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Post by martinshrew on Feb 9, 2023 10:35:34 GMT 1
Good to see all the lefties on this politics forum enjoying each other's ill-informed echos. Meanwhile, back outside in the real world. Is it based on a true change of opinion, or because this government have made a b******s of it? If nothing else I could sell up and move to somewhere sunny and warm. Thanks to Brexit I can't even do that any more. Which part of Brexit makes you unable to sell up and move somewhere sunny? I know a few who have. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 12:37:18 GMT 1
If nothing else I could sell up and move to somewhere sunny and warm. Thanks to Brexit I can't even do that any more. Which part of Brexit makes you unable to sell up and move somewhere sunny? I know a few who have. Granted I can still do it, but it is certainly not as straightforward as it once was. Conveniently ignoring the rest of my post, yet again. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 9, 2023 12:41:09 GMT 1
It appears another Brexit bonus has occured. It appears that the Royal Mail cyber attack occured due to the customs forms which all overseas post now have. Previously they were not necessary for the EU. So well done Brexit for ****ing things up again.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 9, 2023 14:41:43 GMT 1
Which part of Brexit makes you unable to sell up and move somewhere sunny? I know a few who have. Granted I can still do it, but it is certainly not as straightforward as it once was. Conveniently ignoring the rest of my post, yet again. To be fair Neil, I didn't really disagree with much of it so didn't feel the need to comment. It's a shame the incumbent has made a s**t storm out of a great opportunity, Brexit is tainted somewhat. Whether it becomes good, well I don't think anyone really knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 15:17:53 GMT 1
Granted I can still do it, but it is certainly not as straightforward as it once was. Conveniently ignoring the rest of my post, yet again. To be fair Neil, I didn't really disagree with much of it so didn't feel the need to comment. It's a shame the incumbent has made a s**t storm out of a great opportunity, Brexit is tainted somewhat. Whether it becomes good, well I don't think anyone really knows. You can't really blame Sunak, the incumbent, his three predecessors have made equally big pigs ear of the whole thing. The least said about that tw** Cameron, lighting the blue touch paper and then running off when it all blew up in his face, the better 🤬 |
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 9, 2023 15:25:04 GMT 1
To be fair Neil, I didn't really disagree with much of it so didn't feel the need to comment. It's a shame the incumbent has made a s**t storm out of a great opportunity, Brexit is tainted somewhat. Whether it becomes good, well I don't think anyone really knows. You can't really blame Sunak, the incumbent, his three predecessors have made equally big pigs ear of the whole thing. The least said about that tw** Cameron, lighting the blue touch paper and then running off when it all blew up in his face, the better 🤬 By stating incumbent I mean the party rather than leader, the entire house is self-serving. They need vetting completely before they can run as MPs. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 9, 2023 15:35:21 GMT 1
You can't really blame Sunak, the incumbent, his three predecessors have made equally big pigs ear of the whole thing. The least said about that tw** Cameron, lighting the blue touch paper and then running off when it all blew up in his face, the better 🤬 By stating incumbent I mean the party rather than leader, the entire house is self-serving. They need vetting completely before they can run as MPs. The problem is there are better paid jobs without so much hassle out there, Chairman of Severn Trent, for example, virtually runs itself I should think. Which means we often get those in it for themself, or so self important they think they are the chosen ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 19:10:08 GMT 1
You can't really blame Sunak, the incumbent, his three predecessors have made equally big pigs ear of the whole thing. The least said about that tw** Cameron, lighting the blue touch paper and then running off when it all blew up in his face, the better 🤬 By stating incumbent I mean the party rather than leader, the entire house is self-serving. They need vetting completely before they can run as MPs. Don't blame me owd lad, I can proudly say that I didn't vote for any them. Can you say the same? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 9, 2023 21:33:20 GMT 1
By stating incumbent I mean the party rather than leader, the entire house is self-serving. They need vetting completely before they can run as MPs. Don't blame me owd lad, I can proudly say that I didn't vote for any them. Can you say the same? By not voting for any of them you help let the biggest shyster through, someone with your political nouse should be able to weed out someone worthy of your vote, whatever party they belong to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 22:08:46 GMT 1
Don't blame me owd lad, I can proudly say that I didn't vote for any them. Can you say the same? By not voting for any of them you help let the biggest shyster through, someone with your political nouse should be able to weed out someone worthy of your vote, whatever party they belong to. Sorry, I meant I didn't vote for any of the to55ers that have been in Downing Street for the last 13 years. Labour through and through owd lad. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 9, 2023 22:14:05 GMT 1
By not voting for any of them you help let the biggest shyster through, someone with your political nouse should be able to weed out someone worthy of your vote, whatever party they belong to. Sorry, I meant I didn't vote for any of the to55ers that have been in Downing Street for the last 13 years. Labour through and through owd lad. It did amaze me to think that you may not have voted, seems my comment applies to others who didn't vote, you know who you are, but you are probably not reading the politics section anyway  |
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 13, 2023 20:41:43 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2023 22:11:34 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 20, 2023 10:51:44 GMT 1
Put it this way, Brexit was brought to you by the people who gave you "Test and Trace", purchased billions worth of duff ppe, took years to realise Smart Motorways were a rubbish idea, got rid of thousands of experienced police officers, austerity, Truss and indecision over HS2. Brexit working never really stood a chance did it?
