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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 31, 2022 18:02:25 GMT 1
Tony Mackay extremely doubtful” there would be enough oil and gas production in the North Sea to finance the fund.bearing in mind Tom Mackay and economist Terje Lind first propsed Norways soverign fund and we all know how succesful that was you would think he should know, the scottish media never sem to chalenge the SNP as they continue to peddle claims that north sea oil will kick start there economy and that htey can rejoin the eu without having the Euro, despite statments from the EU that all new members will have to have the euro the other problem for scotland is that once independent they will have to take on a % of the national debt somthing in the regon of £200 billion which combined with there fisacl record means they would not meet the finanicial requirments set out by the EU www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/nicola-sturgeon-s-plans-for-an-independent-scotland-rubbished-by-leading-economist/ar-AA13xLhA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8203c5ad3e734b68ad2b734219f24e42"Nicola Sturgeon's plan to kickstart the economy of an independent Scotland through North Sea oil and gas revenues has been rubbished by a world-leading economist behind Norway's £1 trillion oil fund." "Last week, Ms Sturgeon had to fend off accusations of lying after experts and EU insiders excoriated her insistence a separate Scotland in the EU could avoid committing to the euro and move to a Scottish pound. Rejecting the accusation by Mr Ross, she argued that a range of existing EU members did not use the single currency. However, Mr Ross pointed out that all countries in the EU have to commit to the single currency, with insiders warning that the rules would be more stringently applied to new members since the Brexit vote in 2016." He cited four unnamed Brussels sources in a report from The Times who stated a separate Scotland would have to commit to the euro, with one saying: “No euro, no membership.” |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2022 19:31:42 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already.
Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 31, 2022 19:42:53 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already. Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs? i like scotland and the scottish people and have no issue if they wont to go there own way. However i do get a bit frustrated that SNP keep making headline statments which dont stand up and the scottish press do nothing and say nothing to chalenge it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 8:31:51 GMT 1
Tony Mackay extremely doubtful” there would be enough oil and gas production in the North Sea to finance the fund.bearing in mind Tom Mackay and economist Terje Lind first propsed Norways soverign fund and we all know how succesful that was you would think he should know, the scottish media never sem to chalenge the SNP as they continue to peddle claims that north sea oil will kick start there economy and that htey can rejoin the eu without having the Euro, despite statments from the EU that all new members will have to have the euro the other problem for scotland is that once independent they will have to take on a % of the national debt somthing in the regon of £200 billion which combined with there fisacl record means they would not meet the finanicial requirments set out by the EU www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/nicola-sturgeon-s-plans-for-an-independent-scotland-rubbished-by-leading-economist/ar-AA13xLhA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8203c5ad3e734b68ad2b734219f24e42"Nicola Sturgeon's plan to kickstart the economy of an independent Scotland through North Sea oil and gas revenues has been rubbished by a world-leading economist behind Norway's £1 trillion oil fund." "Last week, Ms Sturgeon had to fend off accusations of lying after experts and EU insiders excoriated her insistence a separate Scotland in the EU could avoid committing to the euro and move to a Scottish pound. Rejecting the accusation by Mr Ross, she argued that a range of existing EU members did not use the single currency. However, Mr Ross pointed out that all countries in the EU have to commit to the single currency, with insiders warning that the rules would be more stringently applied to new members since the Brexit vote in 2016." He cited four unnamed Brussels sources in a report from The Times who stated a separate Scotland would have to commit to the euro, with one saying: “No euro, no membership.” Didn't Thatcher write and perform in a skit for Yes Minister where she wanted to abolish economists? One of her better ideas 
Didn't Michael Gove say that we'd all had enough of experts?
For what it's worth Montenegro use the Euro and they are nowhere near gaining membership.
