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Nov 16, 2022 19:54:37 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Nov 16, 2022 19:54:37 GMT 1
Since long-term illness and a lengthening treatment backlog are causing such economic dislocation, it is scandalous that the NHS is doing less now than it was before the pandemic. Hospitals are performing fewer operations and scans each month than before Covid, despite being given nearly £30 billion in extra cash.
An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows the health service in England carried out 600,000 fewer procedures in the first nine months of 2022, compared with the same period in 2019.
The NHS’s budget rose from £123.7 billion in 2019-20 to £151.8 billion in 2022-23, with the extra funding tied to a target of increasing elective hospital activity by 30 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels. This will not only be missed but matters have worsened. Why is no one being held to account?
Record sums have been poured in for years, yet there is now a waiting list of more than seven million patients. Working practices remain stuck in the past, with consultants complaining that hospitals are “like the Mary Celeste” at weekends, while most GP surgeries are only open on weekdays, pushing patients to overstretched A&E services.
The NHS unions, like the BMA and the Royal Colleges, are the most vociferous in demanding ever more money, while at the same time planning to bring the system to a halt over Christmas with a series of strikes. They are calling for extra “unsocial hours” pay for weekend working when the rest of the world moved on to seven-day schedules decades ago. There is something fundamentally wrong with the NHS which politicians must confront before it crashes and brings the rest of the economy down with it.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 16, 2022 21:26:45 GMT 1
Broken Britain. The result of austerity, below infation pay rises when things were a little better financially - clapping for carers, rather than rewarding them, not buiding enough of the promised new hospitals and some pretty bad Health Ministers over the years, including Mr Hunt.
In Shropshire you only have to look at the poncing around over Telford and Shrewsbury arrangements to see why it's broken.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 16, 2022 22:19:54 GMT 1
But we must 'Protect the NHS', well that's all we heard for 2 years anyway.
There will be the usual talk of it being underfunded and that might be true to a point, but throwing money at it isn't the answer. I've said before that the NHS needs a drastic overhaul, the principle of it is great but it was created in the 1940's, the world has changed a lot since then
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 16, 2022 22:38:06 GMT 1
First thing they can do is stop advertising jobs for Equality Advisors and other box ticking b******s like that for 6 figure salaries a year
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Nov 16, 2022 23:35:07 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 16, 2022 23:35:07 GMT 1
Since long-term illness and a lengthening treatment backlog are causing such economic dislocation, it is scandalous that the NHS is doing less now than it was before the pandemic. Hospitals are performing fewer operations and scans each month than before Covid, despite being given nearly £30 billion in extra cash.
An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows the health service in England carried out 600,000 fewer procedures in the first nine months of 2022, compared with the same period in 2019.
The NHS’s budget rose from £123.7 billion in 2019-20 to £151.8 billion in 2022-23, with the extra funding tied to a target of increasing elective hospital activity by 30 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels. This will not only be missed but matters have worsened. Why is no one being held to account? Record sums have been poured in for years, yet there is now a waiting list of more than seven million patients. Working practices remain stuck in the past, with consultants complaining that hospitals are “like the Mary Celeste” at weekends, while most GP surgeries are only open on weekdays, pushing patients to overstretched A&E services. The NHS unions, like the BMA and the Royal Colleges, are the most vociferous in demanding ever more money, while at the same time planning to bring the system to a halt over Christmas with a series of strikes. They are calling for extra “unsocial hours” pay for weekend working when the rest of the world moved on to seven-day schedules decades ago. There is something fundamentally wrong with the NHS which politicians must confront before it crashes and brings the rest of the economy down with it. Daily Telegraph. Painting a fairly one sided picture here. Bizarre to make a comparison between 2019 and 2022 and make no mention at all of the ongoing pandemic, nor the fact that large amounts of money have gone into trying to discharge patients safely so hospital beds are free (pay is shooting up in the care sector now because people simply don't want to do the job). The comments on weekend working are frankly bizarre. The "rest of the world" absolutely has not accepted a 7 day schedule, least of all schools. NHS staff have kids like anyone else. They're also skilled workers who can probably just as easily do one to the states or other countries that will pay them better (something the torygraph would do well to remember it thinks health care is expensive as it is). As for GP's surgeries, isn't that a decision for the partners in the business? I expect they will want paying more for their time at the weekend just like anyone else does. I accept it's an issue, it's just far from as simple as the tory graph would like us to believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 7:53:01 GMT 1
Since long-term illness and a lengthening treatment backlog are causing such economic dislocation, it is scandalous that the NHS is doing less now than it was before the pandemic. Hospitals are performing fewer operations and scans each month than before Covid, despite being given nearly £30 billion in extra cash.
