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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 20, 2024 21:10:01 GMT 1
"The margins are so fine..."
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 20, 2024 21:14:08 GMT 1
Reckon I'm still about one hour off finally warming up.
We got exactly what we expected, only without the mullering that surely would have led to Taylor's departure. First half I thought we were ok, but as soon as we conceded the rest of the game and the final outcome was entirely predictable.
Huge credit to Burgoyne who did pretty well, and as has been mentioned, Bloxham was a constant pain, his strength and direct running looked our best outlet time after time.
That all said, we were easily undone for their equaliser, the winner was awful defending, we never really laid a glove on them in the second half, and on most other days Peterborough would have scored at least three and probably four.
I'm not quite as pessimistic as some on here, because the bottom four are not really averaging more than 1 point a game, so games in hand won't all be won. But, there's absolutely no doubt that suddenly we're in an incredibly perilous position, with a team that struggles to score and can't keep teams out. Next week is absolutely mammoth though. Games against the likes of Peterborough won't define our season, and in some respects we might in fact be grateful our goal difference hasn't taken even more of a battering, but we need to take today's first half, and in particular the energy we showed, to Sixfields. Personally, I'd sack Taylor and Moore tonight, recent results, and performances, are just not good enough, and at least a new coach / manager would have some time in this window, but I can't imagine there's many on here that won't be calling for change if we lose at Northampton.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 20, 2024 21:14:08 GMT 1
My two pennies worth...
Burgoyne did well. Couldnt do anything about the two goals. We didnt have a reserve keeper on the bench even though the young lad was there (Xander Parke is it??)
Dunkley was the usual collosus at the back. Feeney and Sraha did well.
Benning had an unusually quiet game. Winchester won loads of tackles, he got very frustrated about something in 2nd half and got subbed.
Kenneh was a bit below par today. Perry seemed really up for it and covered loads of ground. Shipley was a constant threat, great goal too.
Mata was okay. The subs didn't affect the game much.
Special mention for Bloxham who was really good! Holding up the ball, tackling, winning balls he shouldn't be, running around, winning headers. It was a great performance. He is undroppable now IMO.
Dunkley or Shipley for MOTM
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 20, 2024 21:17:11 GMT 1
I do understand those of us who are starting to fear a relegation battle I really do.
But just 1 win and we are back up to just below mid table, there are 7 teams on 30/31 points. Plenty more poor teams around us.
It's just where that win is coming from that's a bit worrying.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 20, 2024 21:20:11 GMT 1
But just 1 win and we are back up to just below mid table, there are 7 teams on 30/31 points. False position though isn't it. Port Fail have 30 points and 3 games in hand
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Post by mullersalopian on Jan 20, 2024 21:28:55 GMT 1
I do understand those of us who are starting to fear a relegation battle I really do. But just 1 win and we are back up to just below mid table, there are 7 teams on 30/31 points. Plenty more poor teams around us. It's just where that win is coming from that's a bit worrying. Burton are the only team by us with same games and they are 1 point above in 15th all the rest have 1/2 or 3 games in hand so we won't move up anytime soon 3 below all have games in hand 2 or 3 games even if they draw all we will be in a battle that I can't see us winning
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Post by MartinB on Jan 20, 2024 21:32:33 GMT 1
Frustration for me is clear lack of preparation on the basics e.g. corners.
Which of the following is our plan? 1)Zonal marking 2)Man for Man 3)Put all out players in our 6 yard box 4)Pull everyone back 5)Leave 1 up on half way line 6)Leave 1 player about 30 yards from our goal 7)Opponents have player out with the taker. We send 1 player out 8) Opponents have player out with the taker. We send 2 players out
Think I have seen us do all of these things in the same game. Shows no planning for me.
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Post by jamo on Jan 20, 2024 21:32:56 GMT 1
“The margins are fine”
It’s probably reasonable to assume that any team regularly having less than 30% possession in any given game will come out on the wrong side of the margin.
Meaningless manager speak
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 20, 2024 21:39:19 GMT 1
Frustration for me is clear lack of preparation on the basics e.g. corners. Which of the following is our plan? 1)Zonal marking 2)Man for Man 3)Put all out players in our 6 yard box 4)Pull everyone back 5)Leave 1 up on half way line 6)Leave 1 player about 30 yards from our goal 7)Opponents have player out with the taker. We send 1 player out 8) Opponents have player out with the taker. We send 2 players out Think I have seen us do all of these things in the same game. Shows no planning for me. I agree...look at our throw ins, no one has a clue what to do
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jan 20, 2024 21:54:52 GMT 1
While I sympathise Peterborough away isn’t a game you’d back us to do well in its utterly depressing that as a fan base we essentially write off any games against the top half.
