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Post by Valerioch on Nov 23, 2023 11:10:50 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 23, 2023 12:13:52 GMT 1
I don’t doubt the figures just the source. I see the ONS has revised last years figures upwards to give a reduction this year
“However, in today's release, the ONS revised last year's figure to 745,000 - meaning this year's number's appear to be a decrease on last year.”
Just a warning
“In a 2023 poll by YouGov 12% of respondents ranked GB News as a trusted news-brand, compared to the BBC's 44%.”
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 23, 2023 12:21:51 GMT 1
I don’t doubt the figures just the source. I see the ONS has revised last years figures upwards to give a reduction this year “ However, in today's release, the ONS revised last year's figure to 745,000 - meaning this year's number's appear to be a decrease on last year.”
Just a warning “ In a 2023 poll by YouGov 12% of respondents ranked GB News as a trusted news-brand, compared to the BBC's 44%.”I've long given up on the BBC, but link here supports the same data www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 13:33:00 GMT 1
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the annual small boat crossings around 50,000? These people are probably the biggest security risk as we don’t know anything about them, but it shows how dumbed down the ‘stop the boats’ argument is when it accounts for less than 10% of the total migration figure.
Would be good to see a breakdown of who’s coming in, where from, what legal routes they’ve taken etc to give the stat some context.
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Post by mattmw on Nov 23, 2023 14:32:37 GMT 1
Behind the headline figures these are actually pretty good news figures for the Government
A significant number of the new migrants are Hong Kong and Ukrainiane's arriving here (around 150,000) due to conflict and changing politics in Hong Kong
Of the remaining figure the majority of migrants are from none EU countries arriving under either education or work viasa which have been developed since Brexit and give the government much more control over immigration levels and skills than the EU free movement scheme. Around 200,000 are connected to primary health care or social care, and meeting a significat gap in the UK employment market. The student levels are artificially high as during covid number of students coming here as greatly reduced and there has been a big spike since 2022 - but over time most students will return to their home nation which will bring the numbers down.
So most of the migration is having a positive impact on the UK economy, and is to an extent "planned and controlled" by the government and is relatively short term while post covid employment and education patterns settle down, and net migration is likley to fall for the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 15:17:45 GMT 1
Behind the headline figures these are actually pretty good news figures for the Government A significant number of the new migrants are Hong Kong and Ukrainiane's arriving here (around 150,000) due to conflict and changing politics in Hong Kong Of the remaining figure the majority of migrants are from none EU countries arriving under either education or work viasa which have been developed since Brexit and give the government much more control over immigration levels and skills than the EU free movement scheme. Around 200,000 are connected to primary health care or social care, and meeting a significat gap in the UK employment market. The student levels are artificially high as during covid number of students coming here as greatly reduced and there has been a big spike since 2022 - but over time most students will return to their home nation which will bring the numbers down. So most of the migration is having a positive impact on the UK economy, and is to an extent "planned and controlled" by the government and is relatively short term while post covid employment and education patterns settle down, and net migration is likley to fall for the next few years. It’s mad that the government themselves (or any political commentator for that matter) can’t even communicate this as simply, effectively and free of bias as you just have 👍 |
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Post by mattmw on Nov 23, 2023 15:36:34 GMT 1
Behind the headline figures these are actually pretty good news figures for the Government A significant number of the new migrants are Hong Kong and Ukrainiane's arriving here (around 150,000) due to conflict and changing politics in Hong Kong Of the remaining figure the majority of migrants are from none EU countries arriving under either education or work viasa which have been developed since Brexit and give the government much more control over immigration levels and skills than the EU free movement scheme. Around 200,000 are connected to primary health care or social care, and meeting a significat gap in the UK employment market. The student levels are artificially high as during covid number of students coming here as greatly reduced and there has been a big spike since 2022 - but over time most students will return to their home nation which will bring the numbers down. So most of the migration is having a positive impact on the UK economy, and is to an extent "planned and controlled" by the government and is relatively short term while post covid employment and education patterns settle down, and net migration is likley to fall for the next few years. It’s mad that the government themselves (or any political commentator for that matter) can’t even communicate this as simply, effectively and free of bias as you just have 👍 To be fair I should credit a lot from Twitter or whatever it’s called now. Follow a few economics commentators and a lot of these figures are from a Jonathan Portes who is worth a follow if you are interested in the subject It’s slightly ironic that a policy that’s actually working for the government - and they don’t have many - is probably the one their own MPs are less keen to champion. I see the New Conservative group are not happy about the figures today |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 18:27:22 GMT 1
Yvette knows her stuff, very competent parliamentarian, will be a key player in the potential future Labour government.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 15:25:51 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 27, 2023 19:02:11 GMT 1
Yvette knows her stuff, very competent parliamentarian, will be a key player in the potential future Labour government. Ha Ha. Stop it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 7:48:07 GMT 1
Yet another Brexit effect. In 2015 the net migration figure was around 336,000 which (without doing the maths, because I really can't be bothered) looks to be around the average of the figures quoted. Worth noting that in 2014 net migration was close to double that at over 640,000. Some years will be higher, some lower, some middling.
