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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 14:04:39 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 27, 2004 14:26:51 GMT 1
Well. I've calmed down a bit and accept that the "best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley"  . But it seems to be one thing after another with STFC and reserves of patience have run very low. |
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Post by scooter on Dec 27, 2004 14:34:13 GMT 1
In the Star Peters says he doesn't think we will get fined  At the very least we will surely have to pay Bury some pretty hefty compensation for catering, stewarding, police etc. |
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Post by shakeysmagicsponge on Dec 27, 2004 14:45:40 GMT 1
But it wasn't the quickest way though. Distance maybe but time wise no chance  . So it was to pick players up that the coach went that way and nice to see the manager meeting the coach  How many supporters of ours were there and which way did they mostly travel |
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 27, 2004 14:47:20 GMT 1
spongy's back..... gp went there early to help the ref out with the match arrangements..
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Post by mattm on Dec 27, 2004 14:51:18 GMT 1
I travelled up to the Carlisle Auto Windscreen game a few seasons ago that got called off at 6.30 as Carlisle's pitch froze up at the last minute (so they said).
Kevin Ratcliffe suggested the match was called off to give Carlisle time to get their players fit and the Football League didn't fine Carlisle any money so I think its doubtful that Town will face a fine.
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Post by shakeysmagicsponge on Dec 27, 2004 14:54:39 GMT 1
yes i am and i see that sarcastic ian still works for the club. why was our manager making decisions on Bury's home game with the referee and why did the coach take that route when it isn't the quickest |
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 27, 2004 15:01:46 GMT 1
why was our manager making decisions on Bury's home game with the referee yes i am still sarcastic and you still don't read the available information.... it's explained in the news story... the route is explained in the article as well... pick players up, have always done it in my time here, kev used to get picked up near chester if we were going north.. |
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Post by jamo on Dec 27, 2004 17:41:50 GMT 1
kev used to get picked up near chester if we were going north.. Which, with hindsight was a massive mistake. Should have left the t**t at the side of the road. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 18:15:48 GMT 1
I shall be drawing a line under it although won't be catching any lifts with Gary Peters to Manchester to Shrewsbury if he's taking me up the A53 (so to speak....)  Let's concentrate on the vital 3 points we need tomorrow.  |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 27, 2004 23:20:39 GMT 1
If people on this board hadn't asked the relevant questions thenthis statement wouldn't have been made.
Don't forget; it's our football club. Nobody else's.
I note that the electric signs between junctions 14 and 15 were either missed or were not giving the information that Dale saw 30 minutes later, and one and a half hours after the crash.
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 27, 2004 23:31:19 GMT 1
It still wouldn't have heart the club to apologise to the fans who had made the journey.
Even if it wasn't their fault, a little bit of respect wouldn't go a miss, just to let us know that they wore disappointed for us not seeing any football. and for wasting a day.
I know that the people in the crash couldn't have helped what happend, but we still wasted a day and were let down.
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Post by rob on Dec 28, 2004 0:10:39 GMT 1
if something that was completely out of your control went wrong and as a result if affected you keeping a commitment, which resulted in you being unfairly slated would you be inclined to apoligise?
I think most people would give their side of events before telling 'em where to go...
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 28, 2004 0:20:37 GMT 1
if something that was completely out of your control went wrong and as a result if affected you keeping a commitment, which resulted in you being unfairly slated would you be inclined to apoligise? I think most people would give their side of events before telling 'em where to go... Well, could they have avoided it ? surley there were signs and warnings about before they got to junc 16-17? In the past the club have promised us reduced prices to special 'round 1' cup games, but they havent happend, I think the board take us for granted sometimes. I acknowledge that the club can't mind read and see into the future, but they must have known about this accident, and maybe they could have avoided it. by picking up players at a quiter location, either closer to shrewsbury or bury. instead of in the middle of a motorway which is usually always busy and sometimes grid locked. If 500+ fans can work around it then it can't be that hard, although then there is the problem of picking up the players based in that area.... which takes me back to picking them up somewhere closer to bury or shrewsbury. me, my dad and cuzz managed it, ok we haven't got a bus load of players being picked up across the midlands, but just a quick statement saying that they acknowledge our loyal support and time and effort in getting to the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2004 0:33:59 GMT 1
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 28, 2004 0:37:15 GMT 1
does anybody read the bloody statements, the first they heard about it was after they had passed junction 15, to bloody late to do anything, Obviously didn't read that bit properly, sorry |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2004 1:18:19 GMT 1
I know of a few Town fans who went to Bury via the M6 (and got stuck too) - they probably thought it would be the safest route as it was a major route that would get gritted first.
I wonder, if the Town bus had gone via the A5 etc and had been in a similar situation being held up whether people would then suggest they should have used the M6 instead. I'd imagine the answer would be yes.
