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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 8:04:22 GMT 1
Haven't really had much opportunity to discuss the fustercluck that is Brexit for a while due to Covid, Ukraine and all the s**t going on at Westminster, so I thought it might be time to take another look.
There have been some things that have been, let's say, not advantageous to the UK economy, but I'm sure that there are some on here that still think it was a good idea. Among those people there are bound to be some who think that the way we left was just about right.
I voted remain and if given the opportunity would vote to rejoin, but I still have to respect that the Leave vote won. What I don't believe that vote did though was to allow the Tories to put the last 40 odd years of improvements in this country onto a bonfire. We could have stayed in the Customs Union and the Single Market, but that wasn't Brexity enough for a small clique within the party that seem to hold a disproportionate amount of power.
If we had stayed in the CU and SM even I could have accepted that we might be better off leaving and possibly even got behind the idea, but unfortunately that wasn't to be.
As of yet, even 6 years later I have yet to be given a list of benefits that even comes close to making up for the loss of membership benefits we have thrown away, so if someone could help me out that would be great.
Going forward how do B&A members think we should build upon or further break down our relationship with our largest and closest markets?
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2022 8:43:07 GMT 1
For all this talk of how incredible the customs union and single market are, the euro says otherwise and continues to say otherwise.
For me, and others may well disagree, but being an Island nation makes us different somewhat to landlocked Europe. I can see the benefits to them being somewhat aligned, but I wouldn't want to be part of Europe again. How can Hungary have the same interests as Portugal, or Germany and Greece? They're different countries with very different economies and different outlooks.
Whilst they're semi politically aligned around a single goal of European peace (that's going well), it doesn't mean they should have to be aligned in practically every other way. German interests may well not be the interests of Hungary or Greece, yet Germany will effectively overpower.
I still believe leaving will because a success and be extremely fruitful, but it needs to right person at the helm driving it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 9:34:43 GMT 1
For all this talk of how incredible the customs union and single market are, the euro says otherwise and continues to say otherwise. For me, and others may well disagree, but being an Island nation makes us different somewhat to landlocked Europe. I can see the benefits to them being somewhat aligned, but I wouldn't want to be part of Europe again. How can Hungary have the same interests as Portugal, or Germany and Greece? They're different countries with very different economies and different outlooks. Whilst they're semi politically aligned around a single goal of European peace (that's going well), it doesn't mean they should have to be aligned in practically every other way. German interests may well not be the interests of Hungary or Greece, yet Germany will effectively overpower. I still believe leaving will because a success and be extremely fruitful, but it needs to right person at the helm driving it. I agree with you that not every country will have all of the same aims, just as not every person will share the same aims as their neighbours, but every country will share at least some of those aims. No single organisation of the size of the EU is going to be anywhere close to being perfect and it will never be all things to all men, but surely what they have is better than what came before. Easy and free imports and exports, the freedom to live, work, learn and retire in any of 27 countries are just a couple of the things that we have given up. Peace in Europe is an aim we can all get behind and no country that has been part of the EU has yet been in a conflict of any kind with another member, so to pull up what's going on in Ukraine is disingenuous to say the least. Most, if not all countries in the EU have taken in people fleeing that war. I am of the opinion that one day we will rejoin the CU and SM at the very least. |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 31, 2022 20:22:04 GMT 1
You can’t cherry pick which parts you want to be in, and which parts you want out of. That was the hard truth from the horses mouth
As soon as you stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, you then have to allow freedom of movement and at that point, you may aswell have stayed in the whole thing
I voted leave, glad I did, wouldn’t change my mind. At the same time, I think MP’s across the board have made a dogs dinner of it. Look no further than the Channel crossings farce…
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 7:53:41 GMT 1
You can’t cherry pick which parts you want to be in, and which parts you want out of. That was the hard truth from the horses mouth As soon as you stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, you then have to allow freedom of movement and at that point, you may aswell have stayed in the whole thing I voted leave, glad I did, wouldn’t change my mind. At the same time, I think MP’s across the board have made a dogs dinner of it. Look no further than the Channel crossings farce… Wasn't a Norway style deal part of the Leave campaign?
Wasn't EEA/EFTA membership part of that campaign?
