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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 24, 2022 11:57:15 GMT 1
One of the reasons you give that people are living longer ergo the NHS is underfunded to cater for this. Where is the long promised social care report? You can always find an isolated case where someone abuses the system but you fail to mention all those who do voluntary work to make the NHS more patient friendly.
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Nov 24, 2022 15:04:44 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Nov 24, 2022 15:04:44 GMT 1
One in three GP practices are doing more appointments remotely than face-to-face, the first practice level data show.
The NHS has published new figures showing the number of in-person appointments held by every GP surgery in England.
It is the first time such data has been made public, after calls from patients and ministers for practices to be held to account for failing to see patients face-to-face.
Of the 6,170 practices which submitted data, 2,008 are holding more remote than in-person appointments - 32.4 per cent.
Before the pandemic around 80 per cent of GP appointments were held in person, roughly across the country around two-thirds of appointments now take place face-to-face.
Of the 2,008 practices at least 50.1 per cent of the GP appointments were held remotely in October.
At two practices 100 per cent of the GP-held appointments took place remotely, while 20 surgeries held between 90 and 99 per cent of their consultations by telephone or video call.
The new data breaks down GP appointments by mode, including face-to-face, home visits, telephone calls and video/online consultations.
The data also show only 2 per cent of GP practices are seeing all of their patients within two weeks.
Ministers have pledged that all patients should be able to get an appointment in a fortnight.
Of the 6,170 practices included in the analysis, just 134 saw all patients within the two week timeframe.
Speaking ahead of the data release, Steve Barclay, Health and Social Care Secretary, said: “We promised to prioritise patients and improve access and that is exactly what we have done – and this is just the start.”
Daily Telegraph.
So add Barclay to the list of Ministers churning out garbage and attempting to gaslight the population.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 15:31:52 GMT 1
The problem is, we’ve got an NHS that has been underfunded and understaffed for years. People need to make their points without peddling this lie. The NHS is funded at record levels, it's just not fit for purpose anymore in 2022 Britain like it was in 1982 Britain because of some of the below reasons: - People are living a lot longer - Social care/after care is woeful so it's a struggle to discharge patients - The NHS in general is run awfully - There's an obsession around diversity, HR drives etc rather than actually providing care I remember when I worked there, a bloke collected scrap metal. It was deemed to be on site he had to be an employee, so he had to be given a band 1 contract. He was paid 16 hours a week including 4 weeks holiday, paid sick and a pension to collect scrap that he was making a fortune on. He told me he was doing well in excess of £1,000 a week just off his 2x trips to Shrewsbury hospital a week plus his PAYE wages and benefits. That might seem a drop in the ocean and of course it is, but multiply across every NHS site and then think of all the other stupid things the NHS is doing and you start to get a picture of how pathetic the people are running these hospitals. I saw ****ing alsorts when I worked there, trust me money is NOT the answer. You are half right. Money is not the only answer. However addressing the real term cut in nurses wages, the consultant pensions fiasco, the disgrace of carers wages, etc would help stem the haemorrhage of staff that the NHS is currently suffering. Care homes can't get staff, which leads to fewer spaces at those care homes, which in turn leads to patients that are well enough to be discharged, but not well enough to go home blocking beds on the wards. Those beds are then not available to new patients, so they are stuck in A&E for hours, even days waiting for a bed. This then leads to A&E being overrun and ambulance staff being unable to off load their patients and get back on the road. It's a mess at the moment, I think we can all agree on that, but it's still far better than the alternative, which is either a two tier health service or a system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 24, 2022 16:33:25 GMT 1