I fully support Scottish independence and would also approve if Wales decided to go that way.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 1, 2022 9:20:03 GMT 1
Tony Mackay extremely doubtful” there would be enough oil and gas production in the North Sea to finance the fund.bearing in mind Tom Mackay and economist Terje Lind first propsed Norways soverign fund and we all know how succesful that was you would think he should know, the scottish media never sem to chalenge the SNP as they continue to peddle claims that north sea oil will kick start there economy and that htey can rejoin the eu without having the Euro, despite statments from the EU that all new members will have to have the euro the other problem for scotland is that once independent they will have to take on a % of the national debt somthing in the regon of £200 billion which combined with there fisacl record means they would not meet the finanicial requirments set out by the EU www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/nicola-sturgeon-s-plans-for-an-independent-scotland-rubbished-by-leading-economist/ar-AA13xLhA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8203c5ad3e734b68ad2b734219f24e42"Nicola Sturgeon's plan to kickstart the economy of an independent Scotland through North Sea oil and gas revenues has been rubbished by a world-leading economist behind Norway's £1 trillion oil fund." "Last week, Ms Sturgeon had to fend off accusations of lying after experts and EU insiders excoriated her insistence a separate Scotland in the EU could avoid committing to the euro and move to a Scottish pound. Rejecting the accusation by Mr Ross, she argued that a range of existing EU members did not use the single currency. However, Mr Ross pointed out that all countries in the EU have to commit to the single currency, with insiders warning that the rules would be more stringently applied to new members since the Brexit vote in 2016." He cited four unnamed Brussels sources in a report from The Times who stated a separate Scotland would have to commit to the euro, with one saying: “No euro, no membership.” Didn't Thatcher write and perform in a skit for Yes Minister where she wanted to abolish economists? One of her better ideas
Didn't Michael Gove say that we'd all had enough of experts?
For what it's worth Montenegro use the Euro and they are nowhere near gaining membership.
I fully support Scottish independence and would also approve if Wales decided to go that way.
I'm more than happy for them both to go if that's what they wish, although the Scots have already voted to stay. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 1, 2022 9:41:47 GMT 1
Tony Mackay extremely doubtful” there would be enough oil and gas production in the North Sea to finance the fund.bearing in mind Tom Mackay and economist Terje Lind first propsed Norways soverign fund and we all know how succesful that was you would think he should know, the scottish media never sem to chalenge the SNP as they continue to peddle claims that north sea oil will kick start there economy and that htey can rejoin the eu without having the Euro, despite statments from the EU that all new members will have to have the euro the other problem for scotland is that once independent they will have to take on a % of the national debt somthing in the regon of £200 billion which combined with there fisacl record means they would not meet the finanicial requirments set out by the EU www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/nicola-sturgeon-s-plans-for-an-independent-scotland-rubbished-by-leading-economist/ar-AA13xLhA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8203c5ad3e734b68ad2b734219f24e42"Nicola Sturgeon's plan to kickstart the economy of an independent Scotland through North Sea oil and gas revenues has been rubbished by a world-leading economist behind Norway's £1 trillion oil fund." "Last week, Ms Sturgeon had to fend off accusations of lying after experts and EU insiders excoriated her insistence a separate Scotland in the EU could avoid committing to the euro and move to a Scottish pound. Rejecting the accusation by Mr Ross, she argued that a range of existing EU members did not use the single currency. However, Mr Ross pointed out that all countries in the EU have to commit to the single currency, with insiders warning that the rules would be more stringently applied to new members since the Brexit vote in 2016." He cited four unnamed Brussels sources in a report from The Times who stated a separate Scotland would have to commit to the euro, with one saying: “No euro, no membership.” Didn't Thatcher write and perform in a skit for Yes Minister where she wanted to abolish economists? One of her better ideas
Didn't Michael Gove say that we'd all had enough of experts?
For what it's worth Montenegro use the Euro and they are nowhere near gaining membership.
I fully support Scottish independence and would also approve if Wales decided to go that way.
