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Post by Valerioch on Nov 11, 2022 12:06:45 GMT 1
Latest poll has them at 8% now, their highest yet Sounds like they are planning to stand in atleast 600 constituencies at the next GE. Obviously they'll never get enough votes to break our archaic FPTP system, but its good to see a genuine alternative to all of the main parties (i.e. high tax, large state, green agenda, globalist) www.reformparty.uk/ |
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Post by rob62 on Nov 11, 2022 21:25:54 GMT 1
I dont support Reform by any stretch of the imagination, but our current voting system is an absolute disgrace
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Post by rob62 on Nov 11, 2022 21:26:10 GMT 1
I dont support Reform by any stretch of the imagination, but our current voting system is an absolute disgrace
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 21:41:27 GMT 1
They’re definitely not for me.
Although the current state of the UK economy does mean that all the prospective governments policies are being forced to be more similar than they ordinarily would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 18:41:06 GMT 1
So basically their manifesto consists of the same policies that caused Liz Truss to collapse the economy.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2022 11:50:53 GMT 1
So basically their manifesto consists of the same policies that caused Liz Truss to collapse the economy. Not at all Reform want to scrap HS2 which would instantly save billions Their taxation policies are different and fairer They want proper border controls The plan on reaping the benefits of Brexit rather than meekly surrendering like Rishi Sunak is now It’s easy to see why they are on the rise, and it was predictable a long time ago, as soon as the Tories started lurching back to the centre with their high tax, big state policies |
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Post by MetaShrew on Nov 13, 2022 13:46:08 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how they target their seats over the coming year or two ahead of the next general election.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 16, 2022 10:47:08 GMT 1
So basically their manifesto consists of the same policies that caused Liz Truss to collapse the economy. Not at all Reform want to scrap HS2 which would instantly save billions Their taxation policies are different and fairer They want proper border controls The plan on reaping the benefits of Brexit rather than meekly surrendering like Rishi Sunak is now It’s easy to see why they are on the rise, and it was predictable a long time ago, as soon as the Tories started lurching back to the centre with their high tax, big state policies Just out of interest, what was their stance during the pandemic and lock downs, restrictions etc? Do you recall? Did they have anything to say about school closures for example? |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 16, 2022 20:43:36 GMT 1
Not at all Reform want to scrap HS2 which would instantly save billions Their taxation policies are different and fairer They want proper border controls The plan on reaping the benefits of Brexit rather than meekly surrendering like Rishi Sunak is now It’s easy to see why they are on the rise, and it was predictable a long time ago, as soon as the Tories started lurching back to the centre with their high tax, big state policies Just out of interest, what was their stance during the pandemic and lock downs, restrictions etc? Do you recall? Did they have anything to say about school closures for example? If I’m honest, I can’t recall in 2020. The media brainwash in only offering one side was in full flow. I did however see this today, which suggests they were against lockdowns |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 16, 2022 23:26:03 GMT 1
This is nonsensical. "Just save £5 from every £100. It's that simple". Then says "no need for austerity" and also earlier in the article moans about " doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Totally contradictory. Plus the usual rubbish about "it's what businesses would do". Made doubly ludicrous by the fact he's whinging about austerity in the Daily fecking Express. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 16, 2022 23:45:30 GMT 1
This is nonsensical. "Just save £5 from every £100. It's that simple". Then says "no need for austerity" and also earlier in the article moans about " doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Totally contradictory. Plus the usual rubbish about "it's what businesses would do". Made doubly ludicrous by the fact he's whinging about austerity in the Daily fecking Express. 😂😂😂 Thoughts on the rest of it? Scrapping HS2? Capping profits/increasing a windfall tax? |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 17, 2022 0:00:41 GMT 1
This is nonsensical. "Just save £5 from every £100. It's that simple". Then says "no need for austerity" and also earlier in the article moans about " doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Totally contradictory. Plus the usual rubbish about "it's what businesses would do". Made doubly ludicrous by the fact he's whinging about austerity in the Daily fecking Express. 😂😂😂 Thoughts on the rest of it? Scrapping HS2? Capping profits/increasing a windfall tax? Nothing new or innovative there is there? I don't personally agree with scrapping hs2 so that's a non starter (also, if we can just designate any spending as a corona bond, why stop at QE? Why not get some cheap infrastructure finance whilst we're at it?) I don't need to vote for Reform to support tougher taxation but regardless, hasn't old Ticey just saved us 200 bil and promised to cut public spending? What would be the point of a windfall tax by then if every penny of public spending is deemed "waste"? No mention of Reform's supposed main aim of bringing about electoral reform? Presumably somebody at least pointed out how that went down with the express readership last time. It's just the usual contradictory, populist claptrap aimed at ensnaring enough of the kind of people who think the daily express is a serious source of information to let the lunatic tail wag the Conservative dog again now Boris has gone and Truss got kicked to the kerb in record time |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 6:53:08 GMT 1
There are some things in there that I would agree with. HS2 for starters, a massive investment that has no guarantee of a return in the medium term and as far as I'm aware hasn't even published a fare policy as yet. How much is a 25 minute shorter trip from London to Brum going to cost?
