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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 13:38:44 GMT 1
As with Corbyn I'm sure he will be more than happy to see the whip withdrawn. Starmer is making a big thing of breaking with the previous leadership, this is another opportunity to do so (with Abbott being a close ally of Corbyn). Although there is to be an investigation and so Abbott maybe reinstated. But every now and then the mask slips. I'm not surprised that Abbott thinks this way (I think it's a given) but I'm surprised she thought it a good idea to make these thoughts public. and it's one less Corbynite to worry about, for now. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 24, 2023 16:53:51 GMT 1
As with Corbyn I'm sure he will be more than happy to see the whip withdrawn. Starmer is making a big thing of breaking with the previous leadership, this is another opportunity to do so (with Abbott being a close ally of Corbyn). Although there is to be an investigation and so Abbott maybe reinstated. But every now and then the mask slips. I'm not surprised that Abbott thinks this way (I think it's a given) but I'm surprised she thought it a good idea to make these thoughts public. and it's one less Corbynite to worry about, for now. there are still a lot of corbynites in the party. Diane Abbot has expeienced an awful lot of racisim and mysogeny but if understood her article correctly were there is a hierachy of racisim is rather a suprising view point from somone who has experinced racisim. the whole letter is disturbing this MP thinks a prompt apology should be enough? www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/leicester-mp-comes-out-support-8381173 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 25, 2023 10:23:15 GMT 1
and it's one less Corbynite to worry about, for now. there are still a lot of corbynites in the party. Diane Abbot has expeienced an awful lot of racisim and mysogeny but if understood her article correctly were there is a hierachy of racisim is rather a suprising view point from somone who has experinced racisim. the whole letter is disturbing If you look to CRT (of which Abbott appears to be an adherent looking to her comments) then it really isn't a surprise as that is exactly what you have, a hierarchy of racism. Indeed, within this you have a belief that only certain people can be the victims of racism and only certain people can be racist. As Jews are seen a white and therefore privileged then for some people this means they can not be the victims of racism. To the extent that the racism Jews have experienced throughout history and experience to this day is (from what I understood from her letter) equated to the abuse and prejudice that people with red hair may experience. If you think about that for a moment you'll see just how insulting, insensitive and more than anything, ignorant her views are. And there is something else that I think is at play here too, I mean when I look to her comments and one or two who have come out to defend Abbott; that there seems to be some resentment driven from a need to have a monopoly on "oppression" and racism. Hence why for some, anti-Semitism is not considered as such. And we have to consider others too. For example, we know that the victims of grooming gangs were racially abused during their ordeal, we have heard this direct from the victims themselves. Yet I suspect in the opinion of Abbott and CRT advocates they have not suffered racism. I just wonder how they feel when they see someone like Abbott denying the racism they have experienced (I have no doubt she believes that white people can not experience racism). From what I see on social media many of those who are trying to defender her do make reference to the racism she herself has suffered throughout her life and career (and that should be condemned and you would hope anyone who is guilty of doing so faces the full consequences of the law) but that is no excuse for her own racism (and this is not the first time she has displayed it). Its good that many have called this out for what it is anyhow, that's encouraging at least. Because as well as anything it is incredibly divisive. As that's where identity politics tends to lead us. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 11:59:52 GMT 1
My wife's Polish parents came to live in England immediately after the war. (They were both in a displaced persons camp in Germany and did not want to return to Poland with it falling under communism rule).
They suffered racism for years and it was very very unpleasant at times, to the point of physical threats.
Both have sadly passed on but I do wonder what they would have made of Abbot's dismissive comments.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 27, 2023 20:21:05 GMT 1
bylinetimes.com/2023/04/27/keir-starmer-now-opposes-scrapping-westminsters-voting-system-for-pr-in-blow-for-reformers/Labour Leader Keir Starmer actively opposes a move to proportional representation for the House of Commons – putting him at loggerheads with the party membership and trade unions, Byline Times can reveal. Nearly 23 million votes did not count towards electing people’s MP in 2019, according to Electoral Reform Society analysis, a result that was branded “disenfranchisement on an industrial scale”. Tactical voting and electoral pacts also dominate First Past the Post elections. YouGov polling after the 2019 elections found that one in every three voters (32%) chose to vote tactically, instead of choosing their preferred party or candidate. A move to PR is viewed as likely to help smaller parties like the Liberal Democrats and the Greens. The latter achieved just one MP seat for 850,000 votes UK-wide in 2019. Leading democracy campaigner Neal Lawson – director of cross-party group Compass – said: “By opposing PR, Starmer is putting himself against the overwhelming views of his members, the views of the public and the need to renew our democracy.”
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 28, 2023 13:40:23 GMT 1
bylinetimes.com/2023/04/27/keir-starmer-now-opposes-scrapping-westminsters-voting-system-for-pr-in-blow-for-reformers/Labour Leader Keir Starmer actively opposes a move to proportional representation for the House of Commons – putting him at loggerheads with the party membership and trade unions, Byline Times can reveal. Nearly 23 million votes did not count towards electing people’s MP in 2019, according to Electoral Reform Society analysis, a result that was branded “disenfranchisement on an industrial scale”. Tactical voting and electoral pacts also dominate First Past the Post elections. YouGov polling after the 2019 elections found that one in every three voters (32%) chose to vote tactically, instead of choosing their preferred party or candidate. A move to PR is viewed as likely to help smaller parties like the Liberal Democrats and the Greens. The latter achieved just one MP seat for 850,000 votes UK-wide in 2019. Leading democracy campaigner Neal Lawson – director of cross-party group Compass – said: “By opposing PR, Starmer is putting himself against the overwhelming views of his members, the views of the public and the need to renew our democracy.” Perhaps if they all got off their art$es and voted it might help? |
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