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Post by gobowenshrew on Jan 21, 2024 0:34:30 GMT 1
It's 7 defeats in 8 for a start.
3 wins and 7 defeats from last 10 (30% win rate, 0.9 PPG)
However you dress it up, it's relegation form.
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Jan 21, 2024 8:55:06 GMT 1
Post by southshropblue on Jan 21, 2024 8:55:06 GMT 1
I think losing 6 games out of 7 is down to more than just bad luck tbh we often say the table does not lie and we are at the moment where we deserve to be and making stats like 6 defeats out of 7 why just 7 ? its because we won the 8th game, drew thew 9th game, won the 10th game only negative stats are allowed ;-) Okay I take your point lets just say we are where we deserve to be the stats do not lie and the table does not either we are in danger of relegation
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Jan 21, 2024 11:33:35 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 11:33:35 GMT 1
and making stats like 6 defeats out of 7 why just 7 ? its because we won the 8th game, drew thew 9th game, won the 10th game only negative stats are allowed ;-) Okay I take your point lets just say we are where we deserve to be the stats do not lie and the table does not either we are in danger of relegation im guilty myself, I tried many times to highlight 4 points in 10 games is relegation for in any league in the world ever, enough to get many managers sacked, enough to cause all sorts of unrest with fans. ( I wasnt asking for changes though, just saying it was s**t ) I kept being told to look at the league table as thats the most important thing, in fact the only important thing
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Post by mattmw on Jan 21, 2024 13:05:10 GMT 1
I always tend to think managers are at serious risk of the sack if they loose 5 in a row or go 10 games without a win, so tend to view results in that context.
Looking back at previous 10 league results of Town managers who lost their job mid season the run of results were
Peters W1 D3 L6 (but had no win in 8) Turner W2 D1 L7 Mellon W3 D2 L5 (technically left to join Tranmere rather than sacked) Askey W4 D2 L4 (although the sack came after an FA Cup Game v Salford and we also had a long winless run at the start of the season) Ricketts W1 D4 L5
So based on our current run we're in similar sort of form that previous managers have been shown the door, and not winning one of the next two games would be in similar circumstances to when Turner and Rickets went. Which I why I tend to think Northampton and Cambridge will be really key to Taylors future
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 21, 2024 13:16:02 GMT 1
Surely it’s relevant that we’re so short on funds the owner and director are subsidising the club on a monthly basis and were already paying two managers till the end of this season. Do we want to make it a third with no guarantee of an improvement? I can see difficult choices for RW and Co regarding strengthening the squad or changing the manager, again!
With the previous managers especially Peters, Mellon and Askey there was also talk of unrest in the squad and not playing for the manager, doesn’t seem to be the case now.
Having said that if we lost to Cambridge can’t see any more points in Feb and using all the data available we’d end up on 44 points (47 if we beat Cambridge) 🤔
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Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 13:20:29 GMT 1
I always tend to think managers are at serious risk of the sack if they loose 5 in a row or go 10 games without a win, so tend to view results in that context. Looking back at previous 10 league results of Town managers who lost their job mid season the run of results were Peters W1 D3 L6 (but had no win in 8) Turner W2 D1 L7 Mellon W3 D2 L5 (technically left to join Tranmere rather than sacked) Askey W4 D2 L4 (although the sack came after an FA Cup Game v Salford and we also had a long winless run at the start of the season) Ricketts W1 D4 L5 So based on our current run we're in similar sort of form that previous managers have been shown the door, and not winning one of the next two games would be in similar circumstances to when Turner and Rickets went. Which I why I tend to think Northampton and Cambridge will be really key to Taylors future you missed the one with the worst record Cotterill W1 D1 L8
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Jan 21, 2024 13:41:32 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 21, 2024 13:41:32 GMT 1
Yep......ever since he narrowed the pitch.... we've been ****ing awful!!!👍🤷🤷🤦😉😉
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Jan 21, 2024 13:51:55 GMT 1
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Post by akpaakpost on Jan 21, 2024 13:51:55 GMT 1
I always tend to think managers are at serious risk of the sack if they loose 5 in a row or go 10 games without a win, so tend to view results in that context. Looking back at previous 10 league results of Town managers who lost their job mid season the run of results were Peters W1 D3 L6 (but had no win in 8) Turner W2 D1 L7 Mellon W3 D2 L5 (technically left to join Tranmere rather than sacked) Askey W4 D2 L4 (although the sack came after an FA Cup Game v Salford and we also had a long winless run at the start of the season) Ricketts W1 D4 L5 So based on our current run we're in similar sort of form that previous managers have been shown the door, and not winning one of the next two games would be in similar circumstances to when Turner and Rickets went. Which I why I tend to think Northampton and Cambridge will be really key to Taylors future you missed the one with the worst record Cotterill W1 D1 L8 If we’re languishing in league two in 5 years time will you still manage to make a dig at cotterill? I’m not saying all of your points are wrong but you do love finding a way to turn into a dig against him.