People need to make their points without peddling this lie. The NHS is funded at record levels, it's just not fit for purpose anymore in 2022 Britain like it was in 1982 Britain because of some of the below reasons: - People are living a lot longer - Social care/after care is woeful so it's a struggle to discharge patients - The NHS in general is run awfully - There's an obsession around diversity, HR drives etc rather than actually providing care I remember when I worked there, a bloke collected scrap metal. It was deemed to be on site he had to be an employee, so he had to be given a band 1 contract. He was paid 16 hours a week including 4 weeks holiday, paid sick and a pension to collect scrap that he was making a fortune on. He told me he was doing well in excess of £1,000 a week just off his 2x trips to Shrewsbury hospital a week plus his PAYE wages and benefits. That might seem a drop in the ocean and of course it is, but multiply across every NHS site and then think of all the other stupid things the NHS is doing and you start to get a picture of how pathetic the people are running these hospitals. I saw ****ing alsorts when I worked there, trust me money is NOT the answer. You are half right. Money is not the only answer. However addressing the real term cut in nurses wages, the consultant pensions fiasco, the disgrace of carers wages, etc would help stem the haemorrhage of staff that the NHS is currently suffering. Care homes can't get staff, which leads to fewer spaces at those care homes, which in turn leads to patients that are well enough to be discharged, but not well enough to go home blocking beds on the wards. Those beds are then not available to new patients, so they are stuck in A&E for hours, even days waiting for a bed. This then leads to A&E being overrun and ambulance staff being unable to off load their patients and get back on the road. It's a mess at the moment, I think we can all agree on that, but it's still far better than the alternative, which is either a two tier health service or a system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment. "system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment." i was in the usa last in 1997 and stayed at a dojo and saw first hand the impact of there health care great if you are rich or your company pays the health insurance, but if you are poor or have a chronic health problem you are stuffed. you have only got to google virging health care to see how much NHS and social care have contracts have gone to private companies . we have only got to see how contracts were awarded during covid and who they went too does not inspire me to have any confidence, also during more cynical moments i fear this goverment is running the health service down to justify privatizing it www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/17/lobbying-fears-as-mps-interest-groups-receive-13m-from-private-firms"More than £13m has been poured into a growing network of MPs’ interest groups by private firms including healthcare bodies, arms companies and tech giants, fuelling concerns over the potential for backdoor influence." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 8:23:33 GMT 1
You are half right. Money is not the only answer. However addressing the real term cut in nurses wages, the consultant pensions fiasco, the disgrace of carers wages, etc would help stem the haemorrhage of staff that the NHS is currently suffering. Care homes can't get staff, which leads to fewer spaces at those care homes, which in turn leads to patients that are well enough to be discharged, but not well enough to go home blocking beds on the wards. Those beds are then not available to new patients, so they are stuck in A&E for hours, even days waiting for a bed. This then leads to A&E being overrun and ambulance staff being unable to off load their patients and get back on the road. It's a mess at the moment, I think we can all agree on that, but it's still far better than the alternative, which is either a two tier health service or a system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment. "system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment." i was in the usa last in 1997 and stayed at a dojo and saw first hand the impact of there health care great if you are rich or your company pays the health insurance, but if you are poor or have a chronic health problem you are stuffed. you have only got to google virging health care to see how much NHS and social care have contracts have gone to private companies . we have only got to see how contracts were awarded during covid and who they went too does not inspire me to have any confidence, also during more cynical moments i fear this goverment is running the health service down to justify privatizing it www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/17/lobbying-fears-as-mps-interest-groups-receive-13m-from-private-firms"More than £13m has been poured into a growing network of MPs’ interest groups by private firms including healthcare bodies, arms companies and tech giants, fuelling concerns over the potential for backdoor influence." Having had numerous holidays in the States over the years I have had a few occasions that have necessitated trips to the doctors.
One such trip I went to a clinic in Arizona that quoted me nearly $200 just to see a doctor or if I went without putting them to the trouble of going through insurance claims I could see one for $45. I went for quickest option and paid the money.
Another time I saw a doctor in Orlando and my insurance was used, but I had to pay over $35 for my antibiotic prescription out of pocket.
