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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2022 20:08:00 GMT 1
No one seems to have challenged Truss’ policy of relying on tax cuts, to,point out that any reductions to personal taxes won’t take effect until April 2023, I.e. new tax year, by when we’ll have had 6 months of winter with the highest fuel prices with no support. No way is she going to get away with that! There's more than one way though - maybe put the VAT rate down immediately? To some extent that also benefits those not earning enough to pay income tax. A VAT reduction also probably staves off a recession - anyone who still has any savings and was considering doing up their house or making a big purchase thinks now might be the time, while the VATs lower. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2022 20:09:39 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 17, 2022 20:32:23 GMT 1
To be fair to them I don’t think Cameron, Osborne and Clegg had much of a clue either.
The rot started with them and this lot have just taken it to the extreme.
They don’t know and they genuinely don’t care no matter what they say.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2022 20:42:46 GMT 1
To be fair to them I don’t think Cameron, Osborne and Clegg had much of a clue either. The rot started with them and this lot have just taken it to the extreme. They don’t know and they genuinely don’t care no matter what they say. Perhaps exemplified by the party-hardy approach in No 10 while we all sheltered at home and the clapping for the NHS that didn't turn into paying for the NHS - pay rises, repairing leaky rooves, building all those promised new hospitals, sorting out ambulance waiting times, etc. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 18, 2022 12:09:24 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/18/tory-leadership-contests-faster-future-minister-james-cleverlyFollowing news that the government’s preferred measure of the cost of living rose by 10.1% in the year to July, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said higher inflation would mean extra spending on welfare benefits, state pensions and debt interest. The result of inflation being five times higher than a year earlier would be weaker public finances, making it harder for Truss or Sunak to make good on their tax pledges, the IFS said. Truss has said she would reverse the increase in national insurance contributions and not go ahead with the planned rise in corporation tax next year – with her package estimated to cost £30bn. Sunak has said he would cut taxes but only when inflation is under control. Sunak’s campaign said the IFS analysis “drives a coach and horses” through his rival’s proposals, and that he had “consistently made the case that permanent, unfunded tax cuts would cause significant damage to the public finances and push inflation up higher”.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 18, 2022 13:27:34 GMT 1
What ever the question, Liz Truss is not the answer
Rishi Sunak, not ideal, but did he really stab Boris in the back? Remember the week Boris finally went, there was a new scandal every day - he had to go.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 18, 2022 16:05:16 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Aug 18, 2022 16:16:13 GMT 1
Meanwhile, Truss is ducking talking to farmers. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/18/farmers-nfu-empty-chair-liz-truss-refusal-to-attend-rural-hustingsLiz Truss has been accused of snubbing farmers after refusing to attend rural hustings hosted by the National Farmers’ Union. Her leadership rival, Rishi Sunak, is due to address members of the National Farmers’ Union on Friday, but despite pleas from the president of the NFU, Truss has refused to attend. The foreign secretary would probably have been asked about the accusations on Wednesday by the environment secretary, George Eustice, that she refused to enshrine animal welfare standards in trade deals. UK farmers have felt undercut by post-Brexit trade deals with other countries, which have threatened to hold agriculture abroad to lower standards than those that farmers at home are forced to comply with. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 18, 2022 16:18:51 GMT 1
They've been on diet, since 2020.
What does Truss have for breakfast? Frosties?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 19, 2022 10:23:27 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 19, 2022 14:04:57 GMT 1
What's going on, has the Daily Mail realised it's error?? (Spoiler alert: It's Rishi Sunak!) |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 20, 2022 10:05:11 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron.
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Post by jamo on Aug 20, 2022 11:46:16 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron. There is a quite staggering article by Mathew Parris in todays Times that puts your points across with great clarity, very funny column and well worth a read if you get the chance |
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 20, 2022 12:18:45 GMT 1
Just over two weeks until Trussolini is crowned and we officially hit the bottom of the barrel.
Enjoy the weekend, everyone.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 20, 2022 12:45:17 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron. You'd be saying the same about any of them had any candidate come through. It's boring now. |
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 20, 2022 14:03:49 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron. You'd be saying the same about any of them had any candidate come through. It's boring now. Quite right, Martin, but in his defence, we non Labour supporters also offer our opinions on the brainless non-entities who emerge to challenge for the Leadership of that Party.... |
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Post by gollum on Aug 20, 2022 15:12:54 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron. There is a quite staggering article by Mathew Parris in todays Times that puts your points across with great clarity, very funny column and well worth a read if you get the chance Bloody hell Jamo, is it really you ? I thought you’d p**sed off and joined the Tory Party . Are you well ? |
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Post by kp on Aug 20, 2022 15:34:49 GMT 1
You'd be saying the same about any of them had any candidate come through. It's boring now. Quite right, Martin, but in his defence, we non Labour supporters also offer our opinions on the brainless non-entities who emerge to challenge for the Leadership of that Party.... Indeed so. The only issue I would have is that it is merely distraction. We have an elected government. Elected by a landslide this time round. The same party has been in government since 2010. Well over a decade. How are things going? |
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 20, 2022 16:27:47 GMT 1
Quite right, Martin, but in his defence, we non Labour supporters also offer our opinions on the brainless non-entities who emerge to challenge for the Leadership of that Party.... Indeed so. The only issue I would have is that it is merely distraction. We have an elected government. Elected by a landslide this time round. The same party has been in government since 2010. Well over a decade. How are things going? Not swimmingly, I grant you, but noone can lay all the blame for our current difficulties at the feet of our government; if I were a Labour supporter, I would be thankful that the electorate hadn't put Labour in power; despite everything, I most certainly am! |
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 20, 2022 18:01:31 GMT 1
You'd be saying the same about any of them had any candidate come through. It's boring now. Quite right, Martin, but in his defence, we non Labour supporters also offer our opinions on the brainless non-entities who emerge to challenge for the Leadership of that Party.... I'm not so sure, I judge all on their credentials in all parties. Starmers fine, he's just not passionate about anything. He's a vanilla milkshake, plain chicken and chips, chicken korma type of guy. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 20, 2022 18:01:47 GMT 1
Is this self indulgent circus still rumbling on? There will be record low levels of enthusiasm for whoever is unfortunate enough to win.