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Post by kenwood on Apr 20, 2023 12:47:30 GMT 1
Put it this way, Brexit was brought to you by the people who gave you "Test and Trace", purchased billions worth of duff ppe, took years to realise Smart Motorways were a rubbish idea, got rid of thousands of experienced police officers, austerity, Truss and indecision over HS2. Brexit working never really stood a chance did it? Don’t you realise that because of Brexit we’ve got our Country back AND can now make our own laws . Do try and keep up 😉😳😂😂😂 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 20, 2023 13:10:25 GMT 1
Put it this way, Brexit was brought to you by the people who gave you "Test and Trace", purchased billions worth of duff ppe, took years to realise Smart Motorways were a rubbish idea, got rid of thousands of experienced police officers, austerity, Truss and indecision over HS2. Brexit working never really stood a chance did it? Don’t you realise that because of Brexit we’ve got our Country back AND can now make our own laws . Do try and keep up 😉😳😂😂😂 If you are Braverman and Sunak, break laws too. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 26, 2023 14:00:38 GMT 1
What the xxxx is going on? Wasn't Brexit supposed to enable the UK to do things on our own, to get the jump on the EU! "The US is spending billions to help electric car firms, green energy and microchips via loans and tax breaks. Europe is also planning to ease state help rules for firms in green sectors. But the UK has yet to announce its strategy, with the chancellor telling the BBC that he would wait to see what the EU did before making any decisions".
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Post by northwestman on Apr 27, 2023 19:43:58 GMT 1
Just one in five European Union laws is set to be scrapped in Rishi Sunak’s so-called Brexit bonfire, despite pledges to scrub more than 4,000 from the statute book.
The Prime Minister gave his public backing in January to the Retained EU Law Bill, which will abolish more than 4,000 EU laws by the end of this year.
However, in a briefing to senior Tory Eurosceptic MPs on Monday, Kemi Badenoch, the Trade Secretary, said that only 20 per cent of those laws - just 800 - were likely to be scrapped by Dec 31.
The number that Mrs Badenoch is proposing to remove is smaller than the 1,400 EU laws which were found in the National Archive as part of a Whitehall hunt for needless EU laws.
Mrs Badenoch reportedly told the MPs that civil servants had told her that it was impossible to remove the 4,000 EU laws, the vast bulk of which sit in the environment department.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on May 15, 2023 14:31:36 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 15, 2023 20:49:18 GMT 1
leaving the EU was a product of having a referundum that no ordinary voter had ever really pined for, purely for Cameron to try to appease the leavers in his own party. Backfired on him and he hightailed it away. After that, no one really knew/could agree what to do.
What a mess it proved to be, but, as always, the rich ensure they get riher at the expense of everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 5:51:34 GMT 1
The trouble with Brexit is that it was never actually defined in the run up to the referendum. Was it a clean break, no deal Brexit that everyone voted for or was it a Norway type deal or was it something in between?
No-one really expected the first of those options until Theresa May uttered the words 'No deal is better than a bad deal'. Once she said that it somehow became the only option and the leave side ran with it.
If we are ever going to go back sometime in the future all of those laws and statutes are going to have be reinstated and the hard line leavers know that, so are pushing for them all to go and will use the fact that these laws and statutes will have to come back as a reason not to rejoin in any future referendum.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 17, 2023 15:07:52 GMT 1
Are people ok with being out of the EU bloc, a major market for our fish and food products, cars and financial services?