Even with decent health insurance in the US there are co-pays, deductibles and lack of coverage for pre-existing conditions, so many people avoid going to see doctors, because they have to pay the first few hundred dollars and then have to keep an eye on the costs in case they go over their allotted coverage and end up with bills for thousands of dollars that aren't covered. I'm on another forum that is for people that holiday in the USA and specifically Florida and one guy on there got a bill through the post, even though he was letting his insurance sort everything. The bill was for around $350 which he thought wasn't too bad for ambulance to hospital, triage, scan, seeing several doctors, one night in hospital and several other drugs and treatments. Someone kindly explained to him that that bill was most likely just for the ambulance and to expect several thousands of dollars worth of bills to come through his letterbox in the coming months. Last I read was around $12,000 and still coming.
Added to which people are forced to stay in jobs they hate, with sh**ty wages and conditions, but with some sort of health coverage, because they know if they leave that coverage goes. The is true about many relationships, with wives being tied to their husbands coverage and being unable to leave even the most broken or violent marriage.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2022 14:30:09 GMT 1
"system similar to that of the USA which sees tens of thousands of people going bankrupt every year or dying for lack of funds to pay for their treatment." i was in the usa last in 1997 and stayed at a dojo and saw first hand the impact of there health care great if you are rich or your company pays the health insurance, but if you are poor or have a chronic health problem you are stuffed. you have only got to google virging health care to see how much NHS and social care have contracts have gone to private companies . we have only got to see how contracts were awarded during covid and who they went too does not inspire me to have any confidence, also during more cynical moments i fear this goverment is running the health service down to justify privatizing it www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/17/lobbying-fears-as-mps-interest-groups-receive-13m-from-private-firms"More than £13m has been poured into a growing network of MPs’ interest groups by private firms including healthcare bodies, arms companies and tech giants, fuelling concerns over the potential for backdoor influence." Having had numerous holidays in the States over the years I have had a few occasions that have necessitated trips to the doctors.
One such trip I went to a clinic in Arizona that quoted me nearly $200 just to see a doctor or if I went without putting them to the trouble of going through insurance claims I could see one for $45. I went for quickest option and paid the money.
Another time I saw a doctor in Orlando and my insurance was used, but I had to pay over $35 for my antibiotic prescription out of pocket.
Even with decent health insurance in the US there are co-pays, deductibles and lack of coverage for pre-existing conditions, so many people avoid going to see doctors, because they have to pay the first few hundred dollars and then have to keep an eye on the costs in case they go over their allotted coverage and end up with bills for thousands of dollars that aren't covered. I'm on another forum that is for people that holiday in the USA and specifically Florida and one guy on there got a bill through the post, even though he was letting his insurance sort everything. The bill was for around $350 which he thought wasn't too bad for ambulance to hospital, triage, scan, seeing several doctors, one night in hospital and several other drugs and treatments. Someone kindly explained to him that that bill was most likely just for the ambulance and to expect several thousands of dollars worth of bills to come through his letterbox in the coming months. Last I read was around $12,000 and still coming.
Added to which people are forced to stay in jobs they hate, with sh**ty wages and conditions, but with some sort of health coverage, because they know if they leave that coverage goes. The is true about many relationships, with wives being tied to their husbands coverage and being unable to leave even the most broken or violent marriage.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 25, 2022 16:22:52 GMT 1
I'm a very good example as to why there should be face to face appointments as much as possible.
I had a doctor's appointment to deal with my gout. Whilst I was in the surgery, he checked me out for other possible issues, and established that I suffer from atrial fibrillation, for which I'm now on tablets.