What happened to the Canada++ option?
This year there has been a noticeable shortage of transient agricultural workers, which has led to either crops staying in the ground or higher prices in the shops. This is in part due to the lack of freedom of movement. There are also massive shortages of workers in the NHS and the care sector, many of those jobs were taken up by immigrants from Europe. Due to the loss of freedom of movement anyone holidaying in Europe now needs to go through further checks and passport controls, from next year will need to pay for a Visa waiver, we have lost access to healthcare in EFTA countries (EHIC v GHIC), to name a few.
Can you explain how have MPs from Labour, the LibDems, the SNP, Plaid or the Greens made a dog dinner of Brexit? The Tories have been in power for over 12 years, they are on their 5th leader in the last 6 1/2 years, they had an 80 seat majority at the last election. Surely even you can see where the blame should lie.
As for the Channel crossing farce, as you so eloquently put it, the French have been trying for ages to encourage the UK to sort out some kind of asylum processing centre near Calais, but successive Home Secretaries have refused to engage with them. No the crossings are not sustainable, but neither is chucking the people that do make it across into processing centres and forgetting about them. Those centres that were designed for 24 hours for up to 1,500 people are currently holding nearly 4,000 and many have been in them for 4 weeks or more. There are reports of diphtheria FFS. This is the 21st bloody century and we are supposed to be a world leading democracy and this is how we're treating human beings?
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 1, 2022 8:27:07 GMT 1
You can’t cherry pick which parts you want to be in, and which parts you want out of. That was the hard truth from the horses mouth As soon as you stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, you then have to allow freedom of movement and at that point, you may aswell have stayed in the whole thing I voted leave, glad I did, wouldn’t change my mind. At the same time, I think MP’s across the board have made a dogs dinner of it. Look no further than the Channel crossings farce… Wasn't a Norway style deal part of the Leave campaign?
Wasn't EEA/EFTA membership part of that campaign?
What happened to the Canada++ option?
This year there has been a noticeable shortage of transient agricultural workers, which has led to either crops staying in the ground or higher prices in the shops. This is in part due to the lack of freedom of movement. There are also massive shortages of workers in the NHS and the care sector, many of those jobs were taken up by immigrants from Europe. Due to the loss of freedom of movement anyone holidaying in Europe now needs to go through further checks and passport controls, from next year will need to pay for a Visa waiver, we have lost access to healthcare in EFTA countries (EHIC v GHIC), to name a few.
Can you explain how have MPs from Labour, the LibDems, the SNP, Plaid or the Greens made a dog dinner of Brexit? The Tories have been in power for over 12 years, they are on their 5th leader in the last 6 1/2 years, they had an 80 seat majority at the last election. Surely even you can see where the blame should lie.
As for the Channel crossing farce, as you so eloquently put it, the French have been trying for ages to encourage the UK to sort out some kind of asylum processing centre near Calais, but successive Home Secretaries have refused to engage with them. No the crossings are not sustainable, but neither is chucking the people that do make it across into processing centres and forgetting about them. Those centres that were designed for 24 hours for up to 1,500 people are currently holding nearly 4,000 and many have been in them for 4 weeks or more. There are reports of diphtheria FFS. This is the 21st bloody century and we are supposed to be a world leading democracy and this is how we're treating human beings?
By trying to block it and force a 2nd referendum at every turn, that’s how. I’m not defending the government, of course the buck stops with them I don’t know the ins, outs and details of the illegal immigrant crisis but a cost of c£7m per day, £2.5bn per year is eye wateringly painful when the working man is facing more tax rises and cuts. That’s before considering the security risks undocumented migrants bring The covid vaccine was a big positive of Brexit, likely saved thousands of lives and ensured we opened up before anywhere in the EU. If anything goes to show how painfully slow and clunky the EU is, it was the vaccines |
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Post by shrewder on Nov 1, 2022 8:38:03 GMT 1
I am inclined to look towards businesses, particularly small businesses as to negatives and positives of Brexit.
After all we all depend on them one way or another. If their general opinion is positive then I would go with that however if the majority have a negative view then that's bad for the rest of us. Be interesting to know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 8:44:28 GMT 1
Wasn't a Norway style deal part of the Leave campaign?