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Post by rob on Dec 28, 2004 2:39:20 GMT 1
As has been stated 1million times before virtually all clubs pick players up via motorway stations on away games. Left foot forward, kicking in the wind, and left foot in the grave (think thats it) are all books written about nationwide league clubs.... Its common practice. PMSL-can't believe the club have been criticised for travelling on the motorway, maybe if they'd been on a b-road at the back end of longdon common I'd have understood. Maybe the club should start hireing private jets to fly the team to away games???  |
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Post by alecwillis on Dec 28, 2004 9:30:19 GMT 1
"Maybe the club should start hireing private jets to fly the team to away games "
Mind you Man U chartered a jet for a European Cup tie which led to them trying to take off in a snowstorm in Munich
Is there anyone on this board who hasn't missed a work commitment due to unforseen Motorway holdups?
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Post by Parker on Dec 28, 2004 9:59:11 GMT 1
Having read all that has been said on this thread I feel I must add my bit.
Blueandamber makes a very good point about the coach surely knowing about the accident before it got back on at j15.
On Monday I was picking people up from Princess Risborough (off J8a M40) Picked up there 10.30. Got on M40 north around 11.00. Signs already showing M6 closed J16. These signs continued to show all the way up to J10a M54, no doubt continuing further, but i obv then came along the M54. Also along the 54 I could see signs on the other side advising of the closure too. I have to say I find it very hard to believe that the coach would not have known it would get stuck getting back on M6 north J15 at 11.30.
Also Paul D. I know what the statement says, and if it were true then fair enough, but given what I saw on Monday I wonder, I really do.
Also I am sure someone else has posted that they themselves got off at J15 cos they knew of the problem and still got to Bury in plenty of time. If they did .....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2004 10:17:55 GMT 1
I can't fathom why people are complaining tha the town bus didn't take the 'quickest' root.
The bus left early enough that, if there had been a clear run on the roads, it could have gone on a tour of south wales and still arrived at Bury on time.
An unfortunate accident caused the bus to be late, nobody can be blamed IMO
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Post by MartinB on Dec 28, 2004 10:22:10 GMT 1
Totally agree Phil. Only reason for wanting to get stuck is to call the game off. I can't believe that for one moment.
If we had wanted the game called off Gary Peters would have refused the request to make the pitch smaller.
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Post by Parker on Dec 28, 2004 10:29:08 GMT 1
Please npte that I am not complaining about the route the bus took.
However, the decision to get on the M6 northbound at 11.30 is somewhat suprising (see earlier post).
I must admit though, Things happen, coach got stuck, for whatever reason. Nowhere to go and therefore late. End of story. Dont think we should be fined or have to pay compo.
Would love a one to one with the excuse of a coach driver though.
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Post by alan rivers on Dec 28, 2004 11:10:31 GMT 1
sorry mr parker i forgot to pack the crystal ball
we were behind the crash past the previous junction and thus stuck for four hours whilst the air ambulance took the people to hospital and the police cleared the road
why cant you or the others read and understand the coach had passed the junction...? I dont think you get the seriousness of this.. 5 mins earlier and we could have had an over turned bus with dead players and management on it
im off to sort the kit out now
up the town
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Dec 28, 2004 12:22:40 GMT 1
I have to laugh at some of the rubbish spouted over the coach journey, this practice of picking up players on route is done by stacks of clubs, another one that has come out was it was deliberate, does that mean the club are going to be done for attempted manslaugher/murder for arranging the accident, that what it was an accident.
no it was not the quickest route, but the time allowed was more than enough under normal circumstances to get to the game before time, if some one on this board new that the accident was going to happen then please make yourself known as your special talent could save many lives................
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Post by scooter on Dec 28, 2004 12:50:01 GMT 1
Were the players being picked up at junctions (as Ian Whit said in one of his posts) or at the Services ? if they were at the Services they were in the worst place to continue on their own. If they were not actually on the Motorway they could have driven to Bury.
It seems to me that the coach should have diverted and told those players to drive to Bury. If they were only 10 mins behind the accident, then as Duncan says, it was cleared in time for him to go through and still be in Bury by 2-30
BUT there would then be a real possibility of us ending up there without some of our players. So did we risk it and make sure it was everyone there or game off.
IF that is the case we will get hammered. I think there will be a lot more discussion about this yet.
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 28, 2004 12:59:43 GMT 1
It still wouldn't have heart the club to apologise to the fans who had made the journey. bill said in the interview i did that the club appologised, i chose not to put it in as i didn't think it was right to appologise as people were hurt in the accident.. sean, it's not a statement and yes it would have gone up if no one had mentioned a thing on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2004 13:21:57 GMT 1
Guys, what happened re Bury has now been argued to death, and irrespective of your views it did not occur intentionally. Don't you think it's about time everyone moved on.
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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Dec 28, 2004 13:31:11 GMT 1
How can you blame the coach driver for the players not arriving at the ground?
Do you not think he would have avoided the congestion if he could?
If it's easy to avoid accidents like this, then why do we have tailbacks on motorways anyway?
How many other vehicles were stuck on the M6?
Why did THEY not take the necessary action to avoid getting stuck? or were their crystal balls cloudy also!!!
Come on you moaning lot give the club a break.......lets get behind them today.....we need the points....the players need a good atmosphere today.
Come on Salop
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. So it was to pick players up that the coach went that way and nice to see the manager meeting the coach 
