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Jan 20, 2024 15:55:58 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 20, 2024 15:55:58 GMT 1
Do you think Taylor will go ,if we get battered today???....a very distinct possibility.....can't leave it to long...can we🤔🤔
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jan 20, 2024 16:11:53 GMT 1
Hurst didnt fail at Grimsby. He got them promoted out of a notoriously difficult division (again). Scunny were hurtling backwards long before Hurst joined them and thereafter. Ipswich too he barely got any sort of the backing out of their previously hated owner (now gone). Would have him back in a heartbeat. Out of all our managers I've witnessed including Cotterill I've never seen us so fit and drilled as we were under Hurst. The standards were excellent. Sorry,he didn't fail at Grimsby??...he got sacked a few months ago, that's failure. Lost his job at Scunny because he approached the Lincoln Chairman directly,hated rivals, about their managers vacancy at the time.Does that sound familiar?.The Lincoln Chairman told the Scunny chairman and it was bye bye Paul Admittedly all football managers get the sack,I just don't see him as the answer to our problems.
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Post by vladimir on Jan 20, 2024 16:14:25 GMT 1
Hurst didnt fail at Grimsby. He got them promoted out of a notoriously difficult division (again). Scunny were hurtling backwards long before Hurst joined them and thereafter. Ipswich too he barely got any sort of the backing out of their previously hated owner (now gone). Would have him back in a heartbeat. Out of all our managers I've witnessed including Cotterill I've never seen us so fit and drilled as we were under Hurst. The standards were excellent. Sorry,he didn't fail at Grimsby??...he got sacked a few months ago, that's failure. Lost his job at Scunny because he approached the Lincoln Chairman directly,hated rivals, about their managers vacancy at the time.Does that sound familiar?.The Lincoln Chairman told the Scunny chairman and it was bye bye Paul Admittedly all football managers get the sack,I just don't see him as the answer to our problems. Your metric of a failed manager is someone who is sacked? He was the answer last time and then some. For me it's an absolute yes.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 20, 2024 16:16:05 GMT 1
And for me a definite No.
If he’s the answer then the chairman has most definitely lost the plot. U
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 20, 2024 16:59:58 GMT 1
And for me a definite No. If he’s the answer then the chairman has most definitely lost the plot. U Except we may hear the truth rather than Mrs Caldwell's version... Stick with MT for me mind
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Jan 20, 2024 17:02:10 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 20, 2024 17:02:10 GMT 1
And for me a definite No. If he’s the answer then the chairman has most definitely lost the plot. U Except we may hear the truth rather than Mrs Caldwell's version... Stick with MT for me mind Glad someone else said it. Hurst's a fine bloke, why on earth would anyone believe Caldwell's bulls**t version of Hurst leaving after what's happened since? The clearing of the desk etc is nonsense. The only snake was Skitt who claimed to know absolutely nothing when he'd already agreed to go.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 20, 2024 17:06:50 GMT 1
To be honest I’m not bothered whether he cleared his desk or not. That’s the clubs problem.
But I do care that he never thanked our fans for our support during that season. Never even said goodbye and thanks.
I also wonder why he never denied any of the things that were said about him. Presumably because we weren’t important enough for him to care.
I do mind that people sat behind the dug outs on that dreadful Wembley day told me that he spent a lot of time joking with his pal from Rotherham. He knew that come what may he would be at a Championship club the next day.
And if someone could remind me what exactly he won with us that would be a help.
No he’s just not for me.
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Jan 20, 2024 17:14:34 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 17:14:34 GMT 1
Do you think Taylor will go ,if we get battered today???....a very distinct possibility.....can't leave it to long...can we🤔🤔 We could find out , posh have come out on fire 😫
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 20, 2024 17:22:09 GMT 1
I do mind that people sat behind the dug outs on that dreadful Wembley day told me that he spent a lot of time joking with his pal from Rotherham. He knew that come what may he would be at a Championship club the next day. And if someone could remind me what exactly he won with us that would be a help. No he’s just not for me. What's he meant to do, ignore his old teammate? He gave us the best season in 30+ years.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 20, 2024 17:35:51 GMT 1
Shaking hands at the beginning and end of a match is one thing. Loki g during it when he should have been concentrating on us is quite another. A fine bloke indeed.
