|
|
Post by northwestman on Feb 8, 2023 10:37:25 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on Feb 8, 2023 15:35:24 GMT 1
"The MP had apparently phoned the man in advance, telling him to “make out you know who I am, that you know I’m the candidate but not that you are a friend”.
This is really scraping the barrel!
|
|
|
|
Post by block12massive on Feb 8, 2023 17:39:08 GMT 1
A working class former miner doing well for themselves is normally something the Labour left would celebrate.
Instead, it's 'scraping the barrel'.
|
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 8, 2023 18:09:20 GMT 1
People in glass houses and all that, I think you could level the barrel jibe at all the political parties currently represented in parliament.
Still, it was funny that he set up his mate to be interviewed on his doorstep.
But saying that, it's good to have people of his background in parliament. For all the criticism thrown his way he has lived in the real world as it were. Which isn't the case for a good few (if not the majority of MP's)
|
|
|
|
Post by staffordshrew on Feb 8, 2023 19:24:28 GMT 1
A working class former miner doing well for themselves is normally something the Labour left would celebrate. Instead, it's 'scraping the barrel'. I long for a bit of decency in a poitician no matter what their background or politics, Am I asking too much? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 8:17:06 GMT 1
The guy has one term MP written all over him.
Funny how the right of the Labour party (of which he was a member) were throwing around accusations of anti-Semitism towards anyone who had the temerity to criticise Israel, but it was this guy who was investigated over spreading George Soros conspiracy theories and being a Tommy Ten Names fan.
|
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Feb 9, 2023 10:51:29 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Feb 9, 2023 10:57:15 GMT 1
This is what Anderson told the Spectator in the interview about the small boats. Describing a recent visit to Calais where he saw migrants hoping to come to the UK, he said:
They are seeing a country where the streets are paved with gold – where, once you land, they are not in that manky little ****ing scruffy tent. They are going to be in a four-star hotel! And they know that Serco is buying up houses everywhere, to put them in for the next five years. Why wouldn’t you come?
I’d send them straight back the same day. I’d put them on a Royal Navy frigate or whatever and sail it to Calais, have a standoff. And they’d just stop coming.
|
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Feb 9, 2023 11:54:35 GMT 1
Yet another delightful member of the Tory party.
They say people get the government they deserve - heaven knows what we’ve done to deserve this bunch but it must be something pretty damming.
|
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Feb 9, 2023 12:40:47 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 9, 2023 13:28:40 GMT 1
Absolute state of this... You can perhaps get a glimpse of why he was elected here...  He's in the news again this morning after a BBC interview where he was challenged on his doorstep friend. I dunno, could be because of who he is but he might well be forever on the defensive because he is a bit of a fish out of water (I mean I think its fair to say he is from a working class background and that is far from the environment he now finds himself in) but he ought to lighten up on that incident. I think that would play better. Just take it on the chin, laugh about it, apologise and say lessons have been leant. Do think his constituency will be one to watch come the next election. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 14:28:22 GMT 1
What even is deputy chair? Is it just a figurehead role to appeal to those on the right of the party, where he has no actual responsibilities and just has a greater platform to spread his rhetoric?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 19:16:56 GMT 1
The scariest part: A recent YouGov survey suggested 30% of people believe the death penalty should be reintroduced in all cases of murder, with the figure rising to 52% in cases of multiple murder.
Prof Tim Bale, from Queen Mary University of London, said Mr Anderson was "almost certainly speaking for the majority of Conservative members".
A survey of 1,191 members, carried out as part of his work on Tory Party membership after the 2019 general election, found 53% agreed that "for some crimes, the death penalty is the most appropriate sentence".
S**t the effin' bed, some of these Tories are dangerous. We need to get them out before they turn this country into a full on banana republic.
|
|
|
|
Post by block12massive on Feb 10, 2023 10:11:14 GMT 1
The scariest part: A recent YouGov survey suggested 30% of people believe the death penalty should be reintroduced in all cases of murder, with the figure rising to 52% in cases of multiple murder.
