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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 9, 2024 21:51:49 GMT 1
What’s everyone’s views on this proposal? While I applaud the desire to eradicate these from the game, I’m not sure this will work sadly.
i can see the team that loses a player to the sin bin, delaying the game during the 10 mins to minimise the loss of their player, through time wasting. Also, will time lost to VAR, injuries etc be included in the 10 mins? To be effective it really requires the clock stopped for these type of stoppages, which is another proposal and a whole new argument in its own right.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 9, 2024 22:00:13 GMT 1
heard this on the radio this morning, I would love it, anything to add controversy to the game brings a smile to my face
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Post by belfastshrew on Feb 9, 2024 23:58:02 GMT 1
If the blue card also counts as a yellow...as in two blues/yellows and its a red. Then i'm for it. Otherwise...a yellow is a better deterrent for dissent and tactical fouls as it carries over matches and remains for the duration of the current match.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 10, 2024 0:16:23 GMT 1
Why do they have to keep messing about with a simple game?
Is it because Refs ain't what they used to be?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 10, 2024 0:59:19 GMT 1
Why do they have to keep messi9ng about with a simple game? Is it because Refs ain't what they used to be? Was going to post something similar earlier. I was going to post "why **** about even more with the game"
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 10, 2024 8:16:46 GMT 1
Why do they have to keep messing about with a simple game? Is it because Refs ain't what they used to be? Maybe it’s the players aren’t what they used to be, with more dissent etc? I guess the idea is that 10 mins in the sin bin is more of a deterrent that a yellow card, but I doubt it. As I said in my initial post, the team down to 10 men will just time waste and be negative until their player comes back.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 10, 2024 8:26:06 GMT 1
Why do they have to keep messing about with a simple game? Is it because Refs ain't what they used to be? exactly Collina didn't need a blue card, the 2 he had and his authority were enough
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 10, 2024 9:32:12 GMT 1
It’s true that players and managers aren’t what they used to be at all. Money and the Premier League have seen to that once and for all.
Football isn’t at all what it used to be and there are so many reasons for this. Every day I fall more and more out of love with the game.
Referees are weak and don’t start me on VAR.
Discipline is appalling but then look at standards in society as a whole.
Why are we surprised?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 10, 2024 9:40:45 GMT 1
Interesting listening to talk sport, it’s been trialed for a few years in lower leagues but only for decent as a way of controlling ‘Sunday’ and amateur footballers. Never been used for tactical fouls. Can see it working with decent but not fouls. Either carry on as now with tactical fouls or red card the most serious ones. If you were doing it for tactical fouls you’d need to include dives.
Red and yellow cards were only introduced in 1971 btw….
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 10, 2024 9:42:07 GMT 1
Just reading views from the Spurs manager, he's against it and said that when it comes to players being temporarily down to ten men, all will happen is the teams will waste time and sit back during that period.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 10, 2024 9:52:25 GMT 1
Just reading views from the Spurs manager, he's against it and said that when it comes to players being temporarily down to ten men, all will happen is the teams will waste time and sit back during that period. Waste time = more yellow cards, sit back the team with 11 will press harder… pretty well all managers are against it make it just for dissent and players will soon stop especially if clubs include a £500 fine for any players blue carded.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 10, 2024 10:12:38 GMT 1
Why do they have to keep messing about with a simple game? Is it because Refs ain't what they used to be? Maybe it’s the players aren’t what they used to be, with more dissent etc? I guess the idea is that 10 mins in the sin bin is more of a deterrent that a yellow card, but I doubt it. As I said in my initial post, the team down to 10 men will just time waste and be negative until their player comes back. I remember driving a group at the youth club to a Pool competition, one of the guys said "I promise I won't swear tonight", we all laughed. When he swore, the Pool referee, a tall austere man asked very mildly for moderation in the language. The guy said "Sorry Sir" and didn't swear again. That's the sort of authority our refs need.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 10, 2024 10:20:14 GMT 1
Destroying the beautiful game, one rule change at a time.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:14:15 GMT 1
Apparently my mate Kloppo and the Tottenham manager have said blue cards will destroy the game. No chums you’ve already done that by being in the Premier League, whinging, complaining, and not treating the oldest cup competition with respect.
