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Post by Dancin on Nov 3, 2023 10:34:54 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 3, 2023 16:41:13 GMT 1
Had a feeling something would manufacture itself to disrupt Starmer romping the next general election; didn't have it down as a complete breakdown of Israel.
If Labour blow a majority at the next general election it'll be the equivalent of a striker scoring a hattrick of own goals, it should be practically impossible.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 3, 2023 18:52:00 GMT 1
It’s all about avoiding the word ceasefire and asking for humanitarian pauses which falls in with the vast majority of western leaders. Can’t see the difference personally but if he’d used ceasefire he’d be accused of all sorts including antisemitism.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 3, 2023 20:33:06 GMT 1
Not at all. The people criticising are exactly the people who he wants to be seen to be criticising him - brown-skinned people and socialists.
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Post by rob62 on Nov 4, 2023 13:47:11 GMT 1
I don't think it will do him to much harm in the eyes of the average voter.
He will however alienate those on the left which tend to be the activist base. He may loose some votes to the Greens or Lib Dems but I doubt enough to concern him
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Post by kenwood on Nov 4, 2023 16:41:31 GMT 1
Wheels falling off?
I think the Tory party have more on their plate with yet another MP being called to account .
This time it’s Bob Stewart who has “ surrendered “ the whip whilst he considers his conviction for a racially aggravated public order offence.
Sunak has been called to explain what action or lack of it , he took when Stewart was charged . His party refused to suspend him. .
Just shows Sunak up as extremely weak , lacking integrity , is the opinion of some .
Whatever, another Tory MP hitting the buffers .
Now we’ve got the COVID enquiry to get through which isn’t going to be kind to Sunak and , of course , Nadine Dorries’s bombshell book .
Personally I think she is in need of help , a very bitter woman . But , she can help pile on yet more trouble for Sunak and his party to cope with.
I don’t think it’s a case of whether the wheels are falling off for Starmer , the wheels have already fallen off for Sunak and he may not be around as PM to fight the next GE.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 5, 2023 13:30:54 GMT 1
Losing the activist base to some extent - including some experienced people - but that means local councillors and CLP officials will have to roll up their sleeves and do more of the campaigning.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 14, 2023 20:35:44 GMT 1
Had a feeling something would manufacture itself to disrupt Starmer romping the next general election; didn't have it down as a complete breakdown of Israel. Not sure about that. I think it could well strengthen his position. You have to consider the absolute state of some of the politicians within the Labour party and their stance on a certain topics. The concern is just how much this section of the Labour party is going direct Labour policy once they are in government. If he is seen to hold his ground on Israel then I think it will provide some encouragement that he's not going to be in the thrall of the more, for want of a better term, loonier elements of the party. I think it provides an opportunity for him (especially with the "flip-flop" tag). |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 14, 2023 20:58:55 GMT 1
Had a feeling something would manufacture itself to disrupt Starmer romping the next general election; didn't have it down as a complete breakdown of Israel. Not sure about that. I think it could well strengthen his position. You have to consider the absolute state of some of the politicians within the Labour party and their stance on a certain topics. The concern is just how much this section of the Labour party is going direct Labour policy once they are in government. If he is seen to hold his ground on Israel then I think it will provide some encouragement that he's not going to be in the thrall of the more, for want of a better term, loonier elements of the party. I think it provides an opportunity for him (especially with the "flip-flop" tag). Whether he takes the opportunity is another thing! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 7:15:04 GMT 1
I am currently a Labour member and parish/town councilor and I have already had falllings out with more senior councilors over local issues, but fully expect to have further disagreements over this issue in the coming weeks and months if this war continues or escalates. If that means I have to stand next time as an independent then so be it.
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Post by servernaside on Nov 15, 2023 14:47:10 GMT 1
I am currently a Labour member and parish/town councilor and I have already had falllings out with more senior councilors over local issues, but fully expect to have further disagreements over this issue in the coming weeks and months if this war continues or escalates. If that means I have to stand next time as an independent then so be it.
Good to see that our Parish Councillors are concentrating their minds on the things that really matter to their constituents, bin collections, potholes etc. and not being sidetracked by international events. Which parish in Gaza will you be standing in? |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 17:36:39 GMT 1
Of course there are no left-wingers on Starmer's front bench and shadow cabinet. The issue isn't a left-right split more a right-wrong split. Labour front benchers rumoured to be resigning include Jess Philips and Kim Leadbetter. I'll believe that when I see it, but you never know.