Prof Tim Bale, from Queen Mary University of London, said Mr Anderson was "almost certainly speaking for the majority of Conservative members".
A survey of 1,191 members, carried out as part of his work on Tory Party membership after the 2019 general election, found 53% agreed that "for some crimes, the death penalty is the most appropriate sentence".
S**t the effin' bed, some of these Tories are dangerous. We need to get them out before they turn this country into a full on banana republic. From the same poll, 49% favoured the death penalty for murder of children and people guilty of terror attacks. I'd love to hear your rationale for taking the opposite view. I mean you single the Tories out for being 'dangerous' but spare any criticism for people like Mark Bridger, Ian Huntley or Michael Adebowale for whom I'd imagine most people had in mind when contemplating their answer to the Yougov poll. The Labour party might want to start taking on board what the general populous might think on issues of national concern rather than forcing their minority rights culture wars on everyone. |
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 10, 2023 10:20:47 GMT 1
The scariest part: A recent YouGov survey suggested 30% of people believe the death penalty should be reintroduced in all cases of murder, with the figure rising to 52% in cases of multiple murder.
Prof Tim Bale, from Queen Mary University of London, said Mr Anderson was "almost certainly speaking for the majority of Conservative members".
A survey of 1,191 members, carried out as part of his work on Tory Party membership after the 2019 general election, found 53% agreed that "for some crimes, the death penalty is the most appropriate sentence".
S**t the effin' bed, some of these Tories are dangerous. We need to get them out before they turn this country into a full on banana republic. From the same poll, 49% favoured the death penalty for murder of children and people guilty of terror attacks. I'd love to hear your rationale for taking the opposite view. I mean you single the Tories out for being 'dangerous' but spare any criticism for people like Mark Bridger, Ian Huntley or Michael Adebowale for whom I'd imagine most people had in mind when contemplating their answer to the Yougov poll. The Labour party might want to start taking on board what the general populous might think on issues of national concern rather than forcing their minority rights culture wars on everyone. I'm sure plenty of the population would have supported the death penalty when it came to those who murdered Lee Rigby and I think that was one example Anderson gave. Can't say I would have had any qualms about that myself. Although I appreciate not everything is as so cut and dry. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 19:49:23 GMT 1
From the same poll, 49% favoured the death penalty for murder of children and people guilty of terror attacks. I'd love to hear your rationale for taking the opposite view. I mean you single the Tories out for being 'dangerous' but spare any criticism for people like Mark Bridger, Ian Huntley or Michael Adebowale for whom I'd imagine most people had in mind when contemplating their answer to the Yougov poll. The Labour party might want to start taking on board what the general populous might think on issues of national concern rather than forcing their minority rights culture wars on everyone. I'm sure plenty of the population would have supported the death penalty when it came to those who murdered Lee Rigby and I think that was one example Anderson gave. Can't say I would have had any qualms about that myself. Although I appreciate not everything is as so cut and dry. The same people would no doubt have been happy to see the Birmingham 6 or the Guildford 4 get death penalties. Donald Trump took out a full page advert in the NY Times calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5. There's 15 innocent people without even thinking about it that some people would have happily let the state kill. I'd be willing to wager that both of you condemn the death sentences carried out in Iran, but would you kindly tell me what makes us any better if we kill people. Heinous crimes need punishment to fit the bill, on that we can agree, but full term life sentences are enough in my opinion. Doesn't that famous book of fairy stories and fables tell us that killing is wrong and something about casting the first stone? |
|
|
|
Post by frankwellshrews on Feb 10, 2023 20:56:00 GMT 1
Beyond anything else, reintroducing the death penalty will be extremely costly for little tangible benefit beyond satisfying a desire for righteous anger of a subsection of the population.
We already have a wealth of info on this. Verdicts are wrong too frequently, armies of expensive lawyers get involved in endless appeals and rubber stamping everything to make sure we're as sure as possible and it's doubtful that it's even a particularly successful deterrent.