Wasn't EEA/EFTA membership part of that campaign?
What happened to the Canada++ option?
This year there has been a noticeable shortage of transient agricultural workers, which has led to either crops staying in the ground or higher prices in the shops. This is in part due to the lack of freedom of movement. There are also massive shortages of workers in the NHS and the care sector, many of those jobs were taken up by immigrants from Europe. Due to the loss of freedom of movement anyone holidaying in Europe now needs to go through further checks and passport controls, from next year will need to pay for a Visa waiver, we have lost access to healthcare in EFTA countries (EHIC v GHIC), to name a few.
Can you explain how have MPs from Labour, the LibDems, the SNP, Plaid or the Greens made a dog dinner of Brexit? The Tories have been in power for over 12 years, they are on their 5th leader in the last 6 1/2 years, they had an 80 seat majority at the last election. Surely even you can see where the blame should lie.
As for the Channel crossing farce, as you so eloquently put it, the French have been trying for ages to encourage the UK to sort out some kind of asylum processing centre near Calais, but successive Home Secretaries have refused to engage with them. No the crossings are not sustainable, but neither is chucking the people that do make it across into processing centres and forgetting about them. Those centres that were designed for 24 hours for up to 1,500 people are currently holding nearly 4,000 and many have been in them for 4 weeks or more. There are reports of diphtheria FFS. This is the 21st bloody century and we are supposed to be a world leading democracy and this is how we're treating human beings?
By trying to block it and force a 2nd referendum at every turn, that’s how. I’m not defending the government, of course the buck stops with them I don’t know the ins, outs and details of the illegal immigrant crisis but a cost of c£7m per day, £2.5bn per year is eye wateringly painful when the working man is facing more tax rises and cuts. That’s before considering the security risks undocumented migrants bring The covid vaccine was a big positive of Brexit, likely saved thousands of lives and ensured we opened up before anywhere in the EU. If anything goes to show how painfully slow and clunky the EU is, it was the vaccines Is it not the job of opposition parties to oppose? Labour actually offered to work with the Tories on the Brexit negotiations, but were told to jog on. Such an important negotiation could and should have had at least some cross party consensus, maybe then we would have had a coherent position to put before parliament, but internal bickering from the ERG mob led by Rees Mogg with Johnson piping in from the sidelines was bound to derail the May deal. Instead she got the boot and Johnsons oven ready deal, which was a poor rehash of the previous one, was delivered.
The costs of a badly negotiated Brexit are beginning to be felt throughout industry and the country as a whole. Add that to 12 years of austerity, Covid and the war in Ukraine and we are facing a tough few years ahead. Not to worry though, Moggy reckons it should all work out fine sometime in the next couple of generations or so.
You do realise that we could have gone our own way with the vaccines whether we were in or out of the EU.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 1, 2022 9:18:28 GMT 1
In reference to migrant crossing I have sympathy with those from Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc fleeing genuine war/war torn countries, but the Albanians should be pulled out the water and straight onto a waiting flight, no questions at all, they're economic migrants totally taking the p**s. The amount of crime commited by Albanians in this country is off the scale for the percentage of the population they make up.
