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Post by shrewshrew on Feb 2, 2024 19:14:58 GMT 1
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Post by FloreatShrew on Feb 2, 2024 19:18:40 GMT 1
Railway halt planned for the Meadow mind
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 2, 2024 19:26:47 GMT 1
I've found myself going through from the station to the Welsh bridge having been diverted towards Whitchurch when I tried to enter the Telford end of the bypass and it being coned off because of an overnight road closure. How would I be expected to get through to Wales if they closed the town centre roads when they do an A5 overnight road closure?
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Post by mattmw on Feb 2, 2024 20:17:18 GMT 1
Just to put a bit of extra context on the consultation is actually led by the Big Town Plan group, not just Shropshire Council and includes the Town Council, Shrewsbury BID and support from a transport consultant. It builds on the Shrewsbury Big Town Plan which was launched a few years ago and looks to set out a vision for Shrewsbury over the next ten years.
In the Big Town Plan consultation there was general support (although not universal) for reducing traffic going through the town centre, and this strategy sets out ways in which that could be done. It is very much a consultation though and is not set in stone. Alongside reducing traffic there would also be significant enhancement of the bus services and park and ride sites, as well as much better cycle/pedestrian routes going into the town centre. Its also in the context of a significantly different riverside and Smithfield area.
In my time working on planning in Shrewsbury the issue of traffic going into the town centre has been an ongoing debate, and there are certainly a lot of different opinions on whether it should be introduced. This is really the first detailed plan that outlines how that might work, but be assured its not all set in stone, and we'd really encourage as many people as possible to give their views on the proposals as possible
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Post by southshropblue on Feb 2, 2024 20:34:57 GMT 1
my problem with this consultation is that like so many of these it is done to get a certain result it is not an open consultation genuinely wanting to learn from people in the community
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Post by mattmw on Feb 2, 2024 20:50:22 GMT 1
my problem with this consultation is that like so many of these it is done to get a certain result it is not an open consultation genuinely wanting to learn from people in the community What sort of comments would you like to make that you don't think are part of the consultation? This work does build on 5 years of consultations in the Big Town Plan which a lot of people part in, so is based on a pretty strong background of community consultation. But its really important people have their say and if they want to add futher comments not available on the online form please write in and let us know or drop into the St Mary's site and speak to a staff member there. We are genuine in wanting lots of views to come in and for people to have their say
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 2, 2024 21:04:42 GMT 1
It's a superb plan that will make the town centre a far better place to live,work,shop and relax in.
We all want to live in a greener community but to achieve this we must make sacrifices.Trouble is there are people who are broadly in favour until it inconveniences them.
Traffic in the town centre has got worse over the years but we can all see the benefits the weekend town centre closures have given.
The only part that I question is the proposal centres around smaller and more frequent busses from the P&Rs and through the town. Will be interested to see who will provide the vehicles because we cannot rely on Arriva to do anything
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 2, 2024 21:32:46 GMT 1
Nothing worse than being in town and having bumper to bumper traffic along the roads at both the top and bottom of Pride Hill, and don’t even get me started on the loud polluting old buses that are used.
The traffic in Town is one of the biggest blights on the place, along with the boarded up shops and antisocial behaviour. Tackle all three and Shrewsbury will be beautiful again.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 2, 2024 23:05:08 GMT 1
I am sure that,after some further study of this consultation document, I shall find there are some useful suggestions, but, as my eyes just happened to notice a reference to Dogpole catering for two buses, whether or not travelling in the same direction, does not inspire me with confidence....
So far as the section on "Rail" is concerned, I didn't see any reference to Network Rail, whose input would be essential regarding the proposed Howard Street access; aside from anything else, the station would almost certainly require extensive remodeling - difficult at best, and for a Grade II listed building, nigh impossible.
I shall carry out my own "consultation" and pop into town for a closer look at these suggestions.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2024 0:47:54 GMT 1
I am sure that,after some further study of this consultation document, I shall find there are some useful suggestions, but, as my eyes just happened to notice a reference to Dogpole catering for two buses, whether or not travelling in the same direction, does not inspire me with confidence.... So far as the section on "Rail" is concerned, I didn't see any reference to Network Rail, whose input would be essential regarding the proposed Howard Street access; aside from anything else, the station would almost certainly require extensive remodeling - difficult at best, and for a Grade II listed building, nigh impossible. I shall carry out my own "consultation" and pop into town for a closer look at these suggestions. It wouldn't take a lot of work to go under the track from Howard street into the current subway
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 3, 2024 10:15:55 GMT 1
I think some of this stuff works on daytime hours like the Cambridge schemes where bollards come up at a certain time then that makes sense.
I can't see how a taxi system can function if they have to go around the inner ring road every time there's a next pick up.
Getting from Castlefields to Belle Vue would take 15 minutes not 5 in the evening, which is clearly more polluting, just somewhere else.
I don't think the Heath gates roundabout and others could handle the increase in pressure.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 3, 2024 12:38:08 GMT 1
I think some of this stuff works on daytime hours like the Cambridge schemes where bollards come up at a certain time then that makes sense. I can't see how a taxi system can function if they have to go around the inner ring road every time there's a next pick up. Getting from Castlefields to Belle Vue would take 15 minutes not 5 in the evening, which is clearly more polluting, just somewhere else. I don't think the Heath gates roundabout and others could handle the increase in pressure. With the zoning of the town and potential "barriers" these will be quite flexible in terms of users. Rather than be physical constraints there are more likely as you say to be temporary bollards, or more likely via ANPR or tracking technology. So some registered vehicles - like taxis - can enter an area during a given time, but if others do there is a charge. Technology around this is getting cheaper all the time, and is likely to be something a lot of town centres use in the future. There is a whole other debate about ANPR cameras to be had as well though! You are right about the junctions on the inner ring road though. Heathgates is already an issue and assessments and redesigns are being looked at there and other significant junctions on the outer ring road that will need to be looked at along with National Highways that maintain these roads. Its a long term 10 year plan and the key will be making the changes in the right order so there is more "carrot" to encourage people to change their journeys, so there is less "stick" to discourage them through parking fees
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