A phone call from a doctor would not have discovered this.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2022 16:35:53 GMT 1
I'm a very good example as to why there should be face to face appointments as much as possible. I had a doctor's appointment to deal with my gout. Whilst I was in the surgery, he checked me out for other possible issues, and established that I suffer from atrial fibrillation, for which I'm now on tablets. A phone call from a doctor would not have discovered this. i hope you feel better soon and my concern is that many people are not getting diagnosed due to the move to phone consultations |
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Nov 25, 2022 16:53:15 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Nov 25, 2022 16:53:15 GMT 1
I'm a very good example as to why there should be face to face appointments as much as possible. I had a doctor's appointment to deal with my gout. Whilst I was in the surgery, he checked me out for other possible issues, and established that I suffer from atrial fibrillation, for which I'm now on tablets. A phone call from a doctor would not have discovered this. i hope you feel better soon and my concern is that many people are not getting diagnosed due to the move to phone consultations I've already self diagnosed myself for sciatica. I experienced a bout of sciatica quite a few years ago after playing golf. More recently, I was suffering from a similar sort of pain. After explaining my symptoms to the doctor, he prescribed me some tablets. Who knows whether I was right or wrong - it never got so far as a face to face consultation. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 25, 2022 17:08:46 GMT 1
i hope you feel better soon and my concern is that many people are not getting diagnosed due to the move to phone consultations I've already self diagnosed myself for sciatica. I experienced a bout of sciatica quite a few years ago after playing golf. More recently, I was suffering from a similar sort of pain. After explaining my symptoms to the doctor, he prescribed me some tablets. Who knows whether I was right or wrong - it never got so far as a face to face consultation. I think so much can be done without face to face, but there's still plenty of instances that require it. They need to find the right balance. |
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Nov 25, 2022 17:50:01 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2022 17:50:01 GMT 1
I've already self diagnosed myself for sciatica. I experienced a bout of sciatica quite a few years ago after playing golf. More recently, I was suffering from a similar sort of pain. After explaining my symptoms to the doctor, he prescribed me some tablets. Who knows whether I was right or wrong - it never got so far as a face to face consultation. I think so much can be done without face to face, but there's still plenty of instances that require it. They need to find the right balance. With the move to having nurse and paramedic prescribers in all GP practices , i would imagine they will also be doing the phone consultations . i would excpect to have even less face to face contact with GP's . I was at my surgery last week as i got a face to face with a GP after going to A& E with a very bad ear infection and needing more medication there 7 patients waiting 5 saw nurse 2 saw GP's www.england.nhs.uk/ahp/med-project/paramedics/A job advert at nearly half the GP salery at a chronic shortage of GP'S you can see why this is happening but equally we have a chronic shortage of Paramedics so robing Peter to pay Paul. PCN Paramedic General Practice Central Advertising - General Practitioners, Brighton Preston Park Community Primary Care Network is looking for a full time Paramedic. You will work closely with clinicians in all GP practices in our PCN and will play a vital role in increasing capacity for all appointments including home visits. You will be responsible for the provision of ... Salary: £35650.00 to £39360.00 a year Posted: 24/11/2022 Job Type: Permanent Closing Date: 01/01/2023 Staff Group: Medical & Dental Job Ref: J180-A5388-22-5118 Distance: 0.7 miles |
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Post by kenwood on Nov 25, 2022 18:43:23 GMT 1
Of course there’s always another option .
Dr Google is always happy to help .
I myself have used this excellent tool and have discovered that I am suffering from just about every ailment known to man , and a few yet to be discovered .
I’ve shared this information with my GP who has suggested that perhaps I would be better off finding another practice.
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Nov 29, 2022 11:02:53 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 29, 2022 11:02:53 GMT 1
gives you a good idea of the chalenges facing the NHS in North Wales and this is not unique to them.but it does outline the difficulties they face www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63758076 |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 29, 2022 11:13:31 GMT 1
most NHS staff are doing there best in very difficult curcumstances.but equally there are some aspects of my GP surgery that could be improved, my GP still does not offer face to face appointments. when the phones open at 8.30 by 8.31 you are 10th in a quee and you will be waiting for half an hour. most GP's are helpul and nice but we have two who have a god complex i just choose to not see them . most of the receptionists are nice and helpfull but we have two rottwillers who seems to see it as there mission to make things as difficult as possible.unfortently i had one the other day i wanted to see the nurse, i asked for an appontment i was told no and i would need to phone !!! i can be assertive but i felt annoyed and i did not wont to get irritated ,so i took a breath and left. i got in my car hte lines were down back into surgery Rottwiler was still guarding the doctors. i informed her the phones were not workng, i got a brusk I KNOW could i have an appointment my the nurse through you, i had the heavy sigh and the full eye roll! and very reluctantly i got my appointment. just as a back drop when i was there the surgery was empty.fortently most of the staff are lovely.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 6, 2022 7:40:20 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63860764BBC Wales health correspondent Doctors have described the "heartbreak" of seeing patients being treated in corridors and 14-hour ambulance wait times become "the norm". Staff morale is at "rock bottom", with many thinking about leaving the profession, a doctors' union said. There is "no way that anybody could continue working like this", consultant Nicky Leopold said. The Welsh government said it was working on a plan to deal with the pressures. BMA Cymru chairwoman Dr Iona Collins said: "Ever since the NHS has been in existence we have always been, what I feel is now in hindsight, crying wolf. "We always say 'we don't have enough staff, we don't have enough resources, patients are coming to harm' and this is what we hear, year after year. "Now, as far as I see this, the wolf is here. I don't see how things can get any worse.
