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Post by block12massive on Nov 4, 2022 9:43:35 GMT 1
Thought this was deserving of its own thread.
Just wow.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:37:47 GMT 1
Demonizing migrants makes migrants commit rape? Is that what she is saying? Or does she mean in doing so it means that proper facilities are not available to stop this from happening. Although with all the will in the world, we're not going to be able to stop certain people from performing awful acts. And the blame here is on those who commit the crime. Whatever the situation, most do not act in this way. I mean lets not beat around the bush, as far as I can see Abbott is looking to directly blame Braverman for the rape of a child. And yes, I'd say that is pretty low.
And granted my memory isn't the best but I just wonder whether Abbott voiced the same outrage towards those who allowed thousands of mostly white working class girls to be groomed, sexually assaulted, raped and murdered throughout England. Whataboutery perhaps but its difficult to take lectures from a Labour MP when it comes to children's safeguarding.
Probably best she did turn of the replies looking to the quote tweets...
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:38:32 GMT 1
I don't think it's deserving of it's own thread. Ah well, each to their own. But since you do, I've copied my response to a similar post on the other thread:
Can't see anything wrong with Diane Abbot's words. Anyone who can should take the anti-Abbot blinkers off and examine her statement. "Teenage boy raped at hotel housing refugees. Terrible case" is that correct? "But it is what happens when you demonise migrants and take NO responsibility for safeguarding migrant children" Well, is Braverman demonising migrants "invading" this country? Is Braverman/this government taking any responsibility for safeguarding young people? They don't appear to be! Lack of safegaurding for "vulnerable" migrants in general is nothing new, this article is from April: Home Office safeguarding for immigration detainees ‘so ineffective’ as to be ‘fictional’
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 10:40:18 GMT 1
As I posted on the immigration thread:
Is it not similar to Sadiq Khan taking all the flak in London for the increase in knife crime? The criminals are abhorrent but the system isn’t doing it’s best to safeguard against such atrocities.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:43:08 GMT 1
The woman is a complete car crash, she should've learnt by now that keeping her mouth shut generally serves her best.
That goes for quite a few of them to be honest.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:47:34 GMT 1
As I posted on the immigration thread: Is it not similar to Sadiq Khan taking all the flak in London for the increase in knife crime? The criminals are abhorrent but the system isn’t doing it’s best to safeguard against such atrocities. If the authorities were running a children's home where adults from the general public were allowed free access to children without any vetting would the authorities not, rightly, be taken to task?
Those who have children in their care have to learn from past mistakes with grooming and allowing people like Saville free access to children. To know what might happen when adults have free access to children and do nothing makes the error far worse.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 10:50:51 GMT 1
Can't say much more than the other thread
Time after time she excuses evil and her views are a danger to national security. There's something particularly sick about being a rapist apologist though, and using it for political point scoring
She could've easily worded that to deplore the child rapist as well as criticise conditions the Govt have created (which would've been fair enough in my opinion) but no, she showed everyone what an odious character she is again
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 4, 2022 10:52:49 GMT 1
As I posted on the immigration thread: Is it not similar to Sadiq Khan taking all the flak in London for the increase in knife crime? The criminals are abhorrent but the system isn’t doing it’s best to safeguard against such atrocities. No. Your last sentence explains why. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:52:59 GMT 1
The woman is a complete car crash, she should've learnt by now that keeping her mouth shut generally serves her best. That goes for quite a few of them to be honest. From a certain faction of the Labour party that thankfully appears to be losing both influence and favor. I'm sure Starmer will be more than happy when one or two decide to hang up their boots. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:56:26 GMT 1
As I posted on the immigration thread: Is it not similar to Sadiq Khan taking all the flak in London for the increase in knife crime? The criminals are abhorrent but the system isn’t doing it’s best to safeguard against such atrocities. If the authorities were running a children's home where adults from the general public were allowed free access to children without any vetting would the authorities not, rightly, be taken to task? Clearly not, sex trafficking from care homes was rife from the late 90s onwards. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 10:58:02 GMT 1
The woman is a complete car crash, she should've learnt by now that keeping her mouth shut generally serves her best. That goes for quite a few of them to be honest. From a certain faction of the Labour party that thankfully appears to be losing both influence and favor. I'm sure Starmer will be more than happy when one or two decide to hang up their boots. Agreed, as long as this lot are still lurking in the background coming out with this type of crap, it's a tough job trusting and supporting Labour any more than the current shambles in charge |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 11:13:45 GMT 1
If the authorities were running a children's home where adults from the general public were allowed free access to children without any vetting would the authorities not, rightly, be taken to task? Clearly not, sex trafficking from care homes was rife from the late 90s onwards. And we have to learn from past mistakes. Hasn't Braverman ever read a newspaper or watched the news and seen what can happen to poorly safegaurded children? |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 11:57:03 GMT 1
To all those Abbott haters (I am not particularly a fan), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her constituency majority from approximately 8,000 to approximately 34,000. She must be doing something right.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 12:00:48 GMT 1
To all those Abbott haters (I am not particularly a fan), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her constituency majority from approximately 8,000 to approximately 34,000. She must be doing something right. You're not wrong, I find it absolutely incredible  I expect it's a case of you could put a mouldy pumpkin in a red rosette and it would win in Hackney, similar to some Tory constituencies round here |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 12:06:16 GMT 1
Always thought that if I had to have dinner with a politician, she would be one I might chose. Would be interesting to know what makes her tick, should I hate her too?