An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies shows the health service in England carried out 600,000 fewer procedures in the first nine months of 2022, compared with the same period in 2019.
The NHS’s budget rose from £123.7 billion in 2019-20 to £151.8 billion in 2022-23, with the extra funding tied to a target of increasing elective hospital activity by 30 per cent compared with pre-pandemic levels. This will not only be missed but matters have worsened. Why is no one being held to account? Record sums have been poured in for years, yet there is now a waiting list of more than seven million patients. Working practices remain stuck in the past, with consultants complaining that hospitals are “like the Mary Celeste” at weekends, while most GP surgeries are only open on weekdays, pushing patients to overstretched A&E services. The NHS unions, like the BMA and the Royal Colleges, are the most vociferous in demanding ever more money, while at the same time planning to bring the system to a halt over Christmas with a series of strikes. They are calling for extra “unsocial hours” pay for weekend working when the rest of the world moved on to seven-day schedules decades ago. There is something fundamentally wrong with the NHS which politicians must confront before it crashes and brings the rest of the economy down with it. Daily Telegraph. Painting a fairly one sided picture here. Bizarre to make a comparison between 2019 and 2022 and make no mention at all of the ongoing pandemic, nor the fact that large amounts of money have gone into trying to discharge patients safely so hospital beds are free (pay is shooting up in the care sector now because people simply don't want to do the job). The comments on weekend working are frankly bizarre. T he "rest of the world" absolutely has not accepted a 7 day schedule, least of all schools. NHS staff have kids like anyone else. They're also skilled workers who can probably just as easily do one to the states or other countries that will pay them better (something the torygraph would do well to remember it thinks health care is expensive as it is). As for GP's surgeries, isn't that a decision for the partners in the business? I expect they will want paying more for their time at the weekend just like anyone else does. I accept it's an issue, it's just far from as simple as the tory graph would like us to believe. I wonder how widespread the bus service in Shropshire is on Sundays. Even in Telford there is a very much reduced service, but at least we have one. The railways are also much reduced on Sundays.
I work Monday to Friday 9-5. If my company wants me to work outside of those hours they pay me extra. That's the way of the world.
I can't walk into many if any bank branches on a Sunday, I can't get an appointment at a solicitors, I can't visit the Job Centre, I even have to work around Sunday trading laws to visit the supermarket or garden centre. To even suggest that the rest of the world of has accepted a 7 day schedule is ridiculous. Even the Stock Exchange only works a 5 day week.
If people want a true 100% 7 days a week service in the NHS they need to accept that it's going to cost a lot more money and will not be achieved over night. Jr. Doctors, nurses, radiologists, porters, HCAs, cleaners, caterers, security, receptionists, etc all work to cover 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. For starters we don't actually have enough consultants in the country to allow for 24/7 cover. Unfortunately there is no magic consultant tree.
Binning off the new pension rules for more senior doctors would also be a step in the right direction as it would allow them to work longer hours in the NHS, rather than stopping at a set amount of hours.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 17, 2022 10:22:56 GMT 1
It's an outdated and woefully run organisation that will continue to drink public finance. You could double the budget, nothing would change, just more managers and box ticking roles.
It needs a complete overhaul.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 14:16:44 GMT 1
It's an outdated and woefully run organisation that will continue to drink public finance. You could double the budget, nothing would change, just more managers and box ticking roles. It needs a complete overhaul. Completely agree, it'll never happen though for 2 reasons: 1) It’s permanently in a state of crisis so never the right time to overhaul/restructure 2) Any attempt to significantly alter the way it works will be met by cult-like resistance to the masses who believe it treasonous to dare criticise ‘our wonderful NHS’. |
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Post by salop27 on Nov 17, 2022 15:57:26 GMT 1
No political party has the answer as they're all to scared to make big changes. The NHS is to big. Cut it up into smaller bits. Put the emphasis back on frontline services so A&E,GPs,Dentists etc.
