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Post by martinshrew on Feb 14, 2024 13:30:59 GMT 1
Seeing as the Barnsley thread has gone off track with discussions of Moore, we can use this poll rate his performance out of 10 so far.
He's been in the role 6+ months and has now operated in 2x transfer windows.
10/10 - Highest 0/10 - Lowest
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 14, 2024 13:36:26 GMT 1
I voted four.
In his defence he’s obviously working under financial constraints, under Roland can never be easy, and with some competent management we’d easily be lower mid table.
But he signed the players, and he appointed Taylor, so it’s impossible overall to be anything other than highly critical of the job done to date.
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 14, 2024 14:32:09 GMT 1
Interestingly to me is that where an experienced manager comes in, he immediately builds his team around players that were here last season and Moore signings such Anderson, Mata and Kenneh are nowhere near the starting XI or even the squad in some cases Whilst I appreciate the restraints of the budget, that still suggests that we have filled the squad with journey men that at best, are lower L2 standard . Maybe I am biased because I have thought all season that none of them would get into my team. Cheltenham don’t appear to be missing him either. 4 from me.
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Post by jamo on Feb 14, 2024 14:34:42 GMT 1
There could not possibly be any sane reason why anyone would vote for anything 5 or above. The ‘experiment’ has failed miserably thus far.
And I suspect that once Hurst gets to grips with things close season it will quietly be disposed of. Here’s hoping.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Feb 14, 2024 14:36:27 GMT 1
I gave him 3 out of 10. I would echo the above comments by Feedo in his defence but his most important jobs were selecting a manager in the summer and getting some affordable decent players in. He palpably failed in the first one and also managed to bring in some mates onto the coaching staff who had not coached at this level before. As for the transfers, Feeney and Benning have been pretty decent, Kenneh and Perry have had their moments but do not seem to be rated by Hurst, and Sobowale and Idowu both show promise but are still very much learning their trade at this level. Arguably his most important signing was Mata and we all know how that has gone. It is still not obvious to me whether Moore had any say in dictating a playing style for the start of the season but he certainly will not have any with Hurst (who has had much greater success at football management than Moore) brought in. With such an experienced man as Hurst at the helm I am not sure we need a DOF because of the two I know whose judgement in the transfer market I would rather trust.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 14:50:44 GMT 1
2/10
I think his performance has been worryingly bad but this post has been edited twice to remove that bit so I am no longer sure what I am allowed to say. Not him as a person, obviously, I've never met him. But a woefully poor choice of head coach, which any Walsall fan would warn you of, and awful two transfer windows. Only two good signings and one was an accident. Slippery shoulders about who was driving the recruitment and formations. I can see where the next cost saving comes from and it shouldn't be the playing budget.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 14, 2024 15:29:12 GMT 1
As a supporter you are looking in from the outside and dont really know what goes on behind closed doors. With that in mind I would say that we now have a manager who has proved during his last spell with us that he can identify good players to get into the club and shouldnt just be head coach. We now have a young enthusiastic CEO who knows how to communicate with supporters and I expect and look forward to big things from him next season. We have a long standing hard working Secretary. Do we really need anyone else taking a big salary out of the club. Maybe we do and as just a supporter I am looking at it very simply. Over the many years I have supported the club and football in general I am just amazed at how complicated the game has become with so many different staff positions. I remember when we played Liverpool at home in the FA Cup. They needed three coaches to carry not only players but all the other senior staff which included Doctors, Physios, Coaching staff, Diet advisors, Computer experts, Chefs, Players social workers, Directors etc. I remember one day as a young lad waving the town players off to an away game from the Gay Meadow on their Vaggs bus wondering if the old girl would make it as far as Port Vale with 11 players, a couple of reserves, the manager and trainer/physio. Oh yes and they two footballs with them as well to warm up with. Miserable old git, News at ten, Shrewsbury.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 14, 2024 15:53:59 GMT 1
Sorry should also have mentioned that the two footballs were well worn and in a small net with a puncture outfit. Sorry.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 14, 2024 16:03:32 GMT 1
It's all coming back to me now. The trainer was a Mr Rimmer and he had a big butty box containing enough egg sandwiches for all the lads on the return journey.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 14, 2024 16:08:18 GMT 1
