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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 9, 2023 10:55:32 GMT 1
Looks like more bad news, I've lost track though, is it bad luck or down to the manager signing crocking/ignoring fitness assessments/forcing players to play when they aren't fit? Or of course simply we need a bigger budget Joking aside, to have lost 4 of 6 loans through inuries is terrible bad luck. I know Shipley coming back is better news but I really liked the look of Fleming and he looked a genuine wing back as opposed to Benning who looks a lower league left back. Assuming that a number of the loans go back in January, it could be another busy transfer window. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2023/11/08/exclusive-shrewsbury-town-handed-fresh-brandon-fleming-injury-concern/
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 9, 2023 11:20:18 GMT 1
Another blow. Fleming really was cementing his place in the side. As you ask, is this just bad luck or did we do other deals with clubs to help them rehabilitate players with injury issues, a la Phillips? The bottom line is, we can't afford to carry these players until they are fit given our league position. January can't come too soon.
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Post by lynch on Feb 8, 2024 12:33:31 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Feb 8, 2024 12:40:16 GMT 1
Communication channels run both ways maybe Hull's medical team their eye off the ball?
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 8, 2024 12:43:41 GMT 1
Also lost goodwill with Newcastle over Bondswell.
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Post by scooter on Feb 8, 2024 12:44:25 GMT 1
It’s a strange article. Rosenior says he’s disappointed with Shrewsbury, but not why.
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Post by lynch on Feb 8, 2024 13:04:23 GMT 1
Article writer makes same point re being unclear & comments "perhaps involves the aftermath of his ankle problem and the club’s handling of his rehabilitation back into the first-team which never came to fruition"
Either way, bad press for Town. We've a few on loan from Hull recently?
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Post by venceremos on Feb 8, 2024 13:17:40 GMT 1
Article writer makes same point re being unclear & comments "perhaps involves the aftermath of his ankle problem and the club’s handling of his rehabilitation back into the first-team which never came to fruition" Either way, bad press for Town. We've a few on loan from Hull recently? It's a nothing story. Rosenior is complaining but doesn't try to back it up by actually explaining himself. He may or may not have a case, but it reflects badly on him that he criticises another club publicly without justifying it. As for the Bondswell nonsense, I've no idea if we've lost goodwill with the Saudis over not prioritising their 3rd or 4th choice left back over our in-form and ever-present 1st choice (Nurse) but I can live with that. The day we feel obliged to play loanees to keep favour with their parent club is the day we become a de facto feeder club.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 8, 2024 13:32:14 GMT 1
Article writer makes same point re being unclear & comments "perhaps involves the aftermath of his ankle problem and the club’s handling of his rehabilitation back into the first-team which never came to fruition" Either way, bad press for Town. We've a few on loan from Hull recently? It's a nothing story. Rosenior is complaining but doesn't try to back it up by actually explaining himself. He may or may not have a case, but it reflects badly on him that he criticises another club publicly without justifying it. As for the Bondswell nonsense, I've no idea if we've lost goodwill with the Saudis over not prioritising their 3rd or 4th choice left back over our in-form and ever-present 1st choice (Nurse) but I can live with that. The day we feel obliged to play loanees to keep favour with their parent club is the day we become a de facto feeder club. Still crying about Newcastles owners? You must've been crying since 1993, unless you're a raging hypocrite.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 8, 2024 13:47:02 GMT 1
It's a nothing story. Rosenior is complaining but doesn't try to back it up by actually explaining himself. He may or may not have a case, but it reflects badly on him that he criticises another club publicly without justifying it. As for the Bondswell nonsense, I've no idea if we've lost goodwill with the Saudis over not prioritising their 3rd or 4th choice left back over our in-form and ever-present 1st choice (Nurse) but I can live with that. The day we feel obliged to play loanees to keep favour with their parent club is the day we become a de facto feeder club. Still crying about Newcastles owners? You must've been crying since 1993, unless you're a raging hypocrite. Not crying, just not forgetting. Nor should anyone else.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 8, 2024 14:22:30 GMT 1
We have had season with more injuries and I may be wrong but we seem to have had a lot more this season , it isrotten luck and ihopehe makes a full recovery.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 8, 2024 14:33:35 GMT 1
It does raise an interesting point. Naturally being a football fan we tend to go into defensive mode and don't like hearing our club being criticised, however we've been saying how many injuries we've had this season and in some instances, they've gone on longer than expected, so is that partially down to the way the players have been treated? There's been nothing to suggest that previously but now a manager of another football club is stating that in this one instance, therefore could it be the case for others?
As with the majority of things, we will never know of course but if we didn't speculate on things we don't know about, this board would be very quiet.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Feb 8, 2024 15:39:04 GMT 1
Its not obvious from what Rosenior said whether he is complaining about lack of proper medical treatment or lack of game time to get Fleming integrated back into the first team. This is a weakness of the loan system in that the perspectives of the two different clubs may not necessarily always coincide. We are not a feeder club for Hull and would presumably only play a loan player if the manager thinks he is the best available to us at that time. It would probably be best for both clubs in the loan system if a player sustains an injury that looks as if it will be for more than a few weeks then he goes back to his parent club for treatment and only returns when they are satisfied he is fit. As for Fleming he looked promising in the few times I saw him play and I wish him well for an injury-free future.