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Jan 21, 2024 14:03:04 GMT 1
Post by mattmw on Jan 21, 2024 14:03:04 GMT 1
I always tend to think managers are at serious risk of the sack if they loose 5 in a row or go 10 games without a win, so tend to view results in that context. Looking back at previous 10 league results of Town managers who lost their job mid season the run of results were Peters W1 D3 L6 (but had no win in 8) Turner W2 D1 L7 Mellon W3 D2 L5 (technically left to join Tranmere rather than sacked) Askey W4 D2 L4 (although the sack came after an FA Cup Game v Salford and we also had a long winless run at the start of the season) Ricketts W1 D4 L5 So based on our current run we're in similar sort of form that previous managers have been shown the door, and not winning one of the next two games would be in similar circumstances to when Turner and Rickets went. Which I why I tend to think Northampton and Cambridge will be really key to Taylors future you missed the one with the worst record Cotterill W1 D1 L8 Yes these managers were sacked mid season where as Cotterill went at the end of that run and season. Similarly Ratcliffe went on a run of 13 games without a win and lost 8 in a row at the end of the 02/03 relegation season and obviously went at the end of that season. I might have this wrong but from what I can see of the last 30 years only Jake King survived losing 5 league games in a row mid season without getting the push, but that was in the middle of the financial crisis the club had at the time.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Jan 21, 2024 14:27:07 GMT 1
This is becoming a terrible Catch 22 situation to be in! We can’t fire the coach because we are struggling financially and we would have to payoff his contract! Then again, we can’t continue playing the awful long ball rubbish we are now or attendances will fall and so will revenue! We need someone to sit down with MT and get him to change his approach to playing because we need more spectators in the ground to increase revenue! Either that or we encourage him to resign!
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Jan 21, 2024 14:34:49 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 14:34:49 GMT 1
you missed the one with the worst record Cotterill W1 D1 L8 Yes these managers were sacked mid season where as Cotterill went at the end of that run and season. Similarly Ratcliffe went on a run of 13 games without a win and lost 8 in a row at the end of the 02/03 relegation season and obviously went at the end of that season. I might have this wrong but from what I can see of the last 30 years only Jake King survived losing 5 league games in a row mid season without getting the push, but that was in the middle of the financial crisis the club had at the time. I didn't read the small print / disclaimer maybe had we booted him with 1 game left (it was probably already known he was going by then ) we could have included his W1 D1 L7
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Jan 21, 2024 14:40:31 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 21, 2024 14:40:31 GMT 1
We can’t fire the coach because we are struggling financially and we would have to payoff his contract! Apparently we can!!
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Jan 21, 2024 15:52:06 GMT 1
Post by mattmw on Jan 21, 2024 15:52:06 GMT 1
Yes these managers were sacked mid season where as Cotterill went at the end of that run and season. Similarly Ratcliffe went on a run of 13 games without a win and lost 8 in a row at the end of the 02/03 relegation season and obviously went at the end of that season. I might have this wrong but from what I can see of the last 30 years only Jake King survived losing 5 league games in a row mid season without getting the push, but that was in the middle of the financial crisis the club had at the time. I didn't read the small print / disclaimer maybe had we booted him with 1 game left (it was probably already known he was going by then ) we could have included his W1 D1 L7 Ha ha always read the small print. Glad I spent an hour looking at the old Rothmans books for the stats and totally ignored that Taylor had actually been sacked. Bloody waste of time that was!
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Jan 21, 2024 16:35:21 GMT 1
Post by kenwood on Jan 21, 2024 16:35:21 GMT 1
I didn't read the small print / disclaimer maybe had we booted him with 1 game left (it was probably already known he was going by then ) we could have included his W1 D1 L7 Ha ha always read the small print. Glad I spent an hour looking at the old Rothmans books for the stats and totally ignored that Taylor had actually been sacked. Bloody waste of time that was! Never mind owd lad, nothings a waste of time. It’s educational, that’s what it is and now you are fully armed to bore the tits off anyone who is even remotely interested in stats concerning Town managers losing streaks or suchlike. Next up in the history of Town , those two loveable rogues Hurst and Doig . What’s the stats on them preventing us from falling into League 2 .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 21, 2024 17:03:00 GMT 1
Good old TWOTS, never in doubt.
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Jan 21, 2024 17:06:47 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 17:06:47 GMT 1
Good old TWOTS, never in doubt. and the shrumour mill, 2 days earlier
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