The general migration crisis is farcical and someone has to get a grip on it, and a grip on the sheer cost of it.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 1, 2022 9:36:08 GMT 1
In reference to migrant crossing I have sympathy with those from Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc fleeing genuine war/war torn countries, but the Albanians should be pulled out the water and straight onto a waiting flight, no questions at all, they're economic migrants totally taking the p**s. The amount of crime commited by Albanians in this country is off the scale for the percentage of the population they make up. The general migration crisis is farcical and someone has to get a grip on it, and a grip on the sheer cost of it. Exactly, and safe, controlled borders SHOULD be another easy benefit of Brexit, as I say, another benefit they have currently bunged up |
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Post by kenwood on Nov 1, 2022 9:47:53 GMT 1
In reference to migrant crossing I have sympathy with those from Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc fleeing genuine war/war torn countries, but the Albanians should be pulled out the water and straight onto a waiting flight, no questions at all, they're economic migrants totally taking the p**s. The amount of crime commited by Albanians in this country is off the scale for the percentage of the population they make up. The general migration crisis is farcical and someone has to get a grip on it, and a grip on the sheer cost of it. I have every sympathy with migrants from war torn countries /those fleeing from religious persecution etc but agree completely with your comment about Albanians. I understand that the vast majority are male and form criminal gangs . There is no good reason to my mind as to why they should be welcomed in this country after coming across the channel in boats . If someone can explain otherwise I would be grateful. So, martinshrew I am totally with you on this one. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 1, 2022 12:57:09 GMT 1
I am inclined to look towards businesses, particularly small businesses as to negatives and positives of Brexit. After all we all depend on them one way or another. If their general opinion is positive then I would go with that however if the majority have a negative view then that's bad for the rest of us. Be interesting to know. As a small business owner my opinion of Brexit is entirely negative. World wide trade outside the EU has remained the same as far as my business is concerned but has dropped off to the EU because of increased bureaucracy and customs inspections which prolongs everything. In my dealings with ALL other small business exporters their view is similar to mine. Even during the Brexit campaign very, very few businesses were in favour. The whole business of immigrants arriving illegally via the Channel, if it wasn't so serious, it would be risible. After all Brexit was supposed to "give us back control over our borders". There were nowhere near as many arriving by this means when we were in the EU. The reason why we are not in the Customs Union (even though we were promised we would be by the Leave campaign or variations of the CU) is purely down to Xenophobia on behalf of a significant number of the electorate. |
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Post by shrewder on Nov 1, 2022 13:05:43 GMT 1
I am inclined to look towards businesses, particularly small businesses as to negatives and positives of Brexit. After all we all depend on them one way or another. If their general opinion is positive then I would go with that however if the majority have a negative view then that's bad for the rest of us. Be interesting to know. As a small business owner my opinion of Brexit is entirely negative. World wide trade outside the EU has remained the same as far as my business is concerned but has dropped off to the EU because of increased bureaucracy and customs inspections which prolongs everything. In my dealings with ALL other small business exporters their view is similar to mine. Even during the Brexit campaign very, very few businesses were in favour. The whole business of immigrants arriving illegally via the Channel, if it wasn't so serious, it would be risible. After all Brexit was supposed to "give us back control over our borders". There were nowhere near as many arriving by this means when we were in the EU. The reason why we are not in the Customs Union (even though we were promised we would be by the Leave campaign or variations of the CU) is purely down to Zenophobia on behalf of a significant number of the electorate. Excellent post. Certainly makes you wonder what it was all about |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 13:58:54 GMT 1
In reference to migrant crossing I have sympathy with those from Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc fleeing genuine war/war torn countries, but the Albanians should be pulled out the water and straight onto a waiting flight, no questions at all, they're economic migrants totally taking the p**s. The amount of crime commited by Albanians in this country is off the scale for the percentage of the population they make up. The general migration crisis is farcical and someone has to get a grip on it, and a grip on the sheer cost of it. This relies on quicker and more decisive processing once people arrive here though, so whilst a lot of the rhetoric is around stopping the boats from even getting here, surely the governments first priority should be vastly improving the processing system. Regardless of anybodys views on migrants, asylum seekers, the current squalor at Manston is horrific. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 1, 2022 14:03:58 GMT 1
In reference to migrant crossing I have sympathy with those from Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc fleeing genuine war/war torn countries, but the Albanians should be pulled out the water and straight onto a waiting flight, no questions at all, they're economic migrants totally taking the p**s. The amount of crime commited by Albanians in this country is off the scale for the percentage of the population they make up. The general migration crisis is farcical and someone has to get a grip on it, and a grip on the sheer cost of it. This relies on quicker and more decisive processing once people arrive here though, so whilst a lot of the rhetoric is around stopping the boats from even getting here, surely the governments first priority should be vastly improving the processing system. Regardless of anybodys views on migrants, asylum seekers, the current squalor at Manston is horrific. Does that not encourage people to cross more if the process is quick and slick? It's just a mess. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 14:22:17 GMT 1
This relies on quicker and more decisive processing once people arrive here though, so whilst a lot of the rhetoric is around stopping the boats from even getting here, surely the governments first priority should be vastly improving the processing system. Regardless of anybodys views on migrants, asylum seekers, the current squalor at Manston is horrific. Does that not encourage people to cross more if the process is quick and slick? It's just a mess. I guess that depends on how trusted the system is - one thing that everyone on any side of the argument will agree on is that the current system is not fit for purpose. A system that allows quick judgements to be made, successful applicants integrated into society and unsuccessful ones to be deported can surely only be good news from an economic and humanitarian point of view. And then once the systems in place you can work on methods of deterring undesirables from arriving in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 15:25:15 GMT 1
It was Tony Benn who said "The way a government treats refugees is very instructive, because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it."