We need a certain amount of net migration in the UK to keep things working and the economy growing. How sustainable are these figures going forward? I don't know, but it's also worth bearing in mind that around 40% of those included in those figures are coming here to study, many of whom will return to their own country upon completing their education or training. Hopefully we can keep some of the brightest here.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 29, 2023 18:45:56 GMT 1
Just googled this to be sure my memory was correct but in the 80s till early 90 s migration to the UK was under 60,000 A year
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 1, 2023 16:07:12 GMT 1
An informative 30 minutes on BBC Radio 4 earlier today. It's clear that net migration will reduce even without a change of policy. It's also clear that policy changes that greatly reduce the figures will have a serious impact on the university sector and the social care sector. The growing reliance on foreign students in the university sector and foreign workers in the social care sector are rational responses to the impact of government policy in the sectors. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001sv3b |
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 6, 2023 14:53:05 GMT 1
The measures just announced seem very harsh on brits who fall in love with someone abroad. Min income to bring your partner up from £18,700 to £38,700. A massive disadvantage to those not living in the affluent south with £12k difference in average earnings.
Cant stop illegal immigration so reduce work and family immigration.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 6, 2023 19:48:43 GMT 1
Well it is starting to affect the friends of Guardian and Spectator columnists so it must be bad. Latest rumour is that Jenrick has resigned.
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Post by kenwood on Dec 6, 2023 20:16:49 GMT 1
Well it is starting to affect the friends of Guardian and Spectator columnists so it must be bad. Latest rumour is that Jenrick has resigned. Great shout Sean 👍 |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 6, 2023 20:20:16 GMT 1
Well it is starting to affect the friends of Guardian and Spectator columnists so it must be bad. Latest rumour is that Jenrick has resigned. Great shout Sean 👍 Popcorn at the ready. This could get messy. |
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Post by kenwood on Dec 6, 2023 20:36:30 GMT 1
Popcorn at the ready. This could get messy. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Dec 6, 2023 20:45:59 GMT 1
Think he and Braverman should join Reform. They’re too right wing even for the Tory party.
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Post by kenwood on Dec 6, 2023 20:48:22 GMT 1
Popcorn at the ready. This could get messy. Joking apart this must put even more pressure on Sunak . I believe the publication Conservative Home puts Badenoch in pole position to take over . Mind you, these are the same people who wanted Truss as MP . Braverman is building a strong base supported by the likes of Redwood and his ilk so cannot be discounted . Let’s see how this pans out. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 8:26:56 GMT 1
I don't think Sunak will lead the country into the next election. His days are numbered in Downing St. and I think he knows it, he might just last until the spring. Whoever takes over is going to face an impossible task to overhaul Labours lead in the polls.
Whoever it turns out to be will be responsible for leading the Tories to an electoral defeat and no-one will want to be that person.
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 7, 2023 9:21:35 GMT 1
Oh I don’t know. There will always be at least one of them who thinks they are god’s gift to politics and can do it. They wouldn’t be there if they didn’t think they were wonderful.
As with all jobs, they are easy until you have to do them and be answerable for your actions.
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 7, 2023 12:00:32 GMT 1
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Post by kenwood on Dec 7, 2023 13:06:04 GMT 1
Just watched Sunak’s response . He’s throwing everything at the small boats issue . He’s fighting for his position as PM and it’s pitiful to watch him almost plead that look, this is what I’m doing please give me a chance . Don’t know whether his new bill is for the benefit of his party or for the population in general . He’s also saying what are the Labour Party doing ,what are their plans to solve the problem . He has appointed two new ministers to take over Jenryks role . One for Illegal Immigrants and 1 for Legal Immigrants so we will see how that works out . Political commentators think Rwanda are, in reality questioning this Country’s position on human rights ! Now there’s a cheeky turn around . It will be interesting to see how the Tory party accept this initiative by Sunak and whether they will have a free vote. . |
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