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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 11, 2023 17:28:08 GMT 1
I said ' if he had no money to spend'-------- would he be any good at Hartlepool........ no.he deffo wouldn't have gone to city if they had no money------ nailed on
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 11, 2023 17:32:18 GMT 1
I said ' if he had no money to spend'-------- would he be any good at Hartlepool........ no.he deffo wouldn't have gone to city if they had no money------ nailed on He'd improve Hartlepools existing team by miles, yes. His individual player improvements are crazy! |
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Post by salop18 on Sept 11, 2023 18:14:19 GMT 1
Think we can all agree that Maguire and Henderson should be nowhere near the starting 11 of this current England team. Tomori deserves a start for England and once Toney comes back from the betting ban, we have more strike power just in case anything were to happen to Kane. See we’re hoping to persuade Evan Ferguson to play for us instead of Ireland. Would love for hat to happen as he’d be the perfect future replacement for Kane but can’t see him opting for us over his birth country
This is probably the best England team we’ve had in my lifetime, it would be a travesty if this talent is wasted and we get no trophies as a result. Unfortunately I just can’t see us getting anything with Southgate at the helm. 100% the wrong man to take us forward. Would love Pep, won’t happen though. Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie Howe or Will Still.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 11, 2023 19:47:29 GMT 1
Always find it funny that top managers are decried for hypothetically not improving lower league teams (which is obviously incorrect, I think there's a small chance Pep Guardiola might improve Hartlepool's players more than John Askey)
The real question is why that's the challenge? They're the best managers in in the world, obviously they'll plump plump the most famous and richest clubs in the world, because they're good at what they do.
Am anticipating Chirky writing a thesis on how Jude Bellingham is a fraud for going to Real Madrid rather than Stourbridge Motors, and that if Mbappe really wants to impress the punters at the Stanton House he'll move to Barrow and let's see how he does.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 11, 2023 20:02:18 GMT 1
I have hardly watched England matches for a long time, as they are just very dull, but did happen to see most of the Ukraine game and I won't be rushing back. Although I did kind of get the impression England were going through the motions a bit and not really wanting to beat Ukraine as they felt it poor form with everything they had gone through, and England almost certain to quailify from the group anyway.
Gareth Southgate seems a great bloke and totally respect the way he conducts himself and is a great ambassador for England and the FA. You kind of think if he lived next door he's the kind of bloke who would wash your car on a Sunday morning as he was doing his anyway. But the brand of football England play is so dull, and I'd actually like a bit of madness and ranting on the sidelines from the manger, and maybe have a bit of a wrestle with the oppositions goalkeeping coach in the tunnel at half time to liven things up a bit
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 11, 2023 20:28:35 GMT 1
I'll write the thesis tomorrow,watching Wales ATM👍👍😀🥳
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Post by Pilch on Sept 11, 2023 20:29:29 GMT 1
I have hardly watched England matches for a long time, as they are just very dull, but did happen to see most of the Ukraine game and I won't be rushing back. Although I did kind of get the impression England were going through the motions a bit and not really wanting to beat Ukraine as they felt it poor form with everything they had gone through, and England almost certain to quailify from the group anyway. Gareth Southgate seems a great bloke and totally respect the way he conducts himself and is a great ambassador for England and the FA. You kind of think if he lived next door he's the kind of bloke who would wash your car on a Sunday morning as he was doing his anyway. But the brand of football England play is so dull, and I'd actually like a bit of madness and ranting on the sidelines from the manger, and maybe have a bit of a wrestle with the oppositions goalkeeping coach in the tunnel at half time to liven things up a bit hasn't it always been like that ? we quite often used to fail to qualify for major tournaments or instantly flop in them, but we've now had a run of decent placed finishes bit the watching the town again, we are fed up of stability, we now want entertaining if you are ever wanting to get some sleep have a look on you tube of full match older England games ;-) |
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Post by mattmw on Sept 11, 2023 20:39:38 GMT 1
