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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 15:12:11 GMT 1
Sharing fake news and getting called out by X / Twitter isn’t the best image 😬 Embarrassing. Is it really all that embarrassing? How many people up and down the country were seething when the Mail put a photo of Corbyn apparently dancing his way to the Cenotaph a few years ago? At least this has only been a bit of a p### take and after the filling station incident a couple of years back Sunak has left himself open to those. |
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Post by kenwood on Nov 29, 2023 17:54:02 GMT 1
Starmer failing .
Well, I’m not totally convinced by him to be honest but today in PMQ’s he absolutely destroyed Sunak who looked like he wanted to run away and hide. Completely destroyed
which is not difficult these days .
Even Cleverley got a bit of a kicking .
How much longer can Sunak continue , even his own front bench looked p**sed off . He may not be around much longer at this rate.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 9, 2023 18:56:37 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 22:16:04 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/30/keir-starmer-detached-labour-party-jon-cruddasKeir Starmer ‘lacks clear sense of purpose’ claims Labour ex-policy chief Jon Cruddas. Labour appears to be content for the coming election to amount to a referendum on the performance of the governing Conservatives rather than a choice between competing visions of politics and justice. Cruddas offers his own reinterpretation of Labour history by assessing how its competing traditions and visions for advancing socialist justice – the belief in redistributing wealth, increasing liberty and freedom, and ideas on how to promote human virtue – have played out. He argues that Labour leaders only succeed when they unite those traditions, and the people associated with them on the left, right and centre of the party. Cruddas says that in his campaign to succeed Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, Starmer’s 10 policy pledges had brought together those political traditions and ideologies around a central idea: what Starmer called “the moral case for socialism”. But once in office, Starmer performed a series of “pivots” or U-turns, he says, that saw him abandon many of the 10 pledges, including those on public ownership, the implementation of tax rises for the top 5% of earners and constitutional reform. He also “oversaw a brutal centralisation of power on strictly factional lines and the removal of any signs of independent thought from prospective Labour candidates”. I have to agree with most of this!
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Post by northwestman on Feb 9, 2024 10:39:57 GMT 1
With Starmer's comments on Gaza and his U turn on Green Projects I'm surprised that the Labour Party's lead in the polls hasn't by now been reduced. Just shows how badly the country wants the Tories gone I guess. Here's an interesting article showing how the right wing press has treated and will undoubtedly treat Starmer in an election year. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/project-smear-starmer/?mc_cid=17c4047ef8&mc_eid=1f534894de |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 9, 2024 11:52:59 GMT 1
The only thing that went wrong for Labour on the green policy was that it was stupid to set a monetary figure on it. Post Tory how could you possibly know that you are going to be able to spend a particular amount. The countries in a mess, the national debt is huge. If Labour win the election they have to sort out the Tory mess first.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 9, 2024 17:37:34 GMT 1
The only thing that went wrong for Labour on the green policy was that it was stupid to set a monetary figure on it. Post Tory how could you possibly know that you are going to be able to spend a particular amount. The countries in a mess, the national debt is huge. If Labour win the election they have to sort out the Tory mess first. Unfortunately in an election year policies have to be popular to win votes. Green agendas aren’t popular or taken seriously in this country. He’ll be sending people to Rwanda next. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 9, 2024 19:53:19 GMT 1
The only thing that went wrong for Labour on the green policy was that it was stupid to set a monetary figure on it. Post Tory how could you possibly know that you are going to be able to spend a particular amount. The countries in a mess, the national debt is huge. If Labour win the election they have to sort out the Tory mess first. Unfortunately in an election year policies have to be popular to win votes. Green agendas aren’t popular or taken seriously in this country. He’ll be sending people to Rwanda next. Not so sure that much better insulation isn't popular? Wouldn't most people want less shivering and lower energy bills? |
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Post by northwestman on Feb 18, 2024 12:14:11 GMT 1
Generally speaking, when an opposition party is clearly on the road to power – consistently beating an unpopular government in opinion polls and winning a string of by-elections – it brings with it a sense of optimism and renewal. The national mood becomes one of anticipation – even impatience – for this new project which will replace a burnt-out, exhausted regime.
Not this time. There is no ecstatic hope for a programme of fresh ideas, because there are no ideas on offer at all. What drives the support for Starmer’s Labour among ordinary voters is despair and desperation. Anything, they are thinking, would be better than the current shambles. Even the blank slate that Sir Keir is offering is a risk worth taking.
