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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 7, 2022 12:34:14 GMT 1
Anyone looking a little further afield, is anyone following things over in the US?
Don't tend to go in for hyperbole but I would say there is a fair bit riding on this as it could well pave the way for Trump to announce his candidacy for the 2024 election and as things stand, there is a good chance of him winning. And I honestly don't see how that can be seen as a good thing considering the huge amount of chaos and division they saw in his first term and no doubt the huge amount of chaos and division that would come about if he were to win again. And as the saying goes; when America sneezes, the world catches a cold.
As for Biden, what can you say. As well as getting Sunak's name wrong the other day he apparently referred to Olaf Shultz as 'she' last night. Just the latest in a very long line of gaffes.
I wouldn't think it a bad thing if neither Trump or Biden were to stand in 2024.
As for how it will play out this week, the polls suggest Republican gains but most of the reporting I see tempers that suggesting that it's close and going to the wire in a number of locations. So all up in the air by the looks...👍
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 7, 2022 12:40:49 GMT 1
I think if Trump stands, it will guarantee both a Biden win and continued unrest.
Biden's gaffes are embarrassing but the US economy seems to be faring a lot better than either ours of the eurozone. The big concern is the increasing polarisation of us society. We are already seeing the return of outlandish fraud claims, militias stood outside polling stations etc. I'm not aware of a candidate that can get cross consensus and settle things down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 12:45:23 GMT 1
I think if Trump stands, it will guarantee both a Biden win and continued unrest. Biden's gaffes are embarrassing but the US economy seems to be faring a lot better than either ours of the eurozone. The big concern is the increasing polarisation of us society. We are already seeing the return of outlandish fraud claims, militias stood outside polling stations etc. I'm not aware of a candidate that can get cross consensus and settle things down. Trump is waiting for the outcome of the midterms before announcing his plans. If the GOP take the Senate he will stand, if not he'll slither away. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 7, 2022 14:41:53 GMT 1
From what I've heard of the rallies, Trump is spouting his usual rubbish. In my opinion, the Repuclicans would be better off if his political career was consigned to history as a very bad joke.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 7, 2022 14:42:59 GMT 1
I think if Trump stands, it will guarantee both a Biden win and continued unrest. Biden's gaffes are embarrassing but the US economy seems to be faring a lot better than either ours of the eurozone. The big concern is the increasing polarisation of us society. We are already seeing the return of outlandish fraud claims, militias stood outside polling stations etc. I'm not aware of a candidate that can get cross consensus and settle things down. I'm not so sure, there's not a lot of love for Biden. In seriousness he looks to need care rather than extra time in office, he's just too old now for such a job. Then again, that country is full of idiots on both ends of the scale and in the middle, they deserve whatever they end up with. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 7, 2022 15:39:44 GMT 1
I think if Trump stands, it will guarantee both a Biden win and continued unrest. Biden's gaffes are embarrassing but the US economy seems to be faring a lot better than either ours of the eurozone. The big concern is the increasing polarisation of us society. We are already seeing the return of outlandish fraud claims, militias stood outside polling stations etc. I'm not aware of a candidate that can get cross consensus and settle things down. I'm not so sure, there's not a lot of love for Biden. In seriousness he looks to need care rather than extra time in office, he's just too old now for such a job. Then again, that country is full of idiots on both ends of the scale and in the middle, they deserve whatever they end up with. Biden's approval rating is pretty much identical to where Trump was at this stage and only marginally below Obama (who went on to win a second term). Regardless, few people voted for Biden, they voted against Trump and they'll do the same if he ends up being the republican choice in 2024. I suspect this is one of the reasons why he's been asked to delay announcing his intentions. Republicans look set to win in the midterms though, and a moderate republican could probably clean up in a presidential election in 2024. The GOP looks likely to choice someone at the Trump end of the party though if it isn't the man himself, which will probably provoke a similar reaction and the cycle continues. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 7, 2022 15:43:55 GMT 1
I think if Trump stands, it will guarantee both a Biden win and continued unrest. Biden's gaffes are embarrassing but the US economy seems to be faring a lot better than either ours of the eurozone. The big concern is the increasing polarisation of us society. We are already seeing the return of outlandish fraud claims, militias stood outside polling stations etc. I'm not aware of a candidate that can get cross consensus and settle things down. I'm not so sure, there's not a lot of love for Biden. Biden is about as unpopular as Trump was at the same point in his presidency. Looking to the numbers anyhow. His approval rating is 40%. The average for past presidents at this stage of their term is 53% (Trump was on 42%). And when it comes to the economy, it sits at minus 7. On inflation, it's minus 21. There are plenty of other stats that don't look too good for Biden too. Unfortunate for most incumbent governments that they're taking a kicking from the electorate for the cost of living crisis. But there is more that is happening over there that may play a part. And that's before you get to the state of Biden himself. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 7, 2022 21:16:46 GMT 1
Biden is truly awful, unfit for office and quite frankly an embarrassment. If he has got something wrong with him he has my sympathy, but regardless, it would be selfish to stand again in 2024 in his state.
He thinks America has 54 states, and was asking after a dead woman in a press conference last month
Let’s see on Trump. Could see him getting back in were he to stand. I for one, would welcome that over Biden
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 23:49:33 GMT 1
Unless anyone closely follows American politics all you’ll see is the embarrassing gaffes which seem to be becoming more and more regular.
I believe a great prophet once referred to him as Sleepy Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 9:30:09 GMT 1
I take quite an interest in US politics and the state of it is worse than ours.
The GOP are moving so far to the right it is terrifying, racism is rife, even if it isn't blatant. The gerrymandering of Congressional districts in some cases guarantees a republican win. Poorer, predominantly black areas have seen the voting places cut by as much as 80%, causing queues of up to 10 hours and in some states it is now illegal for anyone to supply water for those waiting in the queue.