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63860764BBC Wales health correspondent Doctors have described the "heartbreak" of seeing patients being treated in corridors and 14-hour ambulance wait times become "the norm". Staff morale is at "rock bottom", with many thinking about leaving the profession, a doctors' union said. There is "no way that anybody could continue working like this", consultant Nicky Leopold said. The Welsh government said it was working on a plan to deal with the pressures. BMA Cymru chairwoman Dr Iona Collins said: "Ever since the NHS has been in existence we have always been, what I feel is now in hindsight, crying wolf. "We always say 'we don't have enough staff, we don't have enough resources, patients are coming to harm' and this is what we hear, year after year. "Now, as far as I see this, the wolf is here. I don't see how things can get any worse. What do people expect where they're trying to make something work in 2022 that was fine in the 70s, but not fit for purpose now? We're living longer, there's more of us with more complex needs along with mental health issues yet the NHS is obsessing over diversity roles and more middle management. Strip it back, clear the nonsense red tape bulls**t jobs and start actually nursing again. |
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 6, 2022 11:23:03 GMT 1
i hope you feel better soon and my concern is that many people are not getting diagnosed due to the move to phone consultations I've already self diagnosed myself for sciatica. I experienced a bout of sciatica quite a few years ago after playing golf. More recently, I was suffering from a similar sort of pain. After explaining my symptoms to the doctor, he prescribed me some tablets. Who knows whether I was right or wrong - it never got so far as a face to face consultation. Had exactly the same problem back in June. Extremely painful unable to walk for 3 days. By then I’d had enough, one call to Shawbirch MP and I saw the doctor same day, confirmed sciatica prescribed pain killers and telephone appointment with Physio a week later….. I really can’t understand all this ‘telephone appointment’ only, yes I got a triage call after speaking to the receptionist but the doc said come and see me at 2.30 today. I think some surgeries have just decided to ‘protect’ themselves but mines business as usual. |
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 6, 2022 11:54:13 GMT 1
Some surgeries are protecting themselves from doing any work, the reception staff are like nightclub bouncers.