On the face of it, Rishi Sunak’s claim that last week’s by-elections showed that there was no great enthusiasm for Labour – in spite of the fact that they had overturned large Tory majorities – might have seemed absurd. But a look at the detail shows he was right. The majority of voters in Wellingborough and Kingswood voted for nobody. They stayed at home. The real winner of those by-elections was None of the Above.
Daily Telegraph.
I agree. The country obviously wants the Tories out, but more of the same doesn't really appeal very much.
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Post by kenwood on Feb 18, 2024 12:37:44 GMT 1
There’s a lot of truth in that .
Cast your mind back to the Clinton / Trump election battle .
How on earth did Trump triumph ?
Simple really , people though why vote for more of the same with Clinton .
Who knows what lies ahead with Trump but surely it can’t get any worse .
… and so welcome President Trump .
Trouble is they do know now but with Biden in opposition who can foresee anything but a total disaster looming for the leaders of the free World .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 15:13:41 GMT 1
There’s a lot of truth in that . Cast your mind back to the Clinton / Trump election battle . How on earth did Trump triumph ? Simple really , people though why vote for more of the same with Clinton . Who knows what lies ahead with Trump but surely it can’t get any worse . … and so welcome President Trump . Trouble is they do know now but with Biden in opposition who can foresee anything but a total disaster looming for the leaders of the free World . Trouble was that the DNC had already decided that Clinton was going to be the candidate regardless, but Bernie Sanders put a massive spanner in the works. The way the DNC pulled out all the stops to get their choice over the line actually cost them the election, as they disenfranchised everyone to the left of Clinton that would have gone out and voted for Sanders. Even then Clinton still managed to get more votes than Trump, but the American electoral college system which makes FPTP look positively flawless somehow managed to get the orange baboon into the White House. I think one issue facing Starmer is the lack of people that have switched to Labour from the Tories in the two by-elections this week. In one of them Labour increased their vote by 107 and the other one they actually won by losing fewer votes than the Tories did. Really? The absolute flustercluck that the Tories have been presiding over has not actually led to more Labour voters. Wellingborough 2019 Labour vote= 13,737. Wellingborough 2024 Labour vote= 13,844. Kingswood 2019 Labour vote = 16,492. Kingswood 2024 Labour vote = 11,176. I honestly don't know what is going to happen at the next GE. Starmer sometimes looks as though he's actually trying to throw the Tories a lifeline. |
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Post by kenwood on Feb 19, 2024 0:56:36 GMT 1
I agree with your comment about Starmer .
He’s now trying to gain ground with his recent take on the Gaza situation and whether or not to call for a ceasefire or otherwise . I can’t really make my mind up as to what he’s proposing .
The recent Post Office scandal continues with Badenoch threatening to take legal action against the Chairman she’s just sacked . He is getting his own back making all sorts of damaging allegations against the government and her .
This saga still has legs and it could run and run , just what Sunak doesn’t want.
I understand some Tory back bench MP’s are working to get rid of him . They’ve tried before without success obviously but pressure is growing and the Tory party are well known for getting rid of their own .
Maybe they see a new leader as a way to gain ground against Labour and perhaps see off the Reform party .
I think this coming week is going to be tasty .
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Post by rob62 on Feb 19, 2024 15:11:10 GMT 1
There is absolutely no enthusiasm for Labours Tory light policies.
They may manage things a bit better, but where is the big vision and the radical policies to deal with the state of the country.
I suspect turn out will be very low come the GE
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 19, 2024 18:46:18 GMT 1
I agree with your comment about Starmer . He’s now trying to gain ground with his recent take on the Gaza situation and whether or not to call for a ceasefire or otherwise . I can’t really make my mind up as to what he’s proposing . The recent Post Office scandal continues with Badenoch threatening to take legal action against the Chairman she’s just sacked . He is getting his own back making all sorts of damaging allegations against the government and her . This saga still has legs and it could run and run , just what Sunak doesn’t want. I understand some Tory back bench MP’s are working to get rid of him . They’ve tried before without success obviously but pressure is growing and the Tory party are well known for getting rid of their own . Maybe they see a new leader as a way to gain ground against Labour and perhaps see off the Reform party . I think this coming week is going to be tasty . Some of them still think Boris is a good idea. |
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Post by rob62 on Feb 19, 2024 20:15:18 GMT 1
I suspect that Sunack will survive until the May local elections.
Personally I don't think it will make much difference who is in charge, Johnson and Truss have tarnished the Tory brand beyond repair.
The Tory right clamour for tax cuts, personally apart from lifting the threshold to help those on modest wages, the priority for me is more money for local councils ,the NHS, and the police
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