As a supporter you are looking in from the outside and dont really know what goes on behind closed doors. With that in mind I would say that we now have a manager who has proved during his last spell with us that he can identify good players to get into the club and shouldnt just be head coach. We now have a young enthusiastic CEO who knows how to communicate with supporters and I expect and look forward to big things from him next season. We have a long standing hard working Secretary. Do we really need anyone else taking a big salary out of the club. Maybe we do and as just a supporter I am looking at it very simply. Over the many years I have supported the club and football in general I am just amazed at how complicated the game has become with so many different staff positions. I remember when we played Liverpool at home in the FA Cup. They needed three coaches to carry not only players but all the other senior staff which included Doctors, Physios, Coaching staff, Diet advisors, Computer experts, Chefs, Players social workers, Directors etc. I remember one day as a young lad waving the town players off to an away game from the Gay Meadow on their Vaggs bus wondering if the old girl would make it as far as Port Vale with 11 players, a couple of reserves, the manager and trainer/physio. Oh yes and they two footballs with them as well to warm up with. Miserable old git, News at ten, Shrewsbury. That will be the VAGs executive coach. I went up to Aberdeen in 1968 on a much older VAGs coach. www.flickr.com/photos/58867145@N07/26789067504/in/album-72157625925210150Back on topic OPs spot on, what we actually need is a Mid Term report from Mickey perhaps scoring each recruit out of 10. Not too much to ask for a statement at the end of each transfer windows. Oh he did bring in Hurst allegedly.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 14, 2024 16:14:14 GMT 1
As all the players, balls and sandwiches were loaded onto the bus you could see it getting lower and lower on the chassis. I thought to myself , those sandwiches are going to have to come off or it will never leave the car park. If I think of anything else I will keep it to myself. Sorry to go off thread. Back to MM.
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Post by kl8-2 on Feb 14, 2024 16:18:22 GMT 1
I have voted for kit C.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Feb 14, 2024 16:32:09 GMT 1
Was curious to see whether you'd give Moore a 4 or a 0.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 14, 2024 17:24:50 GMT 1
See that Moore's been on and voted for himself! Who else would give him 10/10🙄
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 14, 2024 17:52:12 GMT 1
Below are the word of Moore explaining the role of the DoF. "Predominantly it is football decisions, whether that is the recruitment of players or the recruitment of a new head coach or the academy. "There are three real departments that you are overseeing and in control of. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2023/06/12/shrewsburys-micky-moore-director-of-football-role-can-be-misunderstood/I think even the most optimistic person would struggle to say that Moore has performed well in terms of recruiting players or bringing in Taylor & Bignot. On the academy side, it's difficult to say as obviously that will not be known for years to come, unless anyone has any inside knowledge of that. In his defence he is going to be working under financial constraints and walked into a club in crisis last May, however he did know all of that when he joined. I said on the Barnsley thread with how much has been wasted on the recruitment this season, I suspect Roland will be questioning whether it's the right approach, add in the fact that we've got Hurst now, I would imagine Roland's brainwave of 2023 will be consigned to history in the not too distant future.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 14, 2024 18:04:38 GMT 1
See that Moore's been on and voted for himself! Who else would give him 10/10🙄 I could think of someone.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 18:05:12 GMT 1
2/10 Not him as a person, obviously, I've never met him. But a woefully poor choice of head coach, which any Walsall fan would warn you of, and awful two transfer windows. Only two good signings and one was an accident. Slippery shoulders about who was driving the recruitment and formations. I can see where the next cost saving comes from and it shouldn't be the playing budget. next season he really should be judged, when we start with a massive % of the budget available, saying that this season, he quickly signed hearns to prevent him walking off for next to nothing , Benning is getting better by the game, could be quite an asset, Sraha I think will also be a great player, Feeney, not been great but who is using hindsight here ? lets go back to the day we signed him, everyone was over the moon, blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/105912/salop-signing-time-morgan-feeney , Winchester coming back as our player was a great signing , Leahy didn't want to play and we quickly got some cash for him, We brought Pierre back, hindsight again but the other way around, some thought it was a joke signing at the time, Kenneh & Perry, maybe its just me but I think they are out of their depth, others think they are amazing, Mata, I did say at the time he looks like another Kris Bright, this kid from Brighton was a decent capture, Matty Taylor, I guess all we could afford at the time, and didn't work, we did try to get hurst but was priced out, as for the loans, they have been a disaster but hardly anyone fault when they get crocked, Anderson simply no good for me, there was another kid from Ireland who quietly left without playing, we loaned out bloxham as a squad player and brought him back as a starter overall I dont think its been too bad considering most of the budget had already been blown for this season when he arrived, like I said, the summer window is big, as for voting, why isn't there an option for 6.8 ? ( joke )