I have hardly watched England matches for a long time, as they are just very dull, but did happen to see most of the Ukraine game and I won't be rushing back. Although I did kind of get the impression England were going through the motions a bit and not really wanting to beat Ukraine as they felt it poor form with everything they had gone through, and England almost certain to quailify from the group anyway. Gareth Southgate seems a great bloke and totally respect the way he conducts himself and is a great ambassador for England and the FA. You kind of think if he lived next door he's the kind of bloke who would wash your car on a Sunday morning as he was doing his anyway. But the brand of football England play is so dull, and I'd actually like a bit of madness and ranting on the sidelines from the manger, and maybe have a bit of a wrestle with the oppositions goalkeeping coach in the tunnel at half time to liven things up a bit hasn't it always been like that ? we quite often used to fail to qualify for major tournaments or instantly flop in them, but we've now had a run of decent placed finishes bit the watching the town again, we are fed up of stability, we now want entertaining if you are ever wanting to get some sleep have a look on you tube of full match older England games ;-) Oddly I think I found the England side of the 80s more entertaining than now, even though they were worse in qualifying for tournaments than they are now. Players like Hoddle, Waddle, Barnes and a bit earlier in Keegan and Brooking always seemed a bit exotic compared to the Town side of the time. I guess international football was a bit more exotic than today with lots of unknown names playing for the opposition, where as now half the internationals play in England anyway so are all quite familar. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 11, 2023 21:16:16 GMT 1
hasn't it always been like that ? we quite often used to fail to qualify for major tournaments or instantly flop in them, but we've now had a run of decent placed finishes bit the watching the town again, we are fed up of stability, we now want entertaining if you are ever wanting to get some sleep have a look on you tube of full match older England games ;-) Oddly I think I found the England side of the 80s more entertaining than now, even though they were worse in qualifying for tournaments than they are now. Players like Hoddle, Waddle, Barnes and a bit earlier in Keegan and Brooking always seemed a bit exotic compared to the Town side of the time. I guess international football was a bit more exotic than today with lots of unknown names playing for the opposition, where as now half the internationals play in England anyway so are all quite familar. 1980 Belgium, out after 2 games after Italy Belgium could play out a draw to see us off and they did 82 spain, great game v France but then 2 x 0-0 in a group of 3 saw us going home 84 euros, no show failed to qualify 86 Mexico, the hand of god World Cup but up until then, the first 2 group games would be unforgivable today lost to Portugal when they were dormant and drew with Morocco, no goals scored so far we needed to beat Poland 3-0 and did, the game that made Lineker who he is today as he explained on a pod I heard today we then strolled past Paraguay until meeting argentina 88 euros , played 3, battered 3 times, total humiliation, and yet bobby Robson kept his job into the 90s 90 World Cup, when I went to usa earlier this year I watched a film about bobby Robson, more than a manager ( if you can find it watch it, its amazing, it also shows how the media hounded Englands slow start in Italy and gave bobby Robson s**te that really hurt him ) euro 92, England once again bottom of their group without a win World Cup 94, failed again to qualify. ( Taylor the turnip, that hurt him so much too ) and fans are moaning at the moment, makes me laugh with a confused look and if you need any more reasons why Southgate is the best man at the moment here you are England Sam Allardyce (2016), 1 Match England Roy Hodgson (2012-2016), 56 Matches England Stuart Pearce (2012), 1 Match Italy Fabio Capello (2008-2011), 42 Matches England Steve McClaren (2006-2007), 18 Matches Sweden Sven-Göran Eriksson (2001-2006), 67 Matches England Peter Taylor (2000), 1 Match England Kevin Keegan (1999-2000), 18 Matches England Howard Wilkinson (1999-2000), 2 Matches England Glenn Hoddle (1996-1998), 28 Matches |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 21:17:54 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter who’s in charge, England qualifiers will never be entertaining due to the nature of the beast - we’re a top seed and so unless we ruthlessly smash the opponents we’re underperforming. In all my time as a football fan the only qualifier I can really remember that got the nation buzzing was the 5-1 in Germany.
Southgate’s been good for England imo but if he stays past Euro 24 he’s at severe risk of overstaying his welcome. I think despite misgivings over selections, England have been a better, more united and more fun side to support under him than any of his predecessors.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 11, 2023 21:23:31 GMT 1
In a way Southgate is a victim of his own success.
During the 'Golden Generation', the England squad was hyped up and we had high expectations because of that hype and course we were continually let down. The following managers/performances seemed to get worse and expectations dropped, people were finally accepting that we aren't a top tier nation in international football.
Southgate came in, provided some stability and gave us some pride back. He of course reached a Semi Final and a Final but fell short at the final hurdle. There are those who recognise he's done better than most before him, but there are those who are now asking what we can do to get to that next level. When we have quite a lot of young talent (particularly in attack) then people will naturally question whether a better manager could use them better.
