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Post by davycrockett on Nov 28, 2022 19:01:34 GMT 1
Just Stop Oil have kicked off two weeks of promised action in the run-up to Christmas by slowing traffic in Shepherd's Bush. A group of demonstrators were filmed slowly walking in front of vehicles on a busy road in the West London neighbourhood flanked by more than a dozen Metropolitan Police officers. They are carrying banners and can be heard chanting: "We are Just Stop Oil. We are more scared of the climate crisis than the cost of living crisis." Daily Telegraph. There seem to be more police than protesters, but they are still allowing them to continue to block the traffic. There was uproar when the police bill threatened to stop peaceful protests. Look at China now, would you rather they stopped all protests with force or just the ones some people don’t like? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 13:54:13 GMT 1
Although I disagree with their tactics, I can't disagree with their aims.
Same goes for the Insulate Britain crew.
Most of us would probably be on the wrong side of history if we had been around during the early part of the last century when the Suffragette movement was in full flow, possibly agreeing with the message, just not the method of delivery. Is today any different?
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 29, 2022 14:33:00 GMT 1
Although I disagree with their tactics, I can't disagree with their aims.
Same goes for the Insulate Britain crew.
Most of us would probably be on the wrong side of history if we had been around during the early part of the last century when the Suffragette movement was in full flow, possibly agreeing with the message, just not the method of delivery. Is today any different?
I may well be on the wrong side of history in years to come, but personally I totally disagree with both the timing of their message/aim and delivery of the protest. At a time when some people can't afford to heat their homes, and the crisis in Ukraine/Russia, we should be increasing the use of natural gas and oil under our feet and in the North Sea - I doubt these folk give a toss about that though as fuel poverty doesn't effect them I expect |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 14:42:23 GMT 1
Although I disagree with their tactics, I can't disagree with their aims.
Same goes for the Insulate Britain crew.
Most of us would probably be on the wrong side of history if we had been around during the early part of the last century when the Suffragette movement was in full flow, possibly agreeing with the message, just not the method of delivery. Is today any different?
I may well be on the wrong side of history in years to come, but personally I totally disagree with both the timing of their message/aim and delivery of the protest. At a time when some people can't afford to heat their homes, and the crisis in Ukraine/Russia, we should be increasing the use of natural gas and oil under our feet and in the North Sea - I doubt these folk give a toss about that though as fuel poverty doesn't effect them I expect I would agree with you, if not for the fact that any extra oil and gas that BP, Shell, etc drag out of the ground is sold to us, the UK population, at the same price as it is to the rest of the world. If it meant cheaper oil and gas I would have no problem in the short term, but all it means is more profit for those companies already posting record smashing profits. I doubt the likes of BP and Shell give a toss about people in fuel poverty either to be honest. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 30, 2022 12:19:02 GMT 1
Although I disagree with their tactics, I can't disagree with their aims.
Same goes for the Insulate Britain crew.
Most of us would probably be on the wrong side of history if we had been around during the early part of the last century when the Suffragette movement was in full flow, possibly agreeing with the message, just not the method of delivery. Is today any different?
At a time when some people can't afford to heat their homes, and the crisis in Ukraine/Russia, we should be increasing the use of natural gas and oil under our feet and in the North Sea Why do that when the UK can simply important more coal...  UK doubles coal imports to head off winter energy crisis
Not sure the article is available to read as there is a paywall (although not sure whether one or two articles are free over a time) but here are some snippets... Rising gas prices resulting from the war in Ukraine have forced the UK to nearly double its coal imports in the fight to keep the lights on through the Winter.Figures from Kpler, a commodity analytics firm, show that last month more than 560,000 tonnes of coal came into British ports, compared to the 291,089 tonnes that arrived in October 2021, a 93 per cent increase.Victor Katona, senior analyst at Kpler said increased demand for coal is because of the rising price of wholesale gas. “Absent the option of burning fuel oil - the most cost-efficient power generation option right now - coal- is very much the best option out there, albeit the most polluting one, too.“With gas prices like these, relying on natural gas for power generation is a no-go zone for anyone who can switch between fuels.The article then goes on to say the coal will only be used as a last resort if gas and renewables are unable to meet demand but even so, the UK is now importing more coal which is " dirtier" than gas (and I guess you also have to factor in the mining and transportation of the coal to the UK). The usual suspects say that this is the wrong approach and there should be more investment into insulation and renewables but the latter can be unreliable, for example... Renewables are not up to the task and if you are unable to meet any shortfall yourself then...well you end up importing more than 5.5 million tonnes of coal (with perhaps more to come before the years end). |
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