Two examples of everything that is wrong they just won’t see it.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:15:08 GMT 1
Maybe it’s the players aren’t what they used to be, with more dissent etc? I guess the idea is that 10 mins in the sin bin is more of a deterrent that a yellow card, but I doubt it. As I said in my initial post, the team down to 10 men will just time waste and be negative until their player comes back. I remember driving a group at the youth club to a Pool competition, one of the guys said "I promise I won't swear tonight", we all laughed. When he swore, the Pool referee, a tall austere man asked very mildly for moderation in the language. The guy said "Sorry Sir" and didn't swear again. That's the sort of authority our refs need. Trouble is that footballers just don’t have this respect for the referee. Starts with managers and goes down the line.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:23:21 GMT 1
How about this solution. Ref says to player “one more word from you and you’re in the book”! I was a ref almost 40 years ago on Hackney Marshes in London and I would say to both sets of players before a game “you can call me every name under the Sun, but if any of you calls me a c@*t then you’re off!” It seemed to work as I only sent off 2 players as a ref! My usual response to dissent was “shut up and play on!” We don’t need blue cards for dissent, we need stronger refs with nads!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:23:24 GMT 1
Interesting listening to talk sport, it’s been trialed for a few years in lower leagues but only for decent as a way of controlling ‘Sunday’ and amateur footballers. Never been used for tactical fouls. Can see it working with decent but not fouls. Either carry on as now with tactical fouls or red card the most serious ones. If you were doing it for tactical fouls you’d need to include dives. Red and yellow cards were only introduced in 1971 btw…. Read a thing about it recently. Think it was the idea of British ref Ken Aston and was brought upon due to the England Argentina game in the 1966 World Cup where possibly due to the language barrier Rattin didn't understand he had been sent off. Think I'm also right in saying that the card system was suspended for a few years in the early 80s before being brought back. Going from memory so might not be 100% correct.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:25:05 GMT 1
Apparently my mate Kloppo and the Tottenham manager have said blue cards will destroy the game. No chums you’ve already done that by being in the Premier League, whinging, complaining, and not treating the oldest cup competition with respect. Two examples of everything that is wrong they just won’t see it. Totally correct. The game was destroyed very rapidly from 1992 and seems to get progressively worse every year.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 10, 2024 11:26:24 GMT 1
Indeed it was and does.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 10, 2024 11:52:04 GMT 1
Whilst I tend to agree with the sentiment, I don't think it wise to conflate entirely separate issues.
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 10, 2024 12:03:22 GMT 1
As a kid a few of us would go down the Quarry and put some coats down as goal posts before having a kick about. Then we would go down the Gay Meadow and watch the town. Not much difference except that the Meadow had proper goal posts and a referee who had a whistle and a note book in his black uniform. I could list the changes in the game since then but I would get depressed. I would love to be able to sit down with someone like Sir Stanley Mathews to try and explain the game as it is today and get his thoughts.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 10, 2024 12:06:14 GMT 1
How about this solution. Ref says to player “one more word from you and you’re in the book”! I was a ref almost 40 years ago on Hackney Marshes in London and I would say to both sets of players before a game “you can call me every name under the Sun, but if any of you calls me a c@*t then you’re off!” It seemed to work as I only sent off 2 players as a ref! My usual response to dissent was “shut up and play on!” We don’t need blue cards for dissent, we need stronger refs with nads! Exactly. Though I'm sure the lady refs can exert their authority too.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Feb 10, 2024 12:35:10 GMT 1
To me it is a kop out; they need to deal with the root cause instead of adding even more complexity to what used to be a simple game!
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 10, 2024 14:06:56 GMT 1
They're got rid of it already in our Sunday league, so I can't see it happening.
I can't get my head around any genuine fan of football thinking this is a good idea.
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Post by kenwood on Feb 12, 2024 5:34:25 GMT 1
Wonderful . Once a player gets shown a blue card we can all enjoy listening to the pundits argue whether it should have been a yellow or even a red . What with clubs laughing at the financial rules , VAR and now Blue Cards what on earth is the game turning into. It used to be so simple . I thought the game had lost it when assistant referees or whatever they are called now wait until a move has ended before flagging for off side . Bloody ridiculous in my view . What next , do away with offside altogether . I despair.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Feb 12, 2024 7:33:57 GMT 1
Unnecessary, how much extra in stoppages will that add to a game ?
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