Firstly though more staff are required. Nurse training needs to be made free for all who want to do it. Basic pay needs to jump up rapidly to attract more nurses and keep them.
The money is in the budget to do this, its just being spent on the wrong people and in the wrong places.
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Nov 17, 2022 16:34:37 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 17, 2022 16:34:37 GMT 1
whenever i see horror storys about the NHS , i cant help but wonder how many lobbyists are trying to encourage the goverment to privatise the nhs, Virging health has won a lot of contracts to do clinics previously run by the nhs.
if we went down that route you cvan bet they would adopt the US model and hevan help anyone with a chronic health condition.
this is just a small taste of the salami slicing of health and social care to private companies.
"Virgin awarded almost £2bn of NHS contracts in the past five ...https://www.theguardian.com › society › aug › virgin-a...
5 Aug 2018 — A nine-year contract to provide sexual health services for councils in the north-east of England · A £700m deal to run district nursing, dementia"
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"Virgin Care has around 400 health and social care contracts across England, and treats around one million people. One of the big winners from NHS privatisation, it does everything from school immunisation programmes and dementia care to running GP surgeries and sexual health clinics.26 Jan 2020"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 17, 2022 16:37:49 GMT 1
when i started in shelton in 1987 human resources were all in a tiny lodge, within 13 years they ocupied the whole of an old ward.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 17, 2022 18:55:29 GMT 1
when i started in shelton in 1987 human resources were all in a tiny lodge, within 13 years they ocupied the whole of an old ward. Same in education. When I first started at a college in Manchester in the 1970s, there was in post a Principal, Vice Principal, an Administrative Officer and half a dozen secretaries. By the time I finished, 70% of the employees were non-teaching staff and numerous colleges had merged. |
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Post by kenwood on Nov 18, 2022 1:39:38 GMT 1
whenever i see horror storys about the NHS , i cant help but wonder how many lobbyists are trying to encourage the goverment to privatise the nhs, Virging health has won a lot of contracts to do clinics previously run by the nhs. if we went down that route you cvan bet they would adopt the US model and hevan help anyone with a chronic health condition. this is just a small taste of the salami slicing of health and social care to private companies. "Virgin awarded almost £2bn of NHS contracts in the past five ...https://www.theguardian.com › society › aug › virgin-a... 5 Aug 2018 — A nine-year contract to provide sexual health services for councils in the north-east of England · A £700m deal to run district nursing, dementia" from google "Virgin Care has around 400 health and social care contracts across England, and treats around one million people. One of the big winners from NHS privatisation, it does everything from school immunisation programmes and dementia care to running GP surgeries and sexual health clinics.26 Jan 2020" Totally agree. I said on another thread with ref. to privatisation of the nhs that the vultures were indeed circling .It’s been going on for a few years I think , an insidious creep by private concerns carefully cherry picking those areas of the nhs which would offer the best chance of a return on their “ investment “. If we are not careful we are heading toward a two tier health service . You could argue that we have one now with patients electing to be seen privately . The model facing us is one where the government elects to hive off certain services to the private sector who would no doubt be quite choosy when it comes to deciding who they treat . Why not, no need to get involved with patients who could erode their profits unless of course they are prepared to pay extra. Of course those who are financially able can take out private health insurance to cover the cost of such eventualities . So, private health providers get paid by government and insurance companies by patients. Theres money to be made in providing for the sick , the trick is not to get ill. |
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Nov 18, 2022 16:45:26 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 18, 2022 16:45:26 GMT 1
whenever i see horror storys about the NHS , i cant help but wonder how many lobbyists are trying to encourage the goverment to privatise the nhs, Virging health has won a lot of contracts to do clinics previously run by the nhs. if we went down that route you cvan bet they would adopt the US model and hevan help anyone with a chronic health condition. this is just a small taste of the salami slicing of health and social care to private companies. "Virgin awarded almost £2bn of NHS contracts in the past five ...https://www.theguardian.com › society › aug › virgin-a... 5 Aug 2018 — A nine-year contract to provide sexual health services for councils in the north-east of England · A £700m deal to run district nursing, dementia" from google "Virgin Care has around 400 health and social care contracts across England, and treats around one million people. One of the big winners from NHS privatisation, it does everything from school immunisation programmes and dementia care to running GP surgeries and sexual health clinics.26 Jan 2020" Totally agree. I said on another thread with ref. to privatisation of the nhs that the vultures were indeed circling .It’s been going on for a few years I think , an insidious creep by private concerns carefully cherry picking those areas of the nhs which would offer the best chance of a return on their “ investment “. If we are not careful we are heading toward a two tier health service . You could argue that we have one now with patients electing to be seen privately . The model facing us is one where the government elects to hive off certain services to the private sector who would no doubt be quite choosy when it comes to deciding who they treat . Why not, no need to get involved with patients who could erode their profits unless of course they are prepared to pay extra. Of course those who are financially able can take out private health insurance to cover the cost of such eventualities . So, private health providers get paid by government and insurance companies by patients. Theres money to be made in providing for the sick , the trick is not to get ill. i agree and share your concern |
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Nov 21, 2022 19:44:17 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 21, 2022 19:49:14 GMT 1
I’m hoping this is like friends of mine in a different area though.