yes there are experts and experts but i think the man who was part of the norwegin soverin fund the most succesful soverign fund in the world view would have some credability. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2022 10:25:11 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already. Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs? I think the best chance they have is to push for a vote south of the border, I just wonder whether the English are just getting fed up with it all now and its a case of "off you go then"...  I think Sturgeon is very lucky in that she is able to hang her hat on the question of independence and voters up there look no further than that, by all accounts her record up there ain't so great. And for sure its a case of voting until the desired result occurs, I don't think we can underestimate the desire that some will have up there to be the one that leads Scotland to independence. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 1, 2022 18:06:04 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already. Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs? I think the best chance they have is to push for a vote south of the border, I just wonder whether the English are just getting fed up with it all now and its a case of "off you go then"... I think Sturgeon is very lucky in that she is able to hang her hat on the question of independence and voters up there look no further than that, by all accounts her record up there ain't so great. And for sure its a case of voting until the desired result occurs, I don't think we can underestimate the desire that some will have up there to be the one that leads Scotland to independence. " I don't think we can underestimate the desire that some will have up there to be the one that leads Scotland to independence." i think Sturgeon is desperate to have her place in history, the SNP's record in goverment by any markrer you would rate a goverment is truley appaling , hence my coments as to why does the scottish media giver her such a soft time. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 2, 2022 9:34:41 GMT 1
I think the best chance they have is to push for a vote south of the border, I just wonder whether the English are just getting fed up with it all now and its a case of "off you go then"... I think Sturgeon is very lucky in that she is able to hang her hat on the question of independence and voters up there look no further than that, by all accounts her record up there ain't so great. And for sure its a case of voting until the desired result occurs, I don't think we can underestimate the desire that some will have up there to be the one that leads Scotland to independence. i think Sturgeon is desperate to have her place in history, the SNP's record in goverment by any markrer you would rate a goverment is truley appaling , hence my coments as to why does the scottish media giver her such a soft time. Maybe Sturgeon will now have to settle on self-ID as her legacy, although you suspect that could be just as divisive as the question of independence. I'm sure there are many who think she can do no wrong but as you say, when you look to her record... |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 2, 2022 10:12:22 GMT 1
Does seem inevitable that Scotland will go independent but it will be a big loss for both sides. From what I gather a big problem is that we keep Trident in a military base in Scotland, so that would have to be moved at great expense to somewhere along the English/Welsh coast.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 2, 2022 16:50:15 GMT 1
Does seem inevitable that Scotland will go independent but it will be a big loss for both sides. From what I gather a big problem is that we keep Trident in a military base in Scotland, so that would have to be moved at great expense to somewhere along the English/Welsh coast. i can say now that plaid cymru wont want it |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 2, 2022 17:47:27 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already. Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs? Still coming out with this glib argument. The previous referendum was when we were "happily" ensconced in the EU and leading up to the 2015 election the EU registered very low on the electorate's priorities UK wide compared with many other concerns. Then Brexit came and was overwhelmingly rejected by Scotland so the goalposts had moved considerably. The argument for another referendum is abundantly clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:46:23 GMT 1
They've been in cloud cuckoo land for a long time the Scottish. I don't begrudge them a vote, but they've had one already. Is it a case of voting until the desired result occurs? Still coming out with this glib argument. The previous referendum was when we were "happily" ensconced in the EU and leading up to the 2015 election the EU registered very low on the electorate's priorities UK wide compared with many other concerns. Then Brexit came and was overwhelmingly rejected by Scotland so the goalposts had moved considerably. The argument for another referendum is abundantly clear. I was just about to make the same point, but you beat me to it.
The two countries* in the United Kingdom that voted comprehensively to remain in the EU are now the two countries that are likely to leave the UK. Northern Ireland is much more likely to join up with the Republic than it ever has been and therefore will gain instant access to the EU. Scotland is going to take longer, but there are fewer rules for membership of the EEA or EFTA, so in the medium term that is eminently achievable.
Which leaves England and Wales as isolated countries on the edge of Europe looking in, but surrounded on all sides. On the upside they both qualified for the World Cup though 
*Technically Northern Ireland could be described as a province and Wales as principality, but to all intents and purposes they are countries, especially in the eyes of most of the people that live there.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 3, 2022 16:13:29 GMT 1
Still coming out with this glib argument. The previous referendum was when we were "happily" ensconced in the EU and leading up to the 2015 election the EU registered very low on the electorate's priorities UK wide compared with many other concerns. Then Brexit came and was overwhelmingly rejected by Scotland so the goalposts had moved considerably. The argument for another referendum is abundantly clear. I was just about to make the same point, but you beat me to it.
The two countries* in the United Kingdom that voted comprehensively to remain in the EU are now the two countries that are likely to leave the UK. Northern Ireland is much more likely to join up with the Republic than it ever has been and therefore will gain instant access to the EU. Scotland is going to take longer, but there are fewer rules for membership of the EEA or EFTA, so in the medium term that is eminently achievable.
Which leaves England and Wales as isolated countries on the edge of Europe looking in, but surrounded on all sides. On the upside they both qualified for the World Cup though
*Technically Northern Ireland could be described as a province and Wales as principality, but to all intents and purposes they are countries, especially in the eyes of most of the people that live there.
what has tiped the balance in northern ireland was sinn fein winning the last election, also how they worked out the border would bound to increase demans for rejoining the EU and unification due to all the hassel it cause . |
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