Now she's not really the talk of the town, I'd maybe chose Penny Mordaunt to try to work out if she really is the breath of fresh air the Tories have failed to plump for.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2022 12:27:41 GMT 1
From a certain faction of the Labour party that thankfully appears to be losing both influence and favor. I'm sure Starmer will be more than happy when one or two decide to hang up their boots. Agreed, as long as this lot are still lurking in the background coming out with this type of crap, it's a tough job trusting and supporting Labour any more than the current shambles in charge I still have my concerns about Starmer and Labour but they are certainly in a better place than they were before now for sure. I mean it does help not having a leader who gets a heavy dick for terrorists and anti-Semites for a start...👍 |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 14:07:35 GMT 1
To all those Abbott haters (I am not particularly a fan), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her constituency majority from approximately 8,000 to approximately 34,000. She must be doing something right. I'll say something now you probably won't agree with, but I think it's true. - A Tory will likely not win Hackney. - A white Tory has even less chance of winning Hackney. |
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Post by block12massive on Nov 4, 2022 14:37:32 GMT 1
To all those Abbott haters (I am not particularly a fan), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her constituency majority from approximately 8,000 to approximately 34,000. She must be doing something right. Standing in a constituency with a majority non-white demographic and presenting endless straw man arguments to portray it's inhabitants as victims is a vote winner it seems. Look at Lammy and Khan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 15:43:33 GMT 1
I didn’t realise so many people were so well informed on the constituency work of the MP for Hackney North  |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 16:13:51 GMT 1
To all those Abbott haters (I am not particularly a fan), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her constituency majority from approximately 8,000 to approximately 34,000. She must be doing something right. Standing in a constituency with a majority non-white demographic and presenting endless straw man arguments to portray it's inhabitants as victims is a vote winner it seems. Look at Lammy and Khan. Just get your facts correct before you misinform people. Sorry to rain on your parade ! "Around 40% of the population come from Black and Minority Ethnic groups with the largest group (approximately 20%) being Black or Black British. 36% the population are White British and 16% are “other White.” As of July 2022. The salient fact here is that she has increased her majority many fold and it has not varied little as in many safe Tory/Labour seats. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 16:24:22 GMT 1
Standing in a constituency with a majority non-white demographic and presenting endless straw man arguments to portray it's inhabitants as victims is a vote winner it seems. Look at Lammy and Khan. Just get your facts correct before you misinform people. Sorry to rain on your parade ! "Around 40% of the population come from Black and Minority Ethnic groups with the largest group (approximately 20%) being Black or Black British. 36% the population are White British and 16% are “other White.” As of July 2022. The salient fact here is that she has increased her majority many fold and it has not varied little as in many safe Tory/Labour seats. And 40% sits where against the population of BAME people in the UK? A pure guess, but I'd say at least double. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 17:36:48 GMT 1
Just get your facts correct before you misinform people. Sorry to rain on your parade ! "Around 40% of the population come from Black and Minority Ethnic groups with the largest group (approximately 20%) being Black or Black British. 36% the population are White British and 16% are “other White.” As of July 2022. The salient fact here is that she has increased her majority many fold and it has not varied little as in many safe Tory/Labour seats. And 40% sits where against the population of BAME people in the UK? A pure guess, but I'd say at least double. But not the majority in Hackney as a previous respondent suggested and alluded that this was why Abbott was elected/popular. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 21:36:16 GMT 1
And 40% sits where against the population of BAME people in the UK? A pure guess, but I'd say at least double. But not the majority in Hackney as a previous respondent suggested and alluded that this was why Abbott was elected/popular. 40% in any constituency is extremely high compared to the rest of the country? |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 23:47:24 GMT 1