A letter over twelve months in advance was sent out only for it to be cancelled by phone and a nearer date set. This made me wonder if the original appointment was sent out to meet some deadline or other.
Of course, it may well be different in Telford.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 21, 2022 20:56:36 GMT 1
No problems for Sunak though. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/21/rishi-sunak-is-registered-with-private-gp-practiceRishi Sunak is registered with a private GP practice that guarantees that all patients with urgent concerns about their health will be seen “on the day”. The west London clinic used by the prime minister charges £250 for a half-hour consultation and, unlike most NHS GPs across the country, offers appointments in the evenings and at weekends, as well as consultations by email or phone that cost up to £150. Patients can request home visits from doctors for which they are charged between £400 and £500, depending on the time of day or night. The clinic, which the Guardian has chosen not to name, also charges up to £80 for prescriptions. |
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 21, 2022 21:15:03 GMT 1
Of course there isn’t and his family will all be the same. I don’t have a problem but how on Earth this man can appreciate what most people have to tolerate is beyond me I’m afraid.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 21, 2022 22:45:52 GMT 1
to even have a discussion document should scare anyone who is elderly or have a chronic health condition. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11453155/What-two-tier-NHS-look-like.html"What could a two-tier NHS even look like? From a social care-esque cap to charging patients £200 just to turn up to A&E at night The idea of charging wealthier Brits to use the NHS has been touted in Scotland But it has been slammed for going against the founding principals of the NHS While no details were discussed even the idea of a 'two tier' NHS is controversial Here we examine how such a system could work based on already existing rules" |
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Nov 22, 2022 17:37:17 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 22, 2022 17:37:17 GMT 1
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/sturgeon-slammed-over-state-of-nhs-scotland-after-funding-20m-indyref2-plans/ar-AA14n7QM?ocid=mse"Following reports NHS Scotland leaders are discussing the potential creation of a "two-tier" system that would charge the wealthy, Liberal Democrat MP Christine Jardine has said the problem with "entirely" with the Scottish Government. So often they have promised they are spending more on the NHS but also they have long waiting times, ambulances which don't turn up for 20 hours. The problem is entirely with the Scottish Government. "It's not to do with the Barnett formula itself, it's to do with how they are spending the money in Scotland. "The fact that they're willing to put £21million into an independence referendum that a majority of people don't want rather than make sure that the NHS in Scotland has the money to work effectively and that the staff have the support that they need. "They are going to have to recognise that people are worried about this and do something."