The idea of marching the offender out of the courtroom and putting a bullet in their head is pure fantasy (actually more like the stuff of nightmares). It's oddly incongruent with the small state, libertarian nonsense its supporters trend towards.
Anderson himself is at best dangerously naive and at worst plain dangerous;
His performative outrage over stuff like "the knee" and Eddie Izzard is just dull. I can't see this as a move to win over anyone new; seems like a desperate roll of the dice that getting him out there more might appeal to "common sense" Red Wall voters - an incredibly patronising notion in and of itself.
|
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 11, 2023 10:07:15 GMT 1
The more I read about him the more I come to understand him. I think he very much embodies what has come about in my own constituency back home. A constituency with a mining and Labour background but eventually looked to the Tories. He comes across as someone who has very much what I would call traditional Labour values but just can't be doing with the ****wits that have infiltrated Labour since (the identitarian 'left', the Momentum types). Something that goes for a great many. Or rather did perhaps with the Tories doing all they can to lose the next election. There is plenty to be critical of of course but as I mention above, people in glass houses and all that, there are plenty of MP's across the house who are far from perfect (and I mean far)... Who is Lee Anderson, the pro-death penalty Tory deputy chairman?
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on in the next election. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 8:30:48 GMT 1
Copied and pasted (with a couple of minor edits for the censors) from I See You on Facebook. Definitely worth a follow.
I see you, Lee Anderson.
Well, there we have it. It’s not even March yet and we already have a winner for the most embarrassing political photograph of the year. Look out, The Left! Here comes Lee Anderson, swinging his impotent little fists like the stunted Punch and Judy puppet he truly is. Look at him, fighting out of the far right corner, ready and willing to bop those scrounging nurses on the nose!
How cringeworthy. You poor sod, actually thinking that you’re being rewarded for your ‘authenticity’ and talent, when in fact you’re being worked furiously from within. You’re underselling yourself; that sort of consenting humiliation fetches way more than 86 grand a year on OnlyFans, y’know. That you genuinely can’t see that you’re only being fisted above the parapet because the Tory establishment are desperate to distract from their own failures is truly pathetic.
Don’t you get it? You’re nothing more than a flak magnet, yet another thick as mince contrarian elevated way beyond his double-digit IQ by a party that have nothing left in their bag of pricks. It’s been ten minutes and the Prime Minister has already had to distance himself from your moronic comments about the death penalty. Never mind ‘from the pits to Parliament.’ Your ascendancy is even more impressive than that. You’ve made basecamp at the peak of the Dunning-Krueger curve.
The hacks in the rightwing press and at GB News are already playing their part, lauding you as the working class hero you clearly aren’t. Anyone criticising your scab bulls**t is a ‘champagne socialist’ with a hatred for people of your background, easily dismissed as nothing more than metropolitan elites out of touch with the ‘silent majority.’ As if recognising you for the relentless, fraudulent arse you clearly are somehow denigrates the working poor you spend every waking moment of your time in Parliament portraying as ignorant scroungers.
The irony, when the actual insult to the working class of this country is that the posh t**ts and oligarchs pulling your strings see them as just as thick and easily manipulated as you are. Here you go, plebs! Instead of a few pay rises or public services that actually function, we’ll give you Roy Walker’s reflection in a racist funhouse mirror, just to keep you all onside and voting for us. Hmm? What’s that? You’d like some levelling up money that comes anywhere close to replacing the investment your community would have received through our membership of the EU? Quick, look over there! Lee’s filmed another social media video from just underneath his chin! Look at that instead!
Lee Anderson, telling it how it isn’t, heaping blame on charities supporting migrants when it’s his own party’s uselessness that’s created the crisis in the Channel. Is it the cost of living crisis that's led to food bank use exploding? Of course not! that’s a household budgeting issue, not the result of our disastrous economic mismanagement! Are your trousers filled with literal s**t? Well, that’s Labour’s fault, somehow! We’re the Tories, the party of personal responsibility, where after twelve years of crumbling public services and stagnant economic growth it’s somehow everyone else’s fault but ours that the country isn’t thriving!