I can understand Southgate being loyal to the players but sticking with a 33 year old Jordan Henderson who plays in Saudi Arabia and Harry Maguire who is on the bench for Man Utd, well it's only going to result in fans/the media questioning him.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 11, 2023 21:33:27 GMT 1
Oddly I think I found the England side of the 80s more entertaining than now, even though they were worse in qualifying for tournaments than they are now. Players like Hoddle, Waddle, Barnes and a bit earlier in Keegan and Brooking always seemed a bit exotic compared to the Town side of the time. I guess international football was a bit more exotic than today with lots of unknown names playing for the opposition, where as now half the internationals play in England anyway so are all quite familar. 1980 Belgium, out after 2 games after Italy Belgium could play out a draw to see us off and they did 82 spain, great game v France but then 2 x 0-0 in a group of 3 saw us going home 84 euros, no show failed to qualify 86 Mexico, the hand of god World Cup but up until then, the first 2 group games would be unforgivable today lost to Portugal when they were dormant and drew with Morocco, no goals scored so far we needed to beat Poland 3-0 and did, the game that made Lineker who he is today as he explained on a pod I heard today we then strolled past Paraguay until meeting argentina 88 euros , played 3, battered 3 times, total humiliation, and yet bobby Robson kept his job into the 90s 90 World Cup, when I went to usa earlier this year I watched a film about bobby Robson, more than a manager ( if you can find it watch it, its amazing, it also shows how the media hounded Englands slow start in Italy and gave bobby Robson s**te that really hurt him ) euro 92, England once again bottom of their group without a win World Cup 94, failed again to qualify. ( Taylor the turnip, that hurt him so much too ) and fans are moaning at the moment, makes me laugh with a confused look and if you need any more reasons why Southgate is the best man at the moment here you are England Sam Allardyce (2016), 1 Match England Roy Hodgson (2012-2016), 56 Matches England Stuart Pearce (2012), 1 Match Italy Fabio Capello (2008-2011), 42 Matches England Steve McClaren (2006-2007), 18 Matches Sweden Sven-Göran Eriksson (2001-2006), 67 Matches England Peter Taylor (2000), 1 Match England Kevin Keegan (1999-2000), 18 Matches England Howard Wilkinson (1999-2000), 2 Matches England Glenn Hoddle (1996-1998), 28 Matches I'm not knocking Southgates record just that a lot of its not very memorable. It might be my life long support for town that has given me a preference for glorious faliure over success, but those tournaments of the 80s you mention are far more memorable in my mind than anything from the more recent years. I know we got knocked out of the World Cup by France but would struggle to say who else we played, and I'd forgotten half those people even managed England. That said I'm also pretty disinterested in much of the Premier League to. I guess its a bit like music in that the music of your younger days always seems more exciting than the present day, despite the quality and variety of music now far exceeding what was around in the 70s and 80s I guess its a bit like music that the era you grew up in was always the best. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 11, 2023 21:33:49 GMT 1
In a way Southgate is a victim of his own success. During the 'Golden Generation', the England squad was hyped up and we had high expectations because of that hype and course we were continually let down. The following managers/performances seemed to get worse and expectations dropped, people were finally accepting that we aren't a top tier nation in international football. Southgate came in, provided some stability and gave us some pride back. He of course reached a Semi Final and a Final but fell short at the final hurdle. There are those who recognise he's done better than most before him, but there are those who are now asking what we can do to get to that next level. When we have quite a lot of young talent (particularly in attack) then people will naturally question whether a better manager could use them better. I can understand Southgate being loyal to the players but sticking with a 33 year old Jordan Henderson who plays in Saudi Arabia and Harry Maguire who is on the bench for Man Utd, well it's only going to result in fans/the media questioning him. Did it matter when maguire was playing for United and henderson for Liverpool ? Depending where the england game is played Liverpool or United played have been booed before the games Bit like our manager at town , the guy is on a loser from day one as his face didn't fit , |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 11, 2023 21:46:06 GMT 1
Let's hope Matty Taylor proves em all wrong then👍
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 12, 2023 8:40:57 GMT 1
In a way Southgate is a victim of his own success. During the 'Golden Generation', the England squad was hyped up and we had high expectations because of that hype and course we were continually let down. The following managers/performances seemed to get worse and expectations dropped, people were finally accepting that we aren't a top tier nation in international football. Southgate came in, provided some stability and gave us some pride back. He of course reached a Semi Final and a Final but fell short at the final hurdle. There are those who recognise he's done better than most before him, but there are those who are now asking what we can do to get to that next level. When we have quite a lot of young talent (particularly in attack) then people will naturally question whether a better manager could use them better. I can understand Southgate being loyal to the players but sticking with a 33 year old Jordan