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Nov 22, 2022 17:37:53 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 22, 2022 17:37:53 GMT 1
No problems for Sunak though. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/21/rishi-sunak-is-registered-with-private-gp-practiceRishi Sunak is registered with a private GP practice that guarantees that all patients with urgent concerns about their health will be seen “on the day”. The west London clinic used by the prime minister charges £250 for a half-hour consultation and, unlike most NHS GPs across the country, offers appointments in the evenings and at weekends, as well as consultations by email or phone that cost up to £150. Patients can request home visits from doctors for which they are charged between £400 and £500, depending on the time of day or night. The clinic, which the Guardian has chosen not to name, also charges up to £80 for prescriptions. not suprised at all |
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Nov 22, 2022 17:39:34 GMT 1
Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 22, 2022 17:39:34 GMT 1
But we must 'Protect the NHS', well that's all we heard for 2 years anyway. There will be the usual talk of it being underfunded and that might be true to a point, but throwing money at it isn't the answer. I've said before that the NHS needs a drastic overhaul, the principle of it is great but it was created in the 1940's, the world has changed a lot since then You could spend the entire GDP of this country on the NHS and it still wouldn't be enough. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 22, 2022 17:42:48 GMT 1
No problems for Sunak though. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/21/rishi-sunak-is-registered-with-private-gp-practiceRishi Sunak is registered with a private GP practice that guarantees that all patients with urgent concerns about their health will be seen “on the day”. The west London clinic used by the prime minister charges £250 for a half-hour consultation and, unlike most NHS GPs across the country, offers appointments in the evenings and at weekends, as well as consultations by email or phone that cost up to £150. Patients can request home visits from doctors for which they are charged between £400 and £500, depending on the time of day or night. The clinic, which the Guardian has chosen not to name, also charges up to £80 for prescriptions. only the rich could afford this . if he had to wait 4 hours in A&E and think that was a fast responce, if he began feeling ill called for an ambulance and be told they had no ambulances and could not tell him when they could get to him , he might do more for the nhs. the staff do a great job we just have had decades of mismanagment by the various goverments. |
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Nov 23, 2022 9:25:47 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2022 9:25:47 GMT 1
But we must 'Protect the NHS', well that's all we heard for 2 years anyway. There will be the usual talk of it being underfunded and that might be true to a point, but throwing money at it isn't the answer. I've said before that the NHS needs a drastic overhaul, the principle of it is great but it was created in the 1940's, the world has changed a lot since then You could spend the entire GDP of this country on the NHS and it still wouldn't be enough. I used to work for the nhs and it has many faults and for the budget it has it should be able to do better but equally many of the goverment directives do not help . It does need an overhaul but successive goverments have chosen not to train enough uk satff and bring staff from abroad and that has not always helped, equally the treatment and support for staff is very poor, from staff i know who are still working in the nhs moral is very low . The goverment were warned numerous times by the RCN when Hunt was health secretary that nursing was heading for a demographic time bomb with large numbers retiring he did nothing now we have a shortgae of 40,000 that is just incompetent leadership. what never seems to be delt with is why so many staff leave during training and the stagerring figure of 56% of newly qualified staff leave by there second year. from gogle "There are many reasons that nurses leave the profession and there are many overlapping systems within healthcare. But, one study found that a staggering 17% - 30% of new nurses leave their job within the first year and up to 56% leaving within the second year." this a huge loss of staff and a huge waste of money " from google In total, it is estimated that to train each nurse in England costs HEE around £51,000. they were introduced in reaction to a national audit office report intended to bring greater consistency to the funding of health workers' education." we have many very dedicated staff who work very hard despit the systems in place. a number of staff i know just packed it in an emigrated to australia for better money and better working conditions things are not perfect there but non of them will be coming back to work for the nhs. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 23, 2022 9:43:28 GMT 1
I'm not 100% up on the ins and outs of all this but I would say there's a two tier health service here in Germany. I have friends who are private, we are public. Do they get more for their money, yes. Am I concerned? No, because I think the service we receive is more than sufficient. Indeed, my personal experience of the health service here in Germany is superb (touch wood). That isn't the case when it comes to the NHS and that is again speaking from personal experience. The envy of the world it ain't, certainly from this small corner of Germany (even though I appreciate that there are many, many wonderful people who work within it who do amazing things each and every day...including a number of relatives of mine).
I don't understand the aversion we see from many in the UK whenever the discussion turns to "two tier" or "private" health care. It seems many think that must automatically mean something akin to the US model. As if there is no middle ground, its either universal health care or every man for himself. I find it bizarre. I'm sure elsewhere in the world there are other examples where private and public health provision work hand in hand and importantly, remains universal.
And in addition to that, many more seem to think the only answer is to throw more money at it but I'm pretty sure I was reading the other day that despite an increase in NHS doctors and nurses, less patients are being treated. Which kinda suggests the issues go beyond funding.