I should add that this was all reported on the coach home before any of us knew what was going on.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 17:37:03 GMT 1
I do mind that people sat behind the dug outs on that dreadful Wembley day told me that he spent a lot of time joking with his pal from Rotherham. He knew that come what may he would be at a Championship club the next day. And if someone could remind me what exactly he won with us that would be a help. No he’s just not for me. What's he meant to do, ignore his old teammate? He gave us the best season in 30+ years. 100% he should ignore them during the game, plenty of time after the game for being pally again
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Post by mattmw on Jan 20, 2024 18:04:22 GMT 1
My concern at Hurst returning would be around him being the right person at the right time, which he was last time but I’m not at all sure he would be at this moment in time. He has failed everywhere he’s been since so why we would view him as any kind of saviour is slightly beyond me. John Eustace is still out of work and was doing good things at Birmingham City until he was unceremoniously dumped. Bit of a long shot as there may be bigger suitors but he may see us as an ideal opportunity to build on his growing reputation I'm led to belive that one of the key things Hurst implemented in the summer of 2017 was install a very detailed fitness programme for the team, which led to them hitting the ground running at the start of that season, and really allowed us to play the hard pressing game through much of the play-off season and we picked up a lot of late wins that season too. Taking over now I don't think Hurst - or anyone else for that matter - would have the time to get that fitness in the team to play that style of game and I think without that Hurst's tactics are a bit lacking and he's a bit of a one trick pony to that extent. Potentially he maybe able to get a few gems in on loan, but I'm unconvinced there would be much of a difference to what we see now. Plus with the way he left us and the tricky situation the club finds itself in I'd fear his return could be quite dividing and not helpful.
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Jan 20, 2024 18:06:32 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 20, 2024 18:06:32 GMT 1
I think Hurst would be more of a view to next season if anything. Try and hit the ground running so to speak.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 20, 2024 18:09:26 GMT 1
Yep.....one thing he would do, is get them fitter.....cos I still think we're crumbling after 70 mins..... especially if we go behind,we haven't got the stamina to get back into it......as proved today.....I just don't know the answer🤷🤷🤷
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Post by camdenshrew on Jan 20, 2024 18:15:13 GMT 1
I don't think it's because we're necessarily unfit. I think the issue is we spend most of our time chasing the ball because the opposition nearly always dominate possession.
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Jan 20, 2024 18:19:06 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 20, 2024 18:19:06 GMT 1
I don't think it's because we're necessarily unfit. I think the issue is we spend most of our time chasing the ball because the opposition nearly always dominate possession. Elements of both I think.
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Post by jamo on Jan 20, 2024 18:30:19 GMT 1
I don't think it's because we're necessarily unfit. I think the issue is we spend most of our time chasing the ball because the opposition nearly always dominate possession. I think this may have some truth to it. It is massively sapping of energy ( and enthusiasm and effort) if the team are constantly being moved around the pitch, for little affect and purpose
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Jan 20, 2024 19:03:38 GMT 1
Post by southshropblue on Jan 20, 2024 19:03:38 GMT 1
My concern at Hurst returning would be around him being the right person at the right time, which he was last time but I’m not at all sure he would be at this moment in time. He has failed everywhere he’s been since so why we would view him as any kind of saviour is slightly beyond me. John Eustace is still out of work and was doing good things at Birmingham City until he was unceremoniously dumped. Bit of a long shot as there may be bigger suitors but he may see us as an ideal opportunity to build on his growing reputation I'm led to belive that one of the key things Hurst implemented in the summer of 2017 was install a very detailed fitness programme for the team, which led to them hitting the ground running at the start of that season, and really allowed us to play the hard pressing game through much of the play-off season and we picked up a lot of late wins that season too. Taking over now I don't think Hurst - or anyone else for that matter - would have the time to get that fitness in the team to play that style of game and I think without that Hurst's tactics are a bit lacking and he's a bit of a one trick pony to that extent. Potentially he maybe able to get a few gems in on loan, but I'm unconvinced there would be much of a difference to what we see now. Plus with the way he left us and the tricky situation the club finds itself in I'd fear his return could be quite dividing and not helpful. Interesting posts Did Hurst also get us friendlies against championship teams ta the start of that great season which both upped our fitness snd increased our confidence or did I imaginer that ?
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Post by kl8-2 on Jan 20, 2024 19:11:13 GMT 1
Brackley,Villa,Wolves,Cardiff and Burton.
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Jan 20, 2024 19:12:22 GMT 1
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Post by WATR on Jan 20, 2024 19:12:22 GMT 1
Interesting posts Did Hurst also get us friendlies against championship teams ta the start of that great season which both upped our fitness snd increased our confidence or did I imaginer that ? We played seven pre-season friendlies; Ebbsfleet, Brackley, Aston Villa, Wolves, Cardiff, Telford and Burton as well an additional friendly against Walsall a few weeks into the season.
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Jan 20, 2024 19:13:41 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 19:13:41 GMT 1
Brackley,Villa,Wolves,Cardiff and Burton. dundee united ? or was that later ?