Naz Shah will be going as she has spoken in favour of a ceasefire.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 15, 2023 17:45:01 GMT 1
Despite all this the polls keep going up and up for Labour - Could it be that more people in this country care about the cost of living/NHS then a war in a foreign place that we can do very little to affect? Surely not.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 15, 2023 17:46:13 GMT 1
I rest my case....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 19:17:15 GMT 1
With the splits in both the Tory and Labour parties I can’t help but think if every single MP was an independent and voted on their personal beliefs that parliament would be a heck of a lot more productive and prosperous.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 20:25:40 GMT 1
Leadbetter s**ts the bed - supports ceasefire but won't vote for it.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 20:27:20 GMT 1
Reform Party support going up. The Conservative Party in a pincer. Although, there's not going to be a 98% turn out at the election.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 21:00:05 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 21:01:11 GMT 1
I am currently a Labour member and parish/town councilor and I have already had falllings out with more senior councilors over local issues, but fully expect to have further disagreements over this issue in the coming weeks and months if this war continues or escalates. If that means I have to stand next time as an independent then so be it.
Good to see that our Parish Councillors are concentrating their minds on the things that really matter to their constituents, bin collections, potholes etc. and not being sidetracked by international events. Which parish in Gaza will you be standing in? I have already raised more concerns in the few months that I have been on the parish/town council than any other councilor, be that speed bumps, bins or wasteful spending. What issues have you brought to the attention of your local town or parish council? I would guess at eff all. More likely to make a comment on the Sloppy Stars Facebook page than actually do something constructive.
My problems occur when the Chair of the Parish Council and the Mayor and leader of the Town Council are husband and wife and she is also a cabinet member on the Borough Council with 30+ years experience in local politics. They try to tie me up in knots, but although I may be green compared to them I not an idiot and will fight for the people that put me there.
As for national and international affairs if they come up I will give my thoughts and opinions and I don't give a toss if they go against the policies of national or local leadership. You keep arguing here and on FB and have a few more years of making zero difference to anyone or anything, there's a good lad.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 15, 2023 21:30:34 GMT 1
Jess Phillip's and others now jumping ship
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 15, 2023 22:19:50 GMT 1
10 resignations? all junior positions, none in the shadow cabinet. 56 defied the whip. Again no great harm I think.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 16, 2023 10:55:06 GMT 1
Not sure about that. I think it could well strengthen his position. You have to consider the absolute state of some of the politicians within the Labour party and their stance on a certain topics. The concern is just how much this section of the Labour party is going direct Labour policy once they are in government. If he is seen to hold his ground on Israel then I think it will provide some encouragement that he's not going to be in the thrall of the more, for want of a better term, loonier elements of the party. I think it provides an opportunity for him (especially with the "flip-flop" tag). Whether he takes the opportunity is another thing! Sometimes you get the feeling he doesn't need to, he can just leave others to do the work for him. Corbyn, Abbott, McDonald all sitting as independents and after last night I think not one of the SCG now sits on the Labour frontbench. Which I don't think is an altogether bad think for Starmer or Labour. And what better time for all this to happen with all the attention focused on the disarray within the Conservative party. There does seem to be an air of "operation let them do their thing" about all this, Starmer just needs to give them enough rope as it were and they'll happily oblige. I don't think last night will have harmed him too much, if at all (although time will tell of course). |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 17, 2023 19:47:48 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 23, 2023 23:44:59 GMT 1
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 24, 2023 11:06:17 GMT 1
Was actually an interesting article but it lost me at the end where it called Starmer " deceitful and shameless". No one hates the Labour party more than Labour party members themselves as the saying goes. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 25, 2023 9:22:09 GMT 1
Sharing fake news and getting called out by X / Twitter isn’t the best image 😬
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 27, 2023 18:53:17 GMT 1
Ha Ha. I still love that clip of Sunak trying to pay for petrol with a can of Coke.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 27, 2023 18:55:03 GMT 1
Was actually an interesting article but it lost me at the end where it called Starmer " deceitful and shameless". No one hates the Labour party more than Labour party members themselves as the saying goes. Deceitful and shameless is accurate. I'm rubbing my hands at the prospect of a 200+ majority for Labour at the next election and the electorate working out they've been had again. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 28, 2023 11:15:36 GMT 1
Sharing fake news and getting called out by X / Twitter isn’t the best image 😬 Embarrassing. |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 28, 2023 13:16:05 GMT 1
The toolmaker thing kills me. Starmer talks about them as if they were low paid and the lowest of the low. I knew a few toolmakers in the Black Country in the 1990s and these guys could practically dictate the hours they worked. The 1990s so nothing to do with trade union militancy.
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