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Post by northwestman on Nov 15, 2023 11:26:00 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Nov 15, 2023 11:39:28 GMT 1
Another £140 million well spent by the Government.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 15, 2023 12:48:53 GMT 1
How are they going to wriggle out if this one?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 12:51:11 GMT 1
Rwanda was never going to work anyway, it was just the thought of sending people out of this country that got everyone excited.
Hopefully the Suella-less government will now spend less time spewing the rhetoric and more time coming up with workable solutions to that huge backlog of cases.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 15, 2023 12:58:33 GMT 1
Rwanda policy would still be unlawful even if UK were not party to European convention on human rights, says supreme court
The supreme court judgment will reignite the debate in the Conservative party about whether or not the UK should leave the European convention on human rights.
But one of the interesting features of the judgment, referenced by Lord Reed in his speech, is that it says that it is not just the ECHR that obliges the UK to respect the principle of non-refoulement for refugees. It says:
It may be that the principle of non-refoulement also forms part of customary international law. The United Kingdom has subscribed to this view, along with the other states parties to the refugee convention, in the 2001 Declaration of States Parties to the 1951 Convention and/or its 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The fourth recital to the preamble to the declaration acknowledged the continuing relevance and resilience of the international regime of rights and principles established for the protection of refugees, “including at its core the principle of non-refoulement, whose applicability is embedded in customary international law”. The significance of non-refoulement being a principle of customary international law is that it is consequently binding upon all states in international law, regardless of whether they are party to any treaties which give it effect. However, as we have not been addressed on this matter, we do not rely on it in our reasoning.
The principle of non-refoulement is therefore given effect not only by the ECHR but also by other international conventions to which the United Kingdom is party. It is a core principle of international law, to which the United Kingdom government has repeatedly committed itself on the international stage, consistently with this country’s reputation for developing and upholding the rule of law.
The judgment also says the UK government would still have to respect the non-refoulement principle even if it repealed the Human Rights Act (another target of Tory rightwingers). It says:
Asylum seekers are thus protected against refoulement not only by the Human Rights Act but also by provisions in the 1993 Act, the 2002 Act and the 2004 Act, under which parliament has given effect to the refugee convention as well as the ECHR.
The Guardian.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 13:27:30 GMT 1
The government needs to abolish the Supreme Court to pursue its aims. The functions of the Surpreme Court can then be returned to the Law Lords.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 15, 2023 18:21:51 GMT 1
So Lee Anderson, Deputy Party Chairman says ignore the law and put flight in the air anyway. Whatever happened to the party of law and order?
It’s usually dictators and banana republics which ignore their courts or where the courts routinely just do what their Govt says.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 15, 2023 18:38:09 GMT 1
It all adds evidence as to what a truly obnoxious bunch they are.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 16, 2023 0:31:35 GMT 1
This is more than some supreme court judge telling us what to do, exporting immigrants to Rwanda goes against our own domestic laws and International rules.
Sunak making a big play of spending more hard working taxpayers money to save face when none of this would be needed if we had the capacity to process asylum claims here, quickly and efficiently, without spending all that hard working taxpayer money on long term hotel and migrant boat accommodation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 9:39:48 GMT 1
Funny how Sunak is threatening and posturing about leaving the ECHR, when it has been British courts enforcing British and International, not European, law. Perhaps we should leave the United Nations too, because apparently they aren't too keen on extrajudicial executions, which are in the news again today. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67418001This country is on its way to becoming a pariah state. |
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Post by MartinB on Nov 16, 2023 13:31:40 GMT 1
Ignore the rights or wrongs of this idea. £120,000,000+ to send 200 people to another Country is bonkers
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Post by northwestman on Nov 16, 2023 15:51:54 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 16, 2023 18:15:52 GMT 1
The Govt doesn’t seem to realise just because you pass a law to say Rwanda is “safe”, it doesn’t change the reality of whether it is or not.
Perhaps they should pass a law to say England won the World Cup. It’s the sort of thing they do in North Korea.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 16, 2023 18:23:40 GMT 1
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