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Jan 20, 2024 19:21:24 GMT 1
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Post by kl8-2 on Jan 20, 2024 19:21:24 GMT 1
July 2019.
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Post by johnno on Jan 20, 2024 20:16:19 GMT 1
It's happening again, happened under Davies, Ratcliffe, under Turner/Jackson and most certainly is now. Not enough pressure is being put on for change when many can see the trap door opening.
Yes they did better today than last week, but they are stuck in a rut, there's no plan b...plan a is painful and seems easy to play against.
As nice a bloke as Taylor seems to be he has to be replaced, be stunned if Salop stay up if he stays
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Post by jamo on Jan 20, 2024 20:23:06 GMT 1
It's happening again, happened under Davies, Ratcliffe, under Turner/Jackson and most certainly is now. Not enough pressure is being put on for change when many can see the trap door opening. Yes they did better today than last week, but they are stuck in a rut, there's no plan b...plan a is painful and seems easy to play against. As nice a bloke as Taylor seems to be he has to be replaced, be stunned if Salop stay up if he stays I get all of that, but if the club sack MT now then who the hell gets any reasonable chance to make an impact. We have to somehow limp to the end of the season and hope we are not in the bottom four. Then completely change the whole set up
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Post by johnno on Jan 20, 2024 20:30:18 GMT 1
Hope? Wish I had some
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Jan 20, 2024 22:07:16 GMT 1
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Post by kenwood on Jan 20, 2024 22:07:16 GMT 1
It's happening again, happened under Davies, Ratcliffe, under Turner/Jackson and most certainly is now. Not enough pressure is being put on for change when many can see the trap door opening. Yes they did better today than last week, but they are stuck in a rut, there's no plan b...plan a is painful and seems easy to play against. As nice a bloke as Taylor seems to be he has to be replaced, be stunned if Salop stay up if he stays I get all of that, but if the club sack MT now then who the hell gets any reasonable chance to make an impact. We have to somehow limp to the end of the season and hope we are not in the bottom four. Then completely change the whole set up Absolutely agree . If we succeed in escaping the drop will RW be minded to change the whole set up . In his view it would have worked - we would still be a League 1 club- sunlit uplands await . Like you Im sure we both want Taylor to pull the rabbit out of the hat . I’ve often said on here that we will survive but the longer it goes on the more I fear for us. Looks to me as if the only possible throw of the dice would see MT out and guess who in . Frightening isn’t it.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Jan 20, 2024 23:23:48 GMT 1
We're in that grim catch 22 situation as fans whereby in the leadup to a match day we're somehow torn between fluking a sweaty undeserved win against someone which almost certainly will turn out to be a hiding to nothing, or being comprehensively beat in the hope it may bring about change.
It should never be allowed to get to that point but time and time again we end up back to square one.
I'm not typically for firing managers at the drop of the hat, least of all this time where Taylor is essentially the scapegoat for failures further up the food chain, but unless Wycherley genuinely thinks he can turn things around then the call has to be made.
But will it bring about any meaningful change? Doubtful as long as Roland and Moore are pulling the strings.
Gosh, has there been a more utterly depressing time to be a Town fan?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 23:36:55 GMT 1
We're in that grim catch 22 situation as fans whereby in the leadup to a match day we're somehow torn between fluking a sweaty undeserved win against someone which almost certainly will turn out to be a hiding to nothing, or being comprehensively beat in the hope it may bring about change. It should never be allowed to get to that point but time and time again we end up back to square one. I'm not typically for firing managers at the drop of the hat, least of all this time where Taylor is essentially the scapegoat for failures further up the food chain, but unless Wycherley genuinely thinks he can turn things around then the call has to be made. But will it bring about any meaningful change? Doubtful as long as Roland and Moore are pulling the strings. Gosh, has there been a more utterly depressing time to be a Town fan? That's what I mean when I say we are on a loser with some fans , three games running now we've lost by one goal , at least 2 of the games we were the better side , today the side in 2nd hit the post late on , they also scrambled one off their line late on It seems we are not allowed games like that this season It's one of 2 options A defeat is a defeat A win is lucky No win with some of our fans
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Jan 21, 2024 0:01:40 GMT 1
Post by southshropblue on Jan 21, 2024 0:01:40 GMT 1
I think losing 6 games out of 7 is down to more than just bad luck tbh we often say the table does not lie and we are at the moment where we deserve to be
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Jan 21, 2024 0:12:49 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 0:12:49 GMT 1
I think losing 6 games out of 7 is down to more than just bad luck tbh we often say the table does not lie and we are at the moment where we deserve to be and making stats like 6 defeats out of 7 why just 7 ? its because we won the 8th game, drew thew 9th game, won the 10th game only negative stats are allowed ;-)
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