And finally, just looks to me as though many are simply looking to use the HNS as a political football.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 23, 2022 9:59:26 GMT 1
I'm not 100% up on the ins and outs of all this but I would say there's a two tier health service here in Germany. I have friends who are private, we are public. Do they get more for their money, yes. Am I concerned? No, because I think the service we receive is more than sufficient. Indeed, my personal experience of the health service here in Germany is superb (touch wood). That isn't the case when it comes to the NHS and that is again speaking from personal experience. The envy of the world it ain't, certainly from this small corner of Germany (even though I appreciate that there are many, many wonderful people who work within it who do amazing things each and every day...including a number of relatives of mine). I don't understand the aversion we see from many in the UK whenever the discussion turns to "two tier" or "private" health care. It seems many think that must automatically mean something akin to the US model. As if there is no middle ground, its either universal health care or every man for himself. I find it bizarre. I'm sure elsewhere in the world there are other examples where private and public health provision work hand in hand and importantly, remains universal. And in addition to that, many more seem to think the only answer is to throw more money at it but I'm pretty sure I was reading the other day that despite an increase in NHS doctors and nurses, less patients are being treated. Which kinda suggests the issues go beyond funding. And finally, just looks to me as though many are simply looking to use the HNS as a political football. 100% agree, to much scaremongering that if an ounce of it goes private it'll be like the US, it won't. Money is the very last thing the NHS needs, it needs a complete overhaul. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 23, 2022 11:52:13 GMT 1
Speaking of the NHS, this is worth a listen too. I gather this is where some of the money that is thrown at it ends up...
I gather this is on level as she is set to sue the NHS and I think that it's going ahead. This seems specific to the Tavistock (which looks to have been a complete failure in more ways than one listening to this) but I suspect you'll find it elsewhere in the NHS too. The mind boggles. Imagine having to face this at work. Good luck to her anyhow.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2022 15:41:48 GMT 1
I'm not 100% up on the ins and outs of all this but I would say there's a two tier health service here in Germany. I have friends who are private, we are public. Do they get more for their money, yes. Am I concerned? No, because I think the service we receive is more than sufficient. Indeed, my personal experience of the health service here in Germany is superb (touch wood). That isn't the case when it comes to the NHS and that is again speaking from personal experience. The envy of the world it ain't, certainly from this small corner of Germany (even though I appreciate that there are many, many wonderful people who work within it who do amazing things each and every day...including a number of relatives of mine). I don't understand the aversion we see from many in the UK whenever the discussion turns to "two tier" or "private" health care. It seems many think that must automatically mean something akin to the US model. As if there is no middle ground, its either universal health care or every man for himself. I find it bizarre. I'm sure elsewhere in the world there are other examples where private and public health provision work hand in hand and importantly, remains universal. And in addition to that, many more seem to think the only answer is to throw more money at it but I'm pretty sure I was reading the other day that despite an increase in NHS doctors and nurses, less patients are being treated. Which kinda suggests the issues go beyond funding. And finally, just looks to me as though many are simply looking to use the HNS as a political football. 100% agree, to much scaremongering that if an ounce of it goes private it'll be like the US, it won't. Money is the very last thing the NHS needs, it needs a complete overhaul. the press are scaremonegering but there was a discussion document in scotland discussing a two tier NHS in scotland , the amount of social care and NHS contracts that are now in private companies hands were just unthinkable 20 years ago. I agreee it does need a complete overhaul . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 7:32:27 GMT 1
I found this on my Facebook feed this morning and I think it needs to shared far and wide. This is not a blip, this is not a one off, this is not something specific to rural areas, this is due a deliberate and systemic attack on our NHS. If you vote Tory at the next election you will be accepting that this is the way you want healthcare in the UK to go, you will be accepting the continued push towards privatisation, you will be accepting and condoning the fact that parents will have to choose to either lose their homes and go bankrupt or watch their children die so that someone who doesn't care about the human consequences can make shed loads of money.
Telford has a growing and aging population and they trying to take our A&E provision away along with all of the other emergency care systems that are located there. If you're in Shropshire you may think that this doesn't affect you, but you couldn't be further from the truth. At least 60% of the ambulances currently taking patients to PRH will head instead to the RSH. Will the RSH get 60% more staff and capacity? It will be ambulances taking your loved ones to Shrewsbury that will be redirected to Wolverhampton, Worcester, Wrexham or Stafford because Shrewsbury is too full to accept any more patients. We can stop this sneaking privatisation and we must, otherwise stories like the one below will become even more commonplace than they already are and people will die. I would hate to think that I had a chance to protect the NHS and turned it down.
Edit to add: Apparently on Tuesday there were 23 ambulances allocated to Shropshire and Telford, at one point 22 of them were sat outside the A&E departments of the RSH and PRH waiting to discharge their patients. I shudder to think what would happen if a major incident occurred.