I actually believe that the idea of building better rail infrastructure is a good one, but throwing 10s or 100s of billions at one line is not the way to go. Back in the mid 2000s they rebuilt the line from Wellington to the edge of the Depot in Donnington, with access from Hortonwood. In all that time I have only ever witnessed ONE train travel down that track, obviously there is some activity, but nowhere near what would have been required to make the initial decision viable. We could and should be using small scale projects like that to take hundreds, potentially thousands of HGVs off our motorways every day by delivering containers to closer to where they're actually required and then trunked the final few miles. Better for the road network and better for the environment.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 17, 2022 8:03:20 GMT 1
😂😂😂 Thoughts on the rest of it? Scrapping HS2? Capping profits/increasing a windfall tax? Nothing new or innovative there is there? I don't personally agree with scrapping hs2 so that's a non starter (also, if we can just designate any spending as a corona bond, why stop at QE? Why not get some cheap infrastructure finance whilst we're at it?) I don't need to vote for Reform to support tougher taxation but regardless, hasn't old Ticey just saved us 200 bil and promised to cut public spending? What would be the point of a windfall tax by then if every penny of public spending is deemed "waste"? No mention of Reform's supposed main aim of bringing about electoral reform? Presumably somebody at least pointed out how that went down with the express readership last time. It's just the usual contradictory, populist claptrap aimed at ensnaring enough of the kind of people who think the daily express is a serious source of information to let the lunatic tail wag the Conservative dog again now Boris has gone and Truss got kicked to the kerb in record time Nothing new? Neither main party wants to scrap HS2, so how’s it not new? The “lunatic Conservative” jibe is very lazy in my opinion. There’s loads of differing policies. Another one, Reform manifesto wants to raise the personal allowance up to £20k over a parliament to help the poorest in society, the Tories are today implementing a stealth tax on us all, effecting the poorest most |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 17, 2022 10:46:22 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 18, 2022 15:24:38 GMT 1
Must admit i've never overly looked into what they stand for.