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 18:06:21 GMT 1
See that Moore's been on and voted for himself! Who else would give him 10/10🙄 I could think of someone. be brave and say what you are thinking
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Post by jamo on Feb 14, 2024 18:10:06 GMT 1
See that Moore's been on and voted for himself! Who else would give him 10/10🙄 . It is a mystery isn’t it?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 18:19:36 GMT 1
See that Moore's been on and voted for himself! Who else would give him 10/10🙄 . It is a mystery isn’t it? this is what's wrong with this site, we finally have a poll thats seemingly fair and square, simple question, all options. and yet 2 or 3 have started a witch hunt because someone dared to have a different opinion I can help, at the moment there have been 24 voters, here are the 24 voters, maybe we could interrogate them one by one and find out which 2 dared to vote against the clan ackeyshrew barrynic belfastshrew bexplorer darkshrew essofsteel Exkeeper Feedo Gnasher gainsparkshrew GlosShrew harboroughshrew hectord0g137 kl8-2 leonidrogozov martinshrew pensh ProudSalopian suttonshrew tarporleyblue ThrobsBlackHat Van Der Graaff vladimir wollastonshrew wookeywombat
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 18:41:56 GMT 1
2/10 Not him as a person, obviously, I've never met him. But a woefully poor choice of head coach, which any Walsall fan would warn you of, and awful two transfer windows. Only two good signings and one was an accident. Slippery shoulders about who was driving the recruitment and formations. I can see where the next cost saving comes from and it shouldn't be the playing budget. next season he really should be judged, when we start with a massive % of the budget available, saying that this season, he quickly signed hearns to prevent him walking off for next to nothing , Benning is getting better by the game, could be quite an asset, Sraha I think will also be a great player, Feeney, not been great but who is using hindsight here ? lets go back to the day we signed him, everyone was over the moon, blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/105912/salop-signing-time-morgan-feeney , Winchester coming back as our player was a great signing , Leahy didn't want to play and we quickly got some cash for him, We brought Pierre back, hindsight again but the other way around, some thought it was a joke signing at the time, Kenneh & Perry, maybe its just me but I think they are out of their depth, others think they are amazing, Mata, I did say at the time he looks like another Kris Bright, this kid from Brighton was a decent capture, Matty Taylor, I guess all we could afford at the time, and didn't work, we did try to get hurst but was priced out, as for the loans, they have been a disaster but hardly anyone fault when they get crocked, Anderson simply no good for me, there was another kid from Ireland who quietly left without playing, we loaned out bloxham as a squad player and brought him back as a starter overall I dont think its been too bad considering most of the budget had already been blown for this season when he arrived, like I said, the summer window is big, as for voting, why isn't there an option for 6.8 ? ( joke )
You are not replying to my full message there Pilch because it has twice been edited.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 18:59:17 GMT 1
next season he really should be judged, when we start with a massive % of the budget available, saying that this season, he quickly signed hearns to prevent him walking off for next to nothing , Benning is getting better by the game, could be quite an asset, Sraha I think will also be a great player, Feeney, not been great but who is using hindsight here ? lets go back to the day we signed him, everyone was over the moon, blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/105912/salop-signing-time-morgan-feeney , Winchester coming back as our player was a great signing , Leahy didn't want to play and we quickly got some cash for him, We brought Pierre back, hindsight again but the other way around, some thought it was a joke signing at the time, Kenneh & Perry, maybe its just me but I think they are out of their depth, others think they are amazing, Mata, I did say at the time he looks like another Kris Bright, this kid from Brighton was a decent capture, Matty Taylor, I guess all we could afford at the time, and didn't work, we did try to get hurst but was priced out, as for the loans, they have been a disaster but hardly anyone fault when they get crocked, Anderson simply no good for me, there was another kid from Ireland who quietly left without playing, we loaned out bloxham as a squad player and brought him back as a starter overall I dont think its been too bad considering most of the budget had already been blown for this season when he arrived, like I said, the summer window is big, as for voting, why isn't there an option for 6.8 ? ( joke )
You are not replying to my full message there Pilch because it has twice been edited.