I’ve left the ground after the Pompey and Stevenage games and heard the same thing, we aren’t in the position to be writing off games no matter who they’re against, it was only Peterborough not prime Barcelona.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:11 GMT 1
Don’t get the negative comments. I expected a beating from posh we only lost 2-1 against second in the league away that’s not bad imo In isolation, a narrow defeat against an in form side isn't anything to be concerned about. But 7 defeats in 8 and now 19th in the league, it's no surprise that some fans are concerned Whilst many of our fans expected a defeat, it doesn't mean they are going to be happy with it. And I personally take no solace in only losing 2-1 to a fellow L1 side.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:41 GMT 1
But just 1 win and we are back up to just below mid table, there are 7 teams on 30/31 points. False position though isn't it. Port Fail have 30 points and 3 games in hand 'Maybe' a false position. The few games in hand played in recent weeks have resulted in nil points for the teams around us. These clubs down with us are all just as poor as we are. They wont win all of them, far from it and several are clubs around us playing each other. Games in hand often prove to be a red herring, remember 2003 and all our games in hand.... I still maintain 1 win will make things look quite a bit better, just cant see where it's coming from right now. Will probably be a complete fluke but I'd take it right now.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Jan 20, 2024 22:26:12 GMT 1
While I sympathise Peterborough away isn’t a game you’d back us to do well in its utterly depressing that as a fan base we essentially write off any games against the top half. I’ve left the ground after the Pompey and Stevenage games and heard the same thing, we aren’t in the position to be writing off games no matter who they’re against, it was only Peterborough not prime Barcelona. I remember the club apologists walking out of the ground after the Portsmouth game saying exactly the same thing. Our standards have dropped so far, that being beaten 3-0 at home is par for the course now. By that logic, failure to beat Burton or Cheltenham is exactly that - a failure.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 20, 2024 22:34:08 GMT 1
I’ll be trying my hardest to forget this game is taking place on Saturday afternoon. Despite posting this earlier in the week for my sins I found myself there today, disappointed and disheartened but not disgusted this week. First half we battled well, and did a good job at winning possession in their half and springing forward, albeit with little in the way of actual chances and Burgoyne being the busier keeper. To go into half time in the lead whilst a pleasant surprised it wasn’t a huge miscarriage of justice. Sadly the second half was more or less one way traffic, an early equaliser, a soft second goal and as usual nothing at all from us to look like getting back into it. Credit to Burgoyne who did pretty well (albeit saves I’d expect a keeper to make), Bloxham for coming back in and looking our most lively attacker, and Feeney for having the best game I’ve seen him have to date. Disappointed to hear Taylor say afterwards that the two substitutes were pre-planned, the game was crying out for some fresh legs before they scored but yet again he’s reactive rather than proactive, there’s been a few times this season we’ve brought subs on straight after we concede. Also, well aware Bayliss has been very poor recently, but unless he’s injured to have him as an unused sub in a game we’re behind in seems a monumental waste. Finally, to hear Taylor say we were in control for large periods of the game had my head in my hands. I’m just not sure he sees the same game as others. If we show the first half battle and intent on future games we might be able to scrape a few wins against the lesser sides, but I just can’t see where the quality to accompany the effort is coming from. But for tonight I’m not going to be overly critical, it was miles better than the home effort against them last month (which was also a 2-1 loss).
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Jan 20, 2024 22:42:07 GMT 1
Today was, for the first time this season, a game I neither watched on tv, in person or listened on the radio!
Reason…I knew the outcome. Not the score but the result was inevitable given we are the worst town side I’ve seen for many a year.
Definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting change. Our club chooses to believe in Matt Taylor.
Speaks volumes.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 22:53:49 GMT 1
Today was, for the first time this season, a game I neither watched on tv, in person or listened on the radio! Reason…I knew the outcome. Not the score but the result was inevitable given we are the worst town side I’ve seen for many a year. Definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting change. Our club chooses to believe in Matt Taylor. Speaks volumes. What did you do instead Was it planned ?
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 20, 2024 22:58:06 GMT 1
I felt Peterbro didn't really get out of 2nd gear. Our 90% isnt good enough to beat Peterborough's 60%.
I fear our 90% won't be enough to beat Northampton's 90%. Our level is a low-bar. As someone has said before, we likely wouldn't beat any of the top 10 teams of L2 currently.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 20, 2024 23:07:03 GMT 1
What happened to the 'match' thread?
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 20, 2024 23:14:43 GMT 1
Didn't hate how we played today. Bloxham might not be the answer, but he got us up the pitch and gave us something, we actually had a plan and it kind of worked. I think that's how I'd like us to play against the better teams in the league. It's a shame it's taken so long for this to be how we play, I felt bad for Taylor after the chants today....but then over the course of the season, maybe?