Claremont Bank Surgery has to be one of the worst, thankfully it's extremely rare I need to engage with a doctor.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 6, 2022 13:11:35 GMT 1
Of course there’s always another option . Dr Google is always happy to help . I myself have used this excellent tool and have discovered that I am suffering from just about every ailment known to man , and a few yet to be discovered . I’ve shared this information with my GP who has suggested that perhaps I would be better off finding another practice. Not very nice is it . I got "Use this one tip to lose 20ib of ugly fat, cut off your head". Then i got another one that turned out to be "Use this one tip to lose £20". |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 6, 2022 15:56:40 GMT 1
What do people expect where they're trying to make something work in 2022 that was fine in the 70s, but not fit for purpose now? We're living longer, there's more of us with more complex needs along with mental health issues yet the NHS is obsessing over diversity roles and more middle management. Strip it back, clear the nonsense red tape bulls**t jobs and start actually nursing again. I agree with the opening statement that the NHS is outdated, however getting rid of some middle managers and diversity roles is not going to make a slightest bit of difference. But they are an easy target, particularly for those MP's who can shout it knowing it won't make the slightest bit of difference, however it will get them headlines in the paper. As others have said there are lots of factors that come in to play and there needs to be a full review of the health & care system in this country which incorporates all elements to come up with an integrated plan. However, it won't happen because it will cost billions and years to implement but perhaps more importantly there are people who don't want to push for it because if it fails then it is political suicide. Instead there will be lots of little ideas & gimmicks thrown about which are effectively sticking plasters, plus of course promises of more funding which is just a drop in the ocean for such a huge organisation. Personally I've known more deaths through family, friends, work colleagues, fellow supporters, etc. in the last 12 months than any other time in my life, which is some statement considering we've just lived through a pandemic. Some of that may just be coincidence and it's the luck of the draw, but I wonder how much of it is down to people not getting access to the help they need, that is ultimately the failure of the health service in this country. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 6, 2022 16:15:49 GMT 1
What do people expect where they're trying to make something work in 2022 that was fine in the 70s, but not fit for purpose now? We're living longer, there's more of us with more complex needs along with mental health issues yet the NHS is obsessing over diversity roles and more middle management. Strip it back, clear the nonsense red tape bulls**t jobs and start actually nursing again. I agree with the opening statement that the NHS is outdated, however getting rid of some middle managers and diversity roles is not going to make a slightest bit of difference. But they are an easy target, particularly for those MP's who can shout it knowing it won't make the slightest bit of difference, however it will get them headlines in the paper. As others have said there are lots of factors that come in to play and there needs to be a full review of the health & care system in this country which incorporates all elements to come up with an integrated plan. However, it won't happen because it will cost billions and years to implement but perhaps more importantly there are people who don't want to push for it because if it fails then it is political suicide. Instead there will be lots of little ideas & gimmicks thrown about which are effectively sticking plasters, plus of course promises of more funding which is just a drop in the ocean for such a huge organisation. Personally I've known more deaths through family, friends, work colleagues, fellow supporters, etc. in the last 12 months than any other time in my life, which is some statement considering we've just lived through a pandemic. Some of that may just be coincidence and it's the luck of the draw, but I wonder how much of it is down to people not getting access to the help they need, that is ultimately the failure of the health service in this country. i agree we do need a proper review but one that involves all parts of the nhs and service users groups . thre is no quick fix solution and we need a plan to make the nhs meet the needs of the population. i support the NHS and do not want a US style insurance healkth scheme but this is a huge amount of money and i dont think we are getting value for money. google By 2021, healthcare expenditure in the UK amounted to 11.9 percent of the GDP. uk gdp 3.187 trillion USD (2021) www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 6, 2022 16:34:02 GMT 1
i have a friend who works in another county in mental health , he works for IAPT ( increased access to psychological threapies) in a health hub including a GP and a mental health team, all three have computure systems but non cant talk to each other. the GP's are upstairs and send a referral via fax or letter. bearing in mind they all work in a new hub such a basic thing should have been sorted out.
but then today i was at Shrewsbury A&E and have been refrerred to the ear nose and throat at Telford. she printed a letter to take with me, i enquired had telford recived it electronically but it seems they are on a different system ? but my GP was able to recive it
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Post by northwestman on Dec 6, 2022 21:32:20 GMT 1
Is it time to admit that the policy of “protecting the NHS” during the Covid pandemic was a dismal failure? We were told to stay at home to prevent the health service from collapsing. Non-Covid treatments were cancelled to allow doctors and nurses to focus on the virus, while people stayed away of their own accord. Lockdown imposed vast costs on society and the economy. But the NHS wasn’t saved. People didn’t stop becoming unwell from diseases other than Covid. And now, predictably, the health service is falling apart.
Alarming new figures published today by the OECD show the scale of the disaster. The NHS shut down more services in 2020 than almost any other health service in Europe. In Germany, for example, the number of diagnostic scans for cancer fell by just 0.3 per cent compared to the previous year, but in the UK they dropped by 15 per cent. The drop in cancer surgery was even greater, at 25 per cent, the biggest fall in any European country except Romania.