Perhaps not strictly true, but remarkably close, especially for some of those in government.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2022 18:02:05 GMT 1
Fair takes your breath away when the ultra anti EU Daily Express is running stories like this:
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 19, 2022 0:01:58 GMT 1
Fair takes your breath away when the ultra anti EU Daily Express is running stories like this:
It is time more people admitted they were wrong to vote Leave but they are actually frightened to own their mistake for loss of face. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 19, 2022 0:39:20 GMT 1
Fair takes your breath away when the ultra anti EU Daily Express is running stories like this:
It is time more people admitted they were wrong to vote Leave but they are actually frightened to own their mistake for loss of face. I voted leave. Do I regret it? No Do I think it'll take time to align itself? Yes Would I change my vote again? Never |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 19, 2022 9:50:50 GMT 1
It is time more people admitted they were wrong to vote Leave but they are actually frightened to own their mistake for loss of face. I voted leave. Do I regret it? No Do I think it'll take time to align itself? Yes Would I change my vote again? Never But did you vote for this Brexit, or one with free trade? Are you ok with the Northern Ireand protocol? Are you ok with Paris taking over from London as the biggest stock exchange? Maybe you think all those EU laws should be gone by now? There's so many shades of Brexit, and so far we don't have the right shade. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 19, 2022 11:43:42 GMT 1
Brexit may or may not have been a genius move. We'll never know because it was never properly defined and the real referendum was nothing to do with whatever the hell "brexit" is; the actual decision to be made was whether you trusted Johnson's 2019 Conservatives to deliver. Sadly, far too many of us were conned.
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 19, 2022 11:52:40 GMT 1
It is time more people admitted they were wrong to vote Leave but they are actually frightened to own their mistake for loss of face. I voted leave. Do I regret it? No Do I think it'll take time to align itself? Yes Would I change my vote again? Never You are obviously in the facile Jacob Rees-Mogg camp which defeats any real purpose of Brexit. The real reason he is in favour is because of his Hedge fund which doesn't pay taxes in the UK and is registered in the Cayman Islands. The EU are clamping down on the tax dodgers which the present Conservative government fails to do. Maybe your status is the same !! www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566 |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 21, 2022 15:43:30 GMT 1
2016: Headline reads “Breaking free from the EU will send the cost of food tumbling, economic experts said.”
2021: Headline reads “As Britons face Christmas shortages, top boss delivers wake-up call with stark warning, get used to higher food bills.”
2017: Express headline reads: “Idea that farming will collapse after Brexit is absurd.”
2021: Headline from Express reads: “Farming disaster: Brexiteer admits many farmers will go out of business due to EU exit.”
2016: Express headline reads: “More reason to leave: Brexit Britain to take back control of its fishing waters.”
2021: An Express headline reads: “We didn’t vote for this! Fishing collapse as UK firms go bust and exporters flee to EU.”
2018: The Sun Online’s headline reads: “Brexit health bonanza: NHS to get extra £384 million a week – that’s more than on the Brexit battle bus.”
2021: The Sun Online’s headline reads: “Social care wage raid: Boris and Rishi eye National Insurance hike to pay for social care – smashing Tory manifesto promise.”