Little Myla Childs was playing on a bouncy castle in Bridgnorth yesterday when she suddenly became seriously ill. This is her Dad's account of what happened:
It’s your worst nightmare when you think your child might be dying in front of you. You desperately want to help them and you know you haven’t got the skills. This is what happened to me in January this year, when my daughter Myla had a prolonged seizure, stopped breathing, and almost died.
Today, that nightmare happened again, to me and to my wife Cally – and of course to Myla, who’s coming up for two now. We were in Bridgnorth today.
Without warning, at 11.45 this morning, Myla started fitting again – just like she did in January. She went grey and her lips went blue. It was clear she was struggling to breathe. That first seizure only lasted about two minutes – but then as soon as it stopped, she started to have more seizures. It’s called ‘cluster seizure’.
We rang 999 straight way. Of course we did. Your child’s life is at risk and you want the experts there straight away to put things right. But I know just what a shambles the ambulance service is now, and they couldn’t guarantee a fast response. We were very calm. We didn’t panic. We’ve been here before, after all. We decided to take Myla to Bridgnorth Hospital because at least there was a good chance that there’d be someone there who could give Myla oxygen and try and get her stabilised.
We drove to Bridgnorth Hospital.
The staff were amazing. They had doctors and nurses with us in what felt like seconds. They did everything they could, but they couldn’t get Myla’s oxygen levels back up and stabilised.
It took half an hour for that ambulance to arrive. That feels like a lifetime when you’re watching your child struggling to breathe.
We arrived at A&E. There were eleven ambulances parked outside. I knew that was really bad news. That meant an A&E that was full, stretched to breaking point – or worse than that.
Myla was seen by a triage nurse in A&E. The nurse told us it would take around TEN HOURS before Myla could even see a doctor. That isn’t emergency care. That’s a sick joke.
Myla got lucky. While we waited, her oxygen levels gradually stabilised and returned to normal. She wasn’t right – but it began to feel that the immediate life threatening episode was over. We rang our GP back home in Ludlow, and we were promised an immediate appointment. That felt less of a risk than waiting hour after hour in the hope of eventually seeing a paediatrician at the hospital. We drove Myla back to Ludlow. We saw our GP. Myla’s now back home, on antibiotics, and she’s OK.
I’m NOT OK, and my wife Cally isn’t OK. We’re scared. 30 minutes wait for a Category 1 ambulance isn’t OK. A ten hour wait for a very sick toddler to see a doctor isn’t OK. And you know what? Our NHS isn’t OK. What happened today isn’t the fault of NHS staff. The people we saw today were brilliant.
The problem is, we’ve got an NHS that has been underfunded and understaffed for years. It’s bad across the country, and in Shropshire we’re right at the sharp end of things. Our NHS is broken. We need emergency action NOW if we’re going to have an NHS next year, and in five years, and in ten years. I’ve frightened for Myla, and I’m frightened for all of us.
I’m also angry. The death of the NHS is about Government choices, and our Government is making the wrong choices time after time. People are dying in Shropshire. My MP – Philip Dunne, MP for Ludlow – couldn’t care less. I can’t begin to explain how that makes me feel.
Darren Childs
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 24, 2022 9:28:21 GMT 1
The problem is, we’ve got an NHS that has been underfunded and understaffed for years. People need to make their points without peddling this lie. The NHS is funded at record levels, it's just not fit for purpose anymore in 2022 Britain like it was in 1982 Britain because of some of the below reasons: - People are living a lot longer - Social care/after care is woeful so it's a struggle to discharge patients - The NHS in general is run awfully - There's an obsession around diversity, HR drives etc rather than actually providing care I remember when I worked there, a bloke collected scrap metal. It was deemed to be on site he had to be an employee, so he had to be given a band 1 contract. He was paid 16 hours a week including 4 weeks holiday, paid sick and a pension to collect scrap that he was making a fortune on. He told me he was doing well in excess of £1,000 a week just off his 2x trips to Shrewsbury hospital a week plus his PAYE wages and benefits. That might seem a drop in the ocean and of course it is, but multiply across every NHS site and then think of all the other stupid things the NHS is doing and you start to get a picture of how pathetic the people are running these hospitals. I saw ****ing alsorts when I worked there, trust me money is NOT the answer. |
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