Henderson who plays in Saudi Arabia and Harry Maguire who is on the bench for Man Utd, well it's only going to result in fans/the media questioning him. Did it matter when maguire was playing for United and henderson for Liverpool ? Depending where the england game is played Liverpool or United played have been booed before the games Bit like our manager at town , the guy is on a loser from day one as his face didn't fit , Yes it did matter. When they are playing regularly for two of the biggest sides in the county then it's not a surprise when they are called up to represent England. When one is on the bench and the other is playing in a retirement league then they should no longer be considered automatic choices for England. And yes Liverpool and Man Utd players have been booed when playing for the national side, pathetic if you ask me but sadly that's the tribal nature of football fans in this country. I'm struggling to see your point on the final line, I'm not sure whether you are referring to Henderson, Magure or Southgate. If its the latter then he's generally been a popular manager for us. |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 12, 2023 9:18:39 GMT 1
Did it matter when maguire was playing for United and henderson for Liverpool ? Depending where the england game is played Liverpool or United played have been booed before the games Bit like our manager at town , the guy is on a loser from day one as his face didn't fit , Yes it did matter. When they are playing regularly for two of the biggest sides in the county then it's not a surprise when they are called up to represent England. When one is on the bench and the other is playing in a retirement league then they should no longer be considered automatic choices for England. And yes Liverpool and Man Utd players have been booed when playing for the national side, pathetic if you ask me but sadly that's the tribal nature of football fans in this country. I'm struggling to see your point on the final line, I'm not sure whether you are referring to Henderson, Magure or Southgate. If it’s the latter then he's generally been a popular manager for us. Possibly Matt Taylor? But don’t see that he’s not popular, just new settling a new team in. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 12, 2023 10:08:20 GMT 1
Yes it did matter. When they are playing regularly for two of the biggest sides in the county then it's not a surprise when they are called up to represent England. When one is on the bench and the other is playing in a retirement league then they should no longer be considered automatic choices for England. And yes Liverpool and Man Utd players have been booed when playing for the national side, pathetic if you ask me but sadly that's the tribal nature of football fans in this country. I'm struggling to see your point on the final line, I'm not sure whether you are referring to Henderson, Magure or Southgate. If it’s the latter then he's generally been a popular manager for us. Possibly Matt Taylor? But don’t see that he’s not popular, just new settling a new team in. I was likening our manager to southgate yes There are fans who base their debate on just the result , it's it's a defeat it's shocking , if it's a draw we Should have won , if we win we should have won anyway but didn't win well enough Lose lose lose situation |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 12, 2023 10:47:41 GMT 1
Possibly Matt Taylor? But don’t see that he’s not popular, just new settling a new team in. I was likening our manager to southgate yes There are fans who base their debate on just the result , it's it's a defeat it's shocking , if it's a draw we Should have won , if we win we should have won anyway but didn't win well enough Lose lose lose situation Of course there are fans who moan when things are bad and refuse to give any credit when things are going well, that's not exclusive to Matt Taylor or Gareth Southgate. I've known Salop fans who have done nothing but moan at every manager and I wonder why they bother to choose spending their time and money on something they seem to get no enjoyment from. But those fans are in the minority and most football supporters are sensible enough to give credit/praise when it's due and raise questions/challenge when warranted. In Southgate's case, the questions some fans are asking are whether he should be playing players such as Henderson/Maguire and whether a different manager could get us to that next level of actually winning something. There will be plenty who back him and then there are some who think we could do better than him. I guess we will eventually find out whether those in the latter camp are right or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:13:05 GMT 1
This story sort of sums up Southgate’s shortcomings and unease with England’s most technically gifted players - www.bbc.com/sport/football/66781875.ampIt’s been a similar story with Alexander-Arnold, Grealish and others, he’s always preffered the more functional, rigid players but I guess as a manager he knows exactly what he’ll get from the likes of Henderson, Phillips, Maguire, Mount etc and he’s comfortable with that. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 12, 2023 12:27:12 GMT 1
Could only play Trent Arnold in midfield...... he's no good at right back,walker all day for me,or wan bissaka
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 15, 2024 20:24:16 GMT 1
There's more chance of Pep getting pregnant than there is of him becoming England manager. We'll pin this comment for future reference 👍  |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 15, 2024 20:42:22 GMT 1
We'll pin this comment for future reference 👍 nice one a man of my own heart  |
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 15, 2024 21:32:15 GMT 1
But who is the daddy?? 😲
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