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 21, 2022 16:17:33 GMT 1
The media has a lot to answer for and no shame when it comes to proclaiming the exact opposite when things go wrong.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 21, 2022 16:49:09 GMT 1
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Post by edgmond on Nov 22, 2022 12:21:13 GMT 1
It is time more people admitted they were wrong to vote Leave but they are actually frightened to own their mistake for loss of face. I voted leave. Do I regret it? No Do I think it'll take time to align itself? Yes Would I change my vote again? Never I respect the fact that you are steadfast in your support for Leave and you obviously have the patience to wait for the perceived benefits to emerge eventually. Like me perhaps, and unlike anyone in farming, fishing or a business which relied on trade with EU countries, your personal circumstances won’t have been affected greatly, whichever way the vote went. However, the campaign fought in 2016 clearly promised quick or even instant advantages from leaving the EU. The most telling of your points was that you expect things to ‘take time to align’. I suspect that only a small minority of the 52% were of that belief six years ago. The Remain campaign was guilty at times of overstating the risks of leaving (Project Fear, as it was labelled). The country is now at a definite economic disadvantage and many of those promised great improvements in their circumstances (some of whom I mentioned in my first paragraph) are now worse off. Remain’s warnings are proving to be closer to the truth than most of the airy promises of the Leave campaigners. |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 23, 2022 10:22:22 GMT 1
Actually refreshing to have a grown up chancellor again. I don't understand how you could be a chancellor and think Brexit is a good idea. The role of the chancellor is to balance the books and encourage growth - Brexit is the opposite of that.
I get the sovereignty arguments but if your job was purely numbers then Brexit is the wrong choice 100% of the time. let's hope they see sense and start towards a closer relationship with the EU, it's inevitable.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2022 11:42:21 GMT 1
Brexit could not be mentioned in any detail by Starmer. Like the Tories, Labour can’t bring itself to say that there are no Brexit benefits that anyone has yet identified. That Brexit is costing the country 4% of GDP.
So there is an omerta. The two biggest parties unable even to speak about one of the main reasons the economy is falling into recession. In case the country feels betrayed. Both just hoping that one day – in some unspecified year in the future – people suddenly realise Brexit has been a terrible mistake. And then the Tories and Labour can say I told you so. Except they didn’t. So take your pick. A competent Starmer with one arm tied behind his back. Or a hapless Sunak with both arms tied.
John Crace - The Guardian.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2022 12:18:51 GMT 1
As we began the new year, I challenged our-then Prime Minister to prove to the people of this country – both Brexiteers and Remainers – that Brexit isn’t destined to become a historic failure. The Government had a year to fix Brexit otherwise it would have to be considered a failure, I suggested.
With Christmas suddenly looming, it only seems right to ask how far we’ve come since then, the answer to which is very obviously nowhere, despite a Cabinet pledge to “go further and faster” to maximise the opportunities of Brexit. Incredibly, it is now more than six years since the referendum and nearly two since our actual EU exit. Yet, there has been zero progress on any of the defining issues whether it is immigration, trade, red tape, or labour shortages. Life outside the EU simply hasn’t lived up to its billing.
Yet, what is most extraordinary about the whole situation is that blame for its failure cannot be attributed to “mutinous Remainers”. Brexit has turned out to be the dampest of squibs because this Government has repeatedly failed to deliver the benefits it insisted would be forthcoming. It is mostly down to woeful execution on the part of incompetent and politically impotent ministers.
Last week, a survey from YouGov suggests that public support for Brexit currently stands at an all-time low. Just 32pc of Britons believe it was right to leave and 56pc think it was wrong, the largest gap yet.
Further criticism has come from what Brexiteers might dismiss as the Remainer establishment. Blaming Britain’s departure from the EU for permanently damaging the UK economy, former Bank of England policymaker Michael Saunders claimed that Brexit was the ultimate reason for a fresh round of austerity.
Yet dissent is emerging inside the tent too, making it much harder to ignore. A free trade bonanza has not been unleashed, and even the flagship trade deal Britain struck with Australia has been rubbished by the Brexiteer former cabinet minister George Eustice.
Eustice criticised the agreement as not “a very good deal” for the UK because the Government “gave away far too much for far too little in return”.
Meanwhile, even Treasury minister Andrew Griffith found himself unable to name a single benefit in the Commons this week, having boasted that Brexit is “already delivering”.
And now, the Chancellor of all people, has dared to poke his head above the parapet only for it to be shot off by hardline Brexiteer MPs in the European Research Group, peddling a tired betrayal narrative.
Chief City Commentator - Daily Telegraph.
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