According to Macmillan Cancer Support, around 30,000 fewer people in England started cancer treatment between March and August 2020 than in the same period in 2019. Two years on, the UK is counting the tragic cost in additional deaths and a health service struggling to catch up. As the country with one of the worst records in cancer survival in Europe before Covid, the UK now lags yet further behind.
As we know, it’s not just cancer services that fell by the wayside, but almost every other aspect of NHS care. Hip and knee surgery declined at a higher rate than any other European country, leaving thousands more people in pain and lacking mobility – operations that carry huge waiting lists two years later. Access to a GP is still limited and almost always delayed, meaning that the consequences of late diagnosis and postponed treatment are likely to persist for years ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 7:36:38 GMT 1
I agree with the opening statement that the NHS is outdated, however getting rid of some middle managers and diversity roles is not going to make a slightest bit of difference. But they are an easy target, particularly for those MP's who can shout it knowing it won't make the slightest bit of difference, however it will get them headlines in the paper. As others have said there are lots of factors that come in to play and there needs to be a full review of the health & care system in this country which incorporates all elements to come up with an integrated plan. However, it won't happen because it will cost billions and years to implement but perhaps more importantly there are people who don't want to push for it because if it fails then it is political suicide. Instead there will be lots of little ideas & gimmicks thrown about which are effectively sticking plasters, plus of course promises of more funding which is just a drop in the ocean for such a huge organisation. Personally I've known more deaths through family, friends, work colleagues, fellow supporters, etc. in the last 12 months than any other time in my life, which is some statement considering we've just lived through a pandemic. Some of that may just be coincidence and it's the luck of the draw, but I wonder how much of it is down to people not getting access to the help they need, that is ultimately the failure of the health service in this country. i agree we do need a proper review but one that involves all parts of the nhs and service users groups . thre is no quick fix solution and we need a plan to make the nhs meet the needs of the population. i support the NHS and do not want a US style insurance healkth scheme but this is a huge amount of money and i dont think we are getting value for money. google By 2021, healthcare expenditure in the UK amounted to 11.9 percent of the GDP. uk gdp 3.187 trillion USD (2021) www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budgetHealthcare expenditure per capita across the OECD averaged $4,087 in 2019, in the UK it was slightly above that at $4,500. Of the G7 countries only Italy are spending less than us. The US with their unique model were spending just shy of $11,000 per person on healthcare. In some aspects their system is outstanding, but in others it is truly barbaric. We in the UK have come to expect the NHS to be all things to all men and to fix every health issue known to man, but it can't do everything without an unlimited budget and most of us accept that, but putting in place systems that actively demoralise staff is hardly the best way to go about things.
The staff are the backbone of the NHS and without those doctors, nurses, HCAs, cleaners, caterers, porters, secretaries, administrators and even managers the system would collapse. Scapegoating the managers and administrators by the press is not making the problem go away, it's just finding someone to blame when they can't exactly go after the very people they were telling us to clap for 18 months ago.
The blame lies in Downing Street and Whitehall, they were happy to take the plaudits for all the great work done by the NHS during the pandemic, but don't fancy taking the flak now it's supposedly back to normal, so will go out their way to find someone else to blame, be that greedy nurses, lazy hospital managers or anyone else that is available, FFS they've even taken to blaming Putin now and saying that we're playing into his hands by having all these strikes. It's not like the Tories didn't actively pimp themselves out in order to get a few roubles into the coffers or hand out contracts or even peerages to the odd Russian oligarch to make a few quid on the side.