But not the majority in Hackney as a previous respondent suggested and alluded that this was why Abbott was elected/popular. 40% in any constituency is extremely high compared to the rest of the country? That must also be the case as to why 78% of that constituency voted to remain in the referendum.  |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 5, 2022 10:47:05 GMT 1
40% in any constituency is extremely high compared to the rest of the country? That must also be the case as to why 78% of that constituency voted to remain in the referendum. Hackney's remain vote would have likely had a hefty head start, yes. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 5, 2022 11:23:28 GMT 1
To all those Braverman haters (I can take her or leave her), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her vote count and constituency majority by 6000 since taking office in 2015. She must be doing something right.
I suspect that goes for a fair few MP's who get an awful lot of attention on here. Not really sure what the point is here to be honest. Whatever majority you happen to sit on, it doesn't make you immune to criticism...👍
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 5, 2022 20:55:04 GMT 1
To all those Braverman haters (I can take her or leave her), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her vote count and constituency majority by 6000 since taking office in 2015. She must be doing something right. I suspect that goes for a fair few MP's who get an awful lot of attention on here. Not really sure what the point is here to be honest. Whatever majority you happen to sit on, it doesn't make you immune to criticism...👍 Has anyone on here say that they actually hate Braverman. I certainly haven't and nor would I. There are some individuals that have actually stated hate for Corbyn and Abbott and that is totally uncalled for. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 6, 2022 10:43:06 GMT 1
To all those Braverman haters (I can take her or leave her), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her vote count and constituency majority by 6000 since taking office in 2015. She must be doing something right. I suspect that goes for a fair few MP's who get an awful lot of attention on here. Not really sure what the point is here to be honest. Whatever majority you happen to sit on, it doesn't make you immune to criticism...👍 Has anyone on here say that they actually hate Braverman. I certainly haven't and nor would I. There are some individuals that have actually stated hate for Corbyn and Abbott and that is totally uncalled for. Has anyone here said that they actually hate Abbott? Or Corbyn for that matter. I certainty haven't and nor would I. Do you mean on this board? Where? |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 6, 2022 16:08:56 GMT 1
Has anyone on here say that they actually hate Braverman. I certainly haven't and nor would I. There are some individuals that have actually stated hate for Corbyn and Abbott and that is totally uncalled for. Has anyone here said that they actually hate Abbott? Or Corbyn for that matter. I certainty haven't and nor would I. Do you mean on this board? Where? Not on this thread but several times fairly recently on other threads and I have questioned them about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 16:45:58 GMT 1
To all those Braverman haters (I can take her or leave her), it must feel quite strange that as an MP she has increased her vote count and constituency majority by 6000 since taking office in 2015. She must be doing something right. I suspect that goes for a fair few MP's who get an awful lot of attention on here. Not really sure what the point is here to be honest. Whatever majority you happen to sit on, it doesn't make you immune to criticism...👍 Braverman got an increased majority in her safe Tory seat of Fareham, while Labour were in the process of losing a lot of what should have been relatively safe Labour seats.
Braverman has seen her share of the vote in one of the safest Tory seats in the country go up massively from 63% in 2017 to 63.7% in 2019 with an almost identical turnout. Hardly setting the world on fire.
Abbott saw her votes share drop from 75.1% to 70.3% with most of those votes going to the Green candidate. The Tories, even with Johnson and his Get Brexit Done mantra actually lost over 400 votes. Hackney North and Stoke Newington is the 19th largest Labour majority with 58%. Abbott has increased her votes from less than 19,000 to 40,000 in the years that she has been MP.
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