Not all the problems are down to the GOP though, the DNC had two chances to put Bernie Sanders, a true progressive, up for the top job, but chose Clinton with all her baggage and a borderline senile Biden instead. They also put two DINOs in the Senate, Mancin and Sinema have held back so much good legislation by working for their sponsors, rather than their constituents.
The midterms are too close to call at the moment, but I think the republican party will take over both houses, I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. That means almost certainly that Trump will run in 2024 and will probably win.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 11:05:25 GMT 1
It seems a pretty stupid system that has an option to make a president into a lame duck half way through his presidency. What's the point of clipping a president's ability to carry out their manifesto half way through?
Can you imagine where we would be for the next couple of years until the General Election if we had to hold mid-term elections right now?
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Post by kp on Nov 8, 2022 13:34:43 GMT 1
From what I've heard of the rallies, Trump is spouting his usual rubbish. In my opinion, the Repuclicans would be better off if his political career was consigned to history as a very bad joke. Thankfully the Russophile was ousted or the US would not be in a proxy war with Russia... |
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Post by Dancin on Nov 8, 2022 21:26:56 GMT 1
We were in the US in early October and talking to people the new taxes Biden has brought in, especially affecting SME's hasn't gone down well.
A lot feel that Trump looked after the working/middle classes despite his flaws.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 22:57:41 GMT 1
We were in the US in early October and talking to people the new taxes Biden has brought in, especially affecting SME's hasn't gone down well. A lot feel that Trump looked after the working/middle classes despite his flaws. Haven't we had to endure tax rises, by not increasing thresholds before you pay tax at various rates? It's the current way of the world. Trump was in charge at a much more favourable time. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 9, 2022 7:09:51 GMT 1
Well all very cagey at the minute, very tight, a score draw by the looks. And what that means for Trump who knows. If the Republicans don't perform as well as he expected (and more so those Trump endorsed candidates) then perhaps there might be a change of plan. I doubt it but perhaps. DeSantis wins well in Florida, why the Republicans don't go for him I don't know. You would think Trump supporters would vote Republican anyhow and you would think DeSantis would appeal more to independents.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 9, 2022 9:14:31 GMT 1
"Crucially, the battle to become governor of Michigan was a battle over abortion rights.
Ms Whitmer made protecting abortion access a key theme of her campaign, while Mr Dixon backed a near-total ban on abortion, including for child victims of rape and incest."
When you've got people like this running and picking up big vote shares, you know the country is backward.
Why are so many blokes obsessed with what a women does with her own body? A country of idiots.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 9, 2022 9:53:43 GMT 1
Bad night for Trump it seems with his endorsees struggling. He's already threatened to torpedo a potential DeSantis bid too.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 9, 2022 9:59:19 GMT 1
"Crucially, the battle to become governor of Michigan was a battle over abortion rights.
Ms Whitmer made protecting abortion access a key theme of her campaign, while Mr Dixon backed a near-total ban on abortion, including for child victims of rape and incest."When you've got people like this running and picking up big vote shares, you know the country is backward. Why are so many blokes obsessed with what a women does with her own body? A country of idiots. Crazy isn't it. I mean how anyone can back Dixon looking to his stance on abortion is beyond me. But it is what it is, you just find yourself shaking your head at some of the stuff you pick up from over there. I'm sure and hope there are plenty of moderates in both camps but when you look a little further to the extremes; if its not Republicans and abortion its Democrats filling kids heads with CRT and Queer theory. I would say a country of idiots but some scary s**t nonetheless.  |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 9, 2022 10:12:32 GMT 1
Bad night for Trump it seems with his endorsees struggling. He's already threatened to torpedo a potential DeSantis bid too. Trump, the Gavin Williamson of American politics? |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 9, 2022 11:03:49 GMT 1
As the BBC put it, instead of a republican wave it looks like it's been a republican ripple.
Either people like Biden more then they are letting on, or people still despise Trump in large enough numbers.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 9, 2022 12:06:03 GMT 1
That's the question isn't it. Biden's popularity dropped to 39% just before these elections. So considering his approval rating is at an all time low, is this an endorsement of Biden or a rejection of Trump and his cohort. No doubt someway in-between but where exactly, that is what the Democrats need to figure out ahead of 2024. For the Republican's I think in the long run this is the best outcome. I doubt they would agree with that, mind but if they haven't yet figured out that Trump is the biggest obstacle towards winning in 2024 then...  A good win for DaSantis, done. No great gains but perhaps winning at least one of the houses, possible but no way guaranteed as things stand. But most important I think, a very clear message to Trump. Although whether he will take heed is another thing. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 9, 2022 15:44:35 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 9, 2022 15:58:51 GMT 1
Trump used to talk a good game, bigging up America.
But the petulent way he refused to accept the result of the election, citing problems, but not offering evidence (suppose nothing is perfect, but any problems could just as easy be biased either way). If you hole yourself up and never admit you lost then you lose credibility. You just look like a big baby.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 9, 2022 16:04:14 GMT 1
This anti-abortion rhetoric is actually starting to really p**s me off, it's ridiculous.
America is truly stuck in the 20th century.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 10, 2022 12:36:57 GMT 1
This anti-abortion rhetoric is actually starting to really p**s me off, it's ridiculous. America is truly stuck in the 20th century. Indeed, I imagine if they just dropped the whacko social issues and concentrated on the economy it would have actually been a red wave. Although saying that De Santis apparently fought mainly against "woke" and saw his numbers go through the roof, so who knows. |
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A good win for DaSantis, done. No great gains but perhaps winning at least one of the houses, possible but no way guaranteed as things stand. But most important I think, a very clear message to Trump. Although whether he will take heed is another thing.