They've beaten us fair and square 2-1 twice in a month, and there's no sour grapes here, but if you want evidence of what a bad league it is this season it's the fact they're second.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 20, 2024 23:17:17 GMT 1
What happened to the 'match' thread? Pre-match morphed into match in the same way as this team will morph into winners. The day will come as sure as eggs, I expect it's in the stars, or Nostradamus or something.....
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Jan 20, 2024 23:20:04 GMT 1
Today was, for the first time this season, a game I neither watched on tv, in person or listened on the radio! Reason…I knew the outcome. Not the score but the result was inevitable given we are the worst town side I’ve seen for many a year. Definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting change. Our club chooses to believe in Matt Taylor. Speaks volumes. What did you do instead Was it planned ? Does that matter?….it was a decision taken for the reasons above. I’m a season ticket holder. If I wasn’t I would not be attending anywhere near the amount of home games the 23 ST does and given that I would let others down if I didn’t. I feel compelled by that and that alone. If it based on our team and the anti-football I see week in week out I wouldn’t set foot in the stadium whilst we have Taylor and Mickey Mouse in charge. That said Pilch, you wouldn’t understand because you are so set against everyone’s criticism of the club and feel you have to question it. Can’t say I have ever questioned your sanity in being so positive but then to be honest I don’t care either way.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 20, 2024 23:21:41 GMT 1
What happened to the 'match' thread? Pre-match morphed into match in the same way as this team will morph into winners. The day will come as sure as eggs, I expect it's in the stars, or Nostradamus or something..... So it was censored?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 20, 2024 23:25:20 GMT 1
Pre-match morphed into match in the same way as this team will morph into winners. The day will come as sure as eggs, I expect it's in the stars, or Nostradamus or something..... So it was censored? I don't think so. Just nobody could be bothered to set one up. Nobodies going to buy a season ticket. Nobodies going to buy the club. We are becalmed in the doldrums.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 20, 2024 23:26:58 GMT 1
"The margins are so fine..." What a half time team talk! "be careful second half because we could mess it up with one mistake because they are better than us" It might have been true but it's hardly inspiring to a team low on confidence that has beat the odds and were in the lead.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 20, 2024 23:32:52 GMT 1
While I sympathise Peterborough away isn’t a game you’d back us to do well in its utterly depressing that as a fan base we essentially write off any games against the top half. I’ve left the ground after the Pompey and Stevenage games and heard the same thing, we aren’t in the position to be writing off games no matter who they’re against, it was only Peterborough not prime Barcelona. That mentality is fine if we beat the bottom half. We are basically hoping to win the games against the bottom 11 teams at home and fluke some more somewhere else. Never before have I gone into a game expecting to lose before this season. We don't have the quality which is the norm but we also don't have the fitness and determination to outwork teams so it's obvious what the result are going to be. What a sad state we are in.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2024 23:40:35 GMT 1
What did you do instead Was it planned ? Does that matter?….it was a decision taken for the reasons above. I’m a season ticket holder. If I wasn’t I would not be attending anywhere near the amount of home games the 23 ST does and given that I would let others down if I didn’t. I feel compelled by that and that alone. If it based on our team and the anti-football I see week in week out I wouldn’t set foot in the stadium whilst we have Taylor and Mickey Mouse in charge. That said Pilch, you wouldn’t understand because you are so set against everyone’s criticism of the club and feel you have to question it. Can’t say I have ever questioned your sanity in being so positive but then to be honest I don’t care either way. I think you gave me your answer , you had pre arranged plans and was never going to the game anyway 😝
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Post by MartinB on Jan 20, 2024 23:41:51 GMT 1
If we had Klopp as manager he would be demanding the game today be replayed for an error by the Referee and Assistant for making a mistake on a restart.
Any other sad person know what it was? 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 20, 2024 23:49:46 GMT 1
Pre-match morphed into match in the same way as this team will morph into winners. The day will come as sure as eggs, I expect it's in the stars, or Nostradamus or something..... So it was censored? No. I sometimes start a match thread but happened to be out today so didn't get the chance.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 0:04:54 GMT 1
Pre-match morphed into match in the same way as this team will morph into winners. The day will come as sure as eggs, I expect it's in the stars, or Nostradamus or something..... So it was censored? sorry to disappoint but you can still pretend a certain mod deleted posts
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Post by akpaakpost on Jan 21, 2024 0:16:19 GMT 1
It isn't rocket science, he either stays here or goes back to Morecambe. No other option. Was only asking if the rule applied to Scotland mate
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