worked but for sure it was said at the start of the season that we would be going with the same formation as last season because we finished 12th. So the focus was on that including recruitment.
I just get the feeling that with Taylor not having a great deal of experience and success behind him he would have been reluctant to break away from that and change things around even though it clearly wasn't working. Unlike Hurst. I mean if Taylor would have started to change things and it didn't work or things got worse still I think he may have been under a lot more pressure because he may have been accused of deploying a system that the squad was not designed for. If you get my meaning. I think it was a bit of a straight jacket on Taylor and that's before we even get to whether he would have been able to improve things on his own accord if given the freedom to do so.
But anyhow, those stats really do tell a story. What an amazing turnaround. Be interesting to know where Rodman pulled them from, be worth keeping tabs on them moving forward.
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Post by callum on Feb 25, 2024 9:12:56 GMT 1
The formation was dictated by the director of football. The director of football told us that. I must have missed that, I was always under the impression that the official line was the match day decisions were down to MT. Only when we were losing! I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with Moore that's for sure. The sooner he goes the better, Hurst won't want him in the background running to Roland.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 25, 2024 23:38:13 GMT 1
The distinction between what a Head Coach and a Director of Football does seems to be very vague and changes between the managers and teams. For example - I get the impression that Hurst and Doig have a different 'role' to what Taylor and Bignott had, same with Cotterill at FGR or any other manager in the Leagues. If its true that Taylor was just the guy on the touchline and not picking the side/formation/tactics etc - and yet still had to front the whole procedure and ultimately then had to fall on his sword then I have yet more respect for him.
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Post by dewsburyshrew on Feb 26, 2024 1:14:09 GMT 1
It would seem that Taylor had a problem with change. At Walsall he started with progressive football and won a few games.Then when the team had injuries and had to use very young reserves he continued with the same style. The players were not good enough and a long losing run ensued.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 26, 2024 8:08:50 GMT 1
Can anyone find what the same stats were for last season under Cotterill?
I think our second goal on Saturday perhaps typified the change of approach under Hurst. Would Baylis have made that run or Shipley played that pass under MT?
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 11:53:37 GMT 1
Definitely not.... we'd be to busy defending under both cotterill and Taylor๐๐
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 26, 2024 11:56:27 GMT 1
That is an absolutely phenomenal up turn, and wholly representative of Hurst and Doigs style of play. If you're a Facebook user, I'd post that on the Shrewsbury Town page, and let those who still back Bri*n C*ldw*ll know How the hell is Caldwell relevant to those stats ! We were led to believe that Brian promoted the tales of Hursty clearing his desk and wouldn't have had Hurst back over his dead body. Well, thankfully it didn't come to that but, again, we are led to believe that his departure opened the door to Roland getting Hurst back, seemingly where he belongs.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 12:19:00 GMT 1
Yep.... Town and Hurst are a good fit imho.... hopefully we stay up,and then look forward to the new season in august.my hope as been restored ๐๐
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2024 12:31:03 GMT 1
Yep.... Town and Hurst are a good fit imho.... hopefully we stay up,and then look forward to the new season in august.my hope as been restored ๐๐ I have to agree with this sentiment; whatever the goings-on at the Club during 2023 - and I'm sure that more stories from all the protagonists will eventually emerge - the reappointment of Mr Hurst has definitely brought about an air of positivity across the board, and, and, for some of us, a reinvigorated sense of hope. Let's survive this season, and who knows, we may see the 2023/4 season as another where we can look up, instead of over our shoulders....
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 12:58:40 GMT 1
Always wanted Hurst back.no matter what happened.can organise teams and get them fitter,which is basically what you want in a football team.the attacking part will come,the more games are played,and tactics are understood......who did other posters want as manager.....can't think of many names out there tbh
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 26, 2024 13:15:32 GMT 1
Always wanted Hurst back.no matter what happened.can organise teams and get them fitter,which is basically what you want in a football team.the attacking part will come,the more games are played,and tactics are understood......who did other posters want as manager.....can't think of many names out there tbh Sometimes a manager just fits a club.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 13:18:47 GMT 1
Yes....Hurst and Shrewsbury are a good fit.. and long may it continue๐๐
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2024 15:20:45 GMT 1
Perhaps we have better "snake"-handlers.....lol.
Just to clarify, I was, and am not, one who thought of Mr Hurst as a snake at all!
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 26, 2024 15:46:15 GMT 1
Perhaps we have better "snake"-handlers.....lol. Just to clarify, I was, and am not, one who thought of Mr Hurst as a snake at all! He's had a fair amount of venom sent his way, now it's time for Hursty to provide the antidote.
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