The best bit, though? There’s actually a lot to be gained from your appointment to deputy chair, just not for the Conservatives. You’re such a bludgeon of a man, so relentlessly blunt and outspoken despite the myriad shortfalls of your intellect, that you can’t control yourself even when swinging for the top brass in your own party. Elevating you like this isn’t going to temper your delusions of grandeur. Far from it.
Rishi Sunak has just tried to shore up the foundations of the Red Wall with an arrogant buffoon that actively plays with matches when sitting on the powder kegs threatening to blow the Tories’ electoral chances to pieces. It's barely been five days since he decided you were the best possible representation of the working class, and now we're finding out you've got mates down at the scooter club who are literal Nazis. There are only two people who haven’t immediately realised what a hilarious disaster you’re going to turn out to be, Lee Anderson. You, and a mate you’ve paid off to pretend he’s never met you. You embarrassing little sham of a man.
I see you, Lee Anderson. I f**king see you. |
|
|
|
Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 13, 2023 13:57:52 GMT 1
I suppose the Tories need someone like him to try and retain the red wall, but I do hope the higher up's in the party never actually let him get in to a position of power, which they've done well so far anyway.
Just seems the complete opposite of Rishi Sunak so not sure how you square that one.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 16:03:31 GMT 1
You can see how the appointment of Lee Anderson gives weight to this opinion.
|
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 13, 2023 16:55:34 GMT 1
Having read the FT article its hardly a surprise to see Iain Anderson leave for Labour...
He opposed the UK government’s decision to block a highly contentious gender recognition law, passed by the Scottish parliament, which made it easier for a person to legally change their gender.
Anderson, chair of the LGBT charity Stonewall, said he was speaking in a personal capacity.
That you have someone from Stonewall and someone who is in favour of Scotland's GRR bill accusing others of ramping up the so called culture wars is quite frankly laughable. What exactly do they expect others to do when they have charities and politicians looking to introduce such changes that many disagree with. The lack of self awareness really is quite something.
|
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Feb 13, 2023 21:03:43 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/13/tory-vice-chair-lee-anderson-faces-libel-claim-over-bribery-allegationsA man who runs a food bank charity is pursuing a libel claim against the new vice-chair of the Conservatives, a law firm has said. Michael Hollis alleges that Lee Anderson, who once claimed that people could feed themselves on 30p a day, defamed him in a Facebook post that he later refused to take down. According to Hollis, the MP for Ashfield, who was appointed deputy Tory chair last week by Rishi Sunak, allegedly told his 35,000 followers that Hollis had exchanged cash in brown envelopes in relation to a planning application. Hollis has instructed legal firm Bindmans to pursue a libel claim against Anderson.
|
|
|
|
Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 14, 2023 12:30:47 GMT 1
I think it's very clever from the Tories. He's a Clarkson type character, someone who isn't afraid to speak their mind in a ever increasing sterile & politically correct world, of course some things are controversial but that's the whole point, he gets people talking and the reality is some of his views are popular in some quarters.
And then this is where the Tories/Anderson are really clever, because they know that they will get criticised, he will get labelled a racist, a bigot or a 'neanderthal northerner' (as someone described him), they can then play the victims, they can claim the liberal labour elite are anti-working class and how they look down their noses at anyone outside Islington and all that nonsense. Ultimately anyone who criticises him is doing exactly what the Tories want.
Yes it will get him some bad headlines and I'm sure there will be plenty more to come, but I guarantee him being thrust into the public eye will gain Tories more support and votes. I know plenty of people who are furious at the Tories for the last few years but a few more years of this type of stuff and Labour calling anyone a racist because they question the boats coming from Calais, well I suspect people will be reluctant to switch votes. Of course the Tories are completely to blame for things like the Calais crisis and failing to deal with it, but that is politics.
|
|