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Post by wookeywombat on May 17, 2023 17:01:38 GMT 1
Are people ok with being out of the EU bloc, a major market for our fish and food products, cars and financial services? Who cares about trade when we have got back our old style blue (French manufactured) passports and we have rid ourselves of all those foreigners....oh wait a minute !! |
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Post by mattmw on May 17, 2023 18:49:06 GMT 1
There is a strange narrative emerging within the Conservative party about migration that kind of sums up the difficulties of brexit.
With the removal of free movement from the EU, the Government - or more specifically the Department of Employment and Treasury have created a new visa system allowing skilled workers from across the world to come to the UK and fill essential job vaccancies. There are checks in the process to ensure only certain sectors are included, and workers can maintain themselves whilst here. A similar system applys for University visas. The most recent economic figures show that economic growth starting to come back and the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) state that these levels of migration have contributed to the economic growth, and anticipte similar levels of migration to support the economy should be maintained in the future. So an actual post brexit policy that is working and "good news"
However the Home Secretary and sections of the Conservative party are saying they don't support this level of migration and want to see less visas offered in the future and migration reduced, putting the them and the Treasury on a collision course. So even within a party that fully supported brexit there is no clear view on what a brexit win might be
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 5:54:01 GMT 1
There is a strange narrative emerging within the Conservative party about migration that kind of sums up the difficulties of brexit. With the removal of free movement from the EU, the Government - or more specifically the Department of Employment and Treasury have created a new visa system allowing skilled workers from across the world to come to the UK and fill essential job vaccancies. There are checks in the process to ensure only certain sectors are included, and workers can maintain themselves whilst here. A similar system applys for University visas. The most recent economic figures show that economic growth starting to come back and the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) state that these levels of migration have contributed to the economic growth, and anticipte similar levels of migration to support the economy should be maintained in the future. So an actual post brexit policy that is working and "good news" However the Home Secretary and sections of the Conservative party are saying they don't support this level of migration and want to see less visas offered in the future and migration reduced, putting the them and the Treasury on a collision course. So even within a party that fully supported brexit there is no clear view on what a brexit win might be It's all very well allowing skilled workers to come over, but the vast majority of jobs in agriculture and the care and hospitality sectors, the very ones that are struggling with recruitment, are for 'unskilled' workers.
Unskilled is a major misnomer to be honest, because every job requires at least some level of skill, I couldn't see many engineers, architects, lawyers or scientists coping with a harvest in horizontal rain and sleet or cleaning up after a care home patient has an accident or even managing to make a decent skinny latté at Starbucks.
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Post by mattmw on May 22, 2023 11:12:06 GMT 1
There is a strange narrative emerging within the Conservative party about migration that kind of sums up the difficulties of brexit. With the removal of free movement from the EU, the Government - or more specifically the Department of Employment and Treasury have created a new visa system allowing skilled workers from across the world to come to the UK and fill essential job vaccancies. There are checks in the process to ensure only certain sectors are included, and workers can maintain themselves whilst here. A similar system applys for University visas. The most recent economic figures show that economic growth starting to come back and the Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) state that these levels of migration have contributed to the economic growth, and anticipte similar levels of migration to support the economy should be maintained in the future. So an actual post brexit policy that is working and "good news" However the Home Secretary and sections of the Conservative party are saying they don't support this level of migration and want to see less visas offered in the future and migration reduced, putting the them and the Treasury on a collision course. So even within a party that fully supported brexit there is no clear view on what a brexit win might be It's all very well allowing skilled workers to come over, but the vast majority of jobs in agriculture and the care and hospitality sectors, the very ones that are struggling with recruitment, are for 'unskilled' workers.
Unskilled is a major misnomer to be honest, because every job requires at least some level of skill, I couldn't see many engineers, architects, lawyers or scientists coping with a harvest in horizontal rain and sleet or cleaning up after a care home patient has an accident or even managing to make a decent skinny latté at Starbucks.
Yes there are big problems in the agricultural and food sector about recruiting works, and has been part of the disagreement between the Home office - who want less visas and the Department for Employement who would like to see more visas for lower paid workers. There is a review being undertaken at the moment, but no date set on the announcement. Very similar issues in the care sector too. www.gov.uk/government/news/defra-updates-on-independent-review-into-labour-shortages-in-the-food-supply-chainThere is a clear conflict in government on the issue at the moment, and the announcement of the latest migration figures this week are likely to reignite the issue. |
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