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Post by kenwood on Dec 7, 2022 9:09:52 GMT 1
i have a friend who works in another county in mental health , he works for IAPT ( increased access to psychological threapies) in a health hub including a GP and a mental health team, all three have computure systems but non cant talk to each other. the GP's are upstairs and send a referral via fax or letter. bearing in mind they all work in a new hub such a basic thing should have been sorted out. but then today i was at Shrewsbury A&E and have been refrerred to the ear nose and throat at Telford. she printed a letter to take with me, i enquired had telford recived it electronically but it seems they are on a different system ? but my GP was able to recive it I find this truly ridiculous in the extreme . Both hospitals come under the same health trust surely .It just doesn’t make any sense. Some people somewhere need to get a grip . Now a days it’s not bloody rocket science is it . Here’s something truly frightening . A very good friend of mine was waiting for a pre op appointment . He received a letter addressed to him containing information referring to a certain condition but it wasn’t for him , it was for a bloke in another part of the County who had received, so it turned out his letter . When he spoke to the hospital and told them what had happened deathly silence . Now to my mind that is worrying . Thankfully he has had his op and is sorted up to a point but that should never happen , ever . |
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Dec 7, 2022 9:21:58 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 7, 2022 9:21:58 GMT 1
i have a friend who works in another county in mental health , he works for IAPT ( increased access to psychological threapies) in a health hub including a GP and a mental health team, all three have computure systems but non cant talk to each other. the GP's are upstairs and send a referral via fax or letter. bearing in mind they all work in a new hub such a basic thing should have been sorted out. but then today i was at Shrewsbury A&E and have been refrerred to the ear nose and throat at Telford. she printed a letter to take with me, i enquired had telford recived it electronically but it seems they are on a different system ? but my GP was able to recive it I find this truly ridiculous in the extreme . Both hospitals come under the same health trust surely .It just doesn’t make any sense. Some people somewhere need to get a grip . Now a days it’s not bloody rocket science is it . Here’s something truly frightening . A very good friend of mine was waiting for a pre op appointment . He received a letter addressed to him containing information referring to a certain condition but it wasn’t for him , it was for a bloke in another part of the County who had received, so it turned out his letter . When he spoke to the hospital and told them what had happened deathly silence . Now to my mind that is worrying . Thankfully he has had his op and is sorted up to a point but that should never happen , ever . "I find this truly ridiculous in the extreme . Both hospitals come under the same health trust surely .It just doesn’t make any sense." no it does not and it is ridiculous . im not best with IT but i now have a modern phone i can book a date for a blood test , i can book into my surgery all on my phone we are supposed to be living in a digital age . |
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Dec 7, 2022 9:27:06 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 7, 2022 9:27:06 GMT 1
considering we have Whats Up and Skype , why cant we we use this system to screen out people for A&E who dont need to be there .i cant help wonder if some people are not going thre because they cant get to see thre GP , we used to have an out of hours walk in center at monkmooore i dont know if it is still open if not it needs it needs reopen to take some pressuer of the A&E. i do recall at the time it was unpopular with GP's .
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 7, 2022 11:05:30 GMT 1
Having heard Steve Barclay, the Secretary of state for health and social care, on the Today programme this morning, I fully understand why NHS staff are going to be striking. This Steve Barclay scoundrel hides behind 4.75% was the result of an independent pay review and the RCN demand of 19%, has he never heard of negotiation?
If I worked in the NHS, I would be voting for strike action when faced with him.
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Dec 7, 2022 11:50:58 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 7, 2022 11:50:58 GMT 1
Having heard Steve Barclay, the Secretary of state for health and social care, on the Today programme this morning, I fully understand why NHS staff are going to be striking. This Steve Barclay scoundrel hides behind 4.75% was the result of an independent pay review and the RCN demand of 19%, has he never heard of negotiation? If I worked in the NHS, I would be voting for strike action when faced with him. 4.75% is around the figure the vast majority or private sector employees are getting. |
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Dec 7, 2022 12:04:42 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Dec 7, 2022 12:04:42 GMT 1
Having heard Steve Barclay, the Secretary of state for health and social care, on the Today programme this morning, I fully understand why NHS staff are going to be striking. This Steve Barclay scoundrel hides behind 4.75% was the result of an independent pay review and the RCN demand of 19%, has he never heard of negotiation? If I worked in the NHS, I would be voting for strike action when faced with him. 4.75% is around the figure the vast majority or private sector employees are getting. Have these private sector employees been getting less than inflation pay rises on a regular basis?
Have these private sector employees got colleagues in Scotland who have been offered 7.5%?
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