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Post by lynch on Feb 8, 2024 16:14:51 GMT 1
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Feb 8, 2024 16:23:45 GMT 1
On the face of it, it's difficult to see what Rosenior would have to gain from lying about being annoyed about a lower division club mistreating a reserve full-back. Not impossible, mind.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 8, 2024 16:27:57 GMT 1
Matt Taylor never sounded clued up about the loan players injuries when he was asked about them. It hardly seemed like we were taking a full and active role in their recuperation.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 8, 2024 16:33:23 GMT 1
Well if he was injured before he came here and not fully recovered surely Hull have to take some responsibility?
Was the recuperation responsibility down to Matt Taylor or the medical team ?Chris Skitt.
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Post by vladimir on Feb 8, 2024 16:45:08 GMT 1
Didn't he go and see a specialist down in London?
Will await Hursts official line on it, but surely no smoke without fire if Rosenior felt the need to namecheck the club?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 8, 2024 16:52:24 GMT 1
I thought I read that he had chosen to remain in Shrewsbury for treatment rather than return to Hull, earlier in the season when he was injured. It sounded as if he was enjoying being with us.
If he had already played for them, then us, there was never any chance of him going out on loan to anyone else this season, so that can’t be a factor.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Feb 8, 2024 17:33:25 GMT 1
I thought I read that he had chosen to remain in Shrewsbury for treatment rather than return to Hull, earlier in the season when he was injured. It sounded as if he was enjoying being with us. If he had already played for them, then us, there was never any chance of him going out on loan to anyone else this season, so that can’t be a factor. Great Player and I am sure if he was fit we would have kept him and he would play, but if he is injured and has been for ages, we have been picking up the tab. If we had kept him on we would have kept paying for an injured player. Loan agreements don't give money back for injuries. We will have been paying out repeatedly for all injured loanees.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 8, 2024 17:33:25 GMT 1
Perhaps he’s almost fit, Hull wanted him to stay here and play but we wouldn’t have him.
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Post by secretshrew on Feb 8, 2024 17:42:59 GMT 1
I thought I read that he had chosen to remain in Shrewsbury for treatment rather than return to Hull, earlier in the season when he was injured. It sounded as if he was enjoying being with us. If he had already played for them, then us, there was never any chance of him going out on loan to anyone else this season, so that can’t be a factor. Great Player and I am sure if he was fit we would have kept him and he would play, but if he is injured and has been for ages, we have been picking up the tab. If we had kept him on we would have kept paying for an injured player. Loan agreements don't give money back for injuries. We will have been paying out repeatedly for all injured loanees. Great player? If your definition of a ‘great player’ is a terrier-like defender who looked like he was trying to hump/mount the opposition most of the time - then I suppose I could agree with that. Otherwise I’m going to have to disagree!! 😉
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 8, 2024 18:39:03 GMT 1
Great Player and I am sure if he was fit we would have kept him and he would play, but if he is injured and has been for ages, we have been picking up the tab. If we had kept him on we would have kept paying for an injured player. Loan agreements don't give money back for injuries. We will have been paying out repeatedly for all injured loanees. Great player? If your definition of a ‘great player’ is a terrier-like defender who looked like he was trying to hump/mount the opposition most of the time - then I suppose I could agree with that. Otherwise I’m going to have to disagree!! 😉 I dont think anyone could be classed as a "great player" after so few appearances. He looked promising but due to the injury we will never know sadly.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Feb 8, 2024 19:40:15 GMT 1
Great player? If your definition of a ‘great player’ is a terrier-like defender who looked like he was trying to hump/mount the opposition most of the time - then I suppose I could agree with that. Otherwise I’m going to have to disagree!! 😉 I dont think anyone could be classed as a "great player" after so few appearances. He looked promising but due to the injury we will never know sadly. Sorry - great is an overstatement, "terrier-like defender" who to my mind got stuck in, and was good to watch then will that do?
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Post by blueboy48 on Feb 8, 2024 19:56:45 GMT 1
Fleming arrived Injured, played a few games, was injured again and never played again for us.That's all I know and Rosenior tells us nothing except how unhappy he is. His behaviour in my view is quite unprofessional. If he's got an issue then deal with it'In House', establish the truth and get over it. He was always their player and Hull had ultimate control over his treatment.Looks like a blame game to me.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 8, 2024 20:00:07 GMT 1
Basically Hurst has decided he doesn't want him.
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Post by secretshrew on Feb 8, 2024 20:07:30 GMT 1
I dont think anyone could be classed as a "great player" after so few appearances. He looked promising but due to the injury we will never know sadly. Sorry - great is an overstatement, "terrier-like defender" who to my mind got stuck in, and was good to watch then will that do? Perfect - I wasn’t attempting to be a pedant btw!! 👍🏻
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Post by shrewshrew on Feb 8, 2024 23:54:30 GMT 1
Thought Hirst’s media response to the Hull accusations was spot on. Very diplomatic.
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Post by suttonshrew on Feb 9, 2024 0:24:32 GMT 1
I trust hursts judgement if he’s gone then it’s unlikely he’d have been fit enough to add to the squad, simple as that
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Post by vladimir on Feb 9, 2024 10:19:46 GMT 1
On reflection it sounds like Rosenior throwing his toys out the pram because our new boss didn't want an injury prone defender in the squad whereas I imagine the previous regime would've made explicit assurances they wanted him back to us ASAP.
s**t happens Liam if you don't want the player you shouldn't have played him before his loan spell to us.
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