ok, wasnt sure what you were on about but just been brought up to speed, a couple of mods agreed that your choice of word to describe MM just wasnt suitable and was edited, as for me I've only replied to what is in the quote above my post, I didn't see whatever you previously wrote
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 19:00:56 GMT 1
What rule did I break?
I didn't describe him. I described his performance. Which is the answer to the question posed.
"Rate his performance?"
It's literally the question.
I stand by that and I can't see why it's a drama to say so.
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 14, 2024 19:12:32 GMT 1
It’s hard to suggest anything more than a 3 or 4 isn’t it
My gut instinct and judgement on what I’ve seen so far tells me he is out of his depth
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 14, 2024 19:22:48 GMT 1
Very hard to judge. Who knows how the season would have turned out if the loan players had stayed fit or the gamble on the Irish players played off. Who knows how good the team could have been over the season had the fitness coach done his job properly instead of being petrified of injuring a player.
He brought MT in who was a gamble but we had a budget to stick to. He was restricted with the contracts the existing players were on. He also sacked MT at a good time imo.
For me I will withhold judgement until the summer.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 14, 2024 19:30:43 GMT 1
Far too early to tell yet.
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Post by jamo on Feb 14, 2024 19:45:33 GMT 1
What rule did I break? I didn't describe him. I described his performance. Which is the answer to the question posed. "Rate his performance?" It's literally the question. I stand by that and I can't see why it's a drama to say so. I saw the original. It said; 2/10 Total t*** Which is a perfectly fair response to the question posed. It is palpable nonsense to suggest that it was reflection of the man personally, it wasn’t. It was a view on his performance thus far. If 2 Moderators thought that worthy of censure then the rules of this site need to be reviewed and made clear to all, or they should relinquish their position. But of course it wasn’t 2 moderators, it was the club using their influence
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 19:50:29 GMT 1
The problem with filtering that word is that it makes it look like a far more offensive 4 letter word beginning with T.
Which I certainly didn't and wouldn't use.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 19:51:04 GMT 1
What rule did I break? I didn't describe him. I described his performance. Which is the answer to the question posed. "Rate his performance?" It's literally the question. I stand by that and I can't see why it's a drama to say so. I saw the original. It said; 2/10 Total t*** Which is a perfectly fair response to the question posed. It is palpable nonsense to suggest that it was reflection of the man personally, it wasn’t. It was a view on his performance thus far. If 2 Moderators thought that worthy of censure then the rules of this site need to be reviewed and made clear to all, or they should relinquish their position. But of course it wasn’t 2 moderators, it was the club using their influence im locking this thread Jamo, fed up of your conspiracies and childish accusations, first you announce how people should vote, and then you start a witch hunt after 2 people dont, as good as pointing fingers in the wrong direction, and now you think the club have clicked their fingers and we acted, you are in cloud cuckoo land pal it was funny when I spotted one of the voters remove his 10/10 vote and vanish from the list of 24 voters I listed, I wont name him though polls stopped for the time being too
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