Until the nonsense FPTP system changes, nothing will change other than more pigs with their snouts in the trough.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 18, 2022 16:07:31 GMT 1
So basically their manifesto consists of the same policies that caused Liz Truss to collapse the economy. Not at all Reform want to scrap HS2 which would instantly save billions Their taxation policies are different and fairer They want proper border controls The plan on reaping the benefits of Brexit rather than meekly surrendering like Rishi Sunak is now It’s easy to see why they are on the rise, and it was predictable a long time ago, as soon as the Tories started lurching back to the centre with their high tax, big state policies Wait till folk see they want to unlock our ‘Shale Gas Treasure’….. bigger tax cuts than Liz’s mini budget and more borrowing, wonder what the markets would think of that. BIG, BOLD, EFFECTIVE - £74 bn stimulus: • Cut tax – zero income tax below £20k / year = save almost £1,500 /year per person • Cut cost of living by reducing other taxes: • Scrap VAT on energy bills = save £100 / year per household • Scrap environmental levies = save £160 / year per household • Reduce fuel duty by 20p / litre = save £240 / year per driver • Cut wasteful Govt spending – save £5 in £100 = £55 billion per year • Reduce VAT from 20% to 18% - save £300 / year per household • Unlock Shale Gas Treasure: £1 trillion + of levelling up, by drilling down - will cut bills • RESULT: • Stimulate Growth - approx 0.5% higher per year • Reduce Inflation - approx 4% over next 12 months • Encourage work - extra personal incentive to earn Stimulus of £74bn, or 3.3% GDP; takes tax, as %age of GDP, back to pre lockdown levels • Many households saving £5 in £100 (5%). Public sector saving 5% = £55bn per year (£25 bn in year 1, rising to £55bn year 2). Huge opportunities to cut waste & keep service levels. • £18bn from increased borrowing in year 2 (0.8% GDP) after £46bn extra in year 1 • Self funding, on 3 year view, and accretive thereafter, as our measures will grow economy faster (0.5% pa). Increases tax revenues medium term and reduces inflation due to lower prices • Unlock our huge hidden Asset Value: • Shale Gas Treasure: £1 trillion + under our feet = over £30,000 per household • Owned by us all – transforms our national finances |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2022 16:18:06 GMT 1
Not at all Reform want to scrap HS2 which would instantly save billions Their taxation policies are different and fairer They want proper border controls The plan on reaping the benefits of Brexit rather than meekly surrendering like Rishi Sunak is now It’s easy to see why they are on the rise, and it was predictable a long time ago, as soon as the Tories started lurching back to the centre with their high tax, big state policies Wait till folk see they want to unlock our ‘Shale Gas Treasure’….. bigger tax cuts than Liz’s mini budget and more borrowing, wonder what the markets would think of that. BIG, BOLD, EFFECTIVE - £74 bn stimulus: • Cut tax – zero income tax below £20k / year = save almost £1,500 /year per person • Cut cost of living by reducing other taxes: • Scrap VAT on energy bills = save £100 / year per household • Scrap environmental levies = save £160 / year per household • Reduce fuel duty by 20p / litre = save £240 / year per driver • Cut wasteful Govt spending – save £5 in £100 = £55 billion per year • Reduce VAT from 20% to 18% - save £300 / year per household • Unlock Shale Gas Treasure: £1 trillion + of levelling up, by drilling down - will cut bills • RESULT: • Stimulate Growth - approx 0.5% higher per year • Reduce Inflation - approx 4% over next 12 months • Encourage work - extra personal incentive to earn Stimulus of £74bn, or 3.3% GDP; takes tax, as %age of GDP, back to pre lockdown levels • Many households saving £5 in £100 (5%). Public sector saving 5% = £55bn per year (£25 bn in year 1, rising to £55bn year 2). Huge opportunities to cut waste & keep service levels. • £18bn from increased borrowing in year 2 (0.8% GDP) after £46bn extra in year 1 • Self funding, on 3 year view, and accretive thereafter, as our measures will grow economy faster (0.5% pa). Increases tax revenues medium term and reduces inflation due to lower prices • Unlock our huge hidden Asset Value: • Shale Gas Treasure: £1 trillion + under our feet = over £30,000 per household • Owned by us all – transforms our national finances Barmy isn't it? And based on ... not much...How are they going to reduce infation? Is there a proven trilion of economicaly viable to extract gas under our feet? Could go through everything on that list and query it - hopefully Reform won't get the chance to play with our economy. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 19, 2022 11:57:34 GMT 1
I agree with 2 of their ideas though - scrapping HS2 and zero income tax under £20k.
That said, the financial backers of the Tories and lobbyists on behalf of the construction industry would be most upset by the former taking place, and the markets would hardly be likely to countenance the latter.
The markets and hedge funds run this country.
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