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Post by kp on Aug 20, 2022 18:21:40 GMT 1
Indeed so. The only issue I would have is that it is merely distraction. We have an elected government. Elected by a landslide this time round. The same party has been in government since 2010. Well over a decade. How are things going? Not swimmingly, I grant you, but noone can lay all the blame for our current difficulties at the feet of our government; if I were a Labour supporter, I would be thankful that the electorate hadn't put Labour in power; despite everything, I most certainly am! You reap what you sow and get the government you deserve. I am sure we are all glad at this point that our utilities are own by foreign investors... Luckily for the current charlatans in power the electorate are politically semi literate at best. Imagine how bad things would be under labour is akin to imagine how bad I would have had Covid had I not had my booster... |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 20, 2022 18:23:45 GMT 1
"Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down" Matthew Parris.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 20, 2022 18:26:24 GMT 1
I think the overwhelming vibe is that Truss embodies the very worst attributes of all recent Tory PMs. The facility to lie of Johnson, the awkwardness of May and the glib soundbites of Cameron. There is a quite staggering article by Mathew Parris in todays Times that puts your points across with great clarity, very funny column and well worth a read if you get the chance Any chance of you giving us a breakdown as to what was said? As you know, the Times is behind a paywall. |
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Post by jamo on Aug 20, 2022 20:04:39 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 21, 2022 7:42:38 GMT 1
More quotes from former ministers “members are going one way with Liz, the country at large the other way”, and “she will come across just as Boris without the charm”.
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 21, 2022 8:25:21 GMT 1
Not swimmingly, I grant you, but noone can lay all the blame for our current difficulties at the feet of our government; if I were a Labour supporter, I would be thankful that the electorate hadn't put Labour in power; despite everything, I most certainly am! You reap what you sow and get the government you deserve. I am sure we are all glad at this point that our utilities are own by foreign investors... Luckily for the current charlatans in power the electorate are politically semi literate at best. Imagine how bad things would be under labour is akin to imagine how bad I would have had Covid had I not had my booster... What is it with this insistence on the Left of British politics that the electorate is "semi-literate at best"? As I have pointed out to another left-leaning member, insulting the very people whose support you will need in order to bring about the changes you want is hardly the the wisest move from someone who evidently considers himself to be better than semi-literate! I suppose those of us who are deemed "semi-literate by the smug arrogance betrayed in such attitudes can now look forward to the "re-education" camps.... |
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Post by kp on Aug 21, 2022 10:14:12 GMT 1
You reap what you sow and get the government you deserve. I am sure we are all glad at this point that our utilities are own by foreign investors... Luckily for the current charlatans in power the electorate are politically semi literate at best. Imagine how bad things would be under labour is akin to imagine how bad I would have had Covid had I not had my booster... What is it with this insistence on the Left of British politics that the electorate is "semi-literate at best"? As I have pointed out to another left-leaning member, insulting the very people whose support you will need in order to bring about the changes you want is hardly the the wisest move from someone who evidently considers himself to be better than semi-literate! I suppose those of us who are deemed "semi-literate by the smug arrogance betrayed in such attitudes can now look forward to the "re-education" camps.... I posted up the facts for you last time you queried this but you ignored them. You were presented with the percentage of the population who cannot even name their constituency, let alone their MP. You were presented with the voter turnout numbers. I repeat, you simultaneously hold the belief that half the population cannot even name their MP whilst at the same time being politically aware. By the way the left/right false dichotomy that forms the current paradigm is just another divide and conquer 101. It really works. Stay distracted, you are doing a wonderful job. |
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 21, 2022 10:35:42 GMT 1
My grievance is that the Tory party had an opportunity to appoint a candidate who was nothing to do with the previous tainted regime and they chose not to do it. It speaks volumes I’m afraid.
They have had the chance to try and make a fresh start but they have spurned it and this will be one of the reasons why the next incumbent will be criticised by, may I say, not just by neutrals, but by friends I have spoken to who are ardent Tory voters.
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 21, 2022 10:41:11 GMT 1
What is it with this insistence on the Left of British politics that the electorate is "semi-literate at best"? As I have pointed out to another left-leaning member, insulting the very people whose support you will need in order to bring about the changes you want is hardly the the wisest move from someone who evidently considers himself to be better than semi-literate! I suppose those of us who are deemed "semi-literate by the smug arrogance betrayed in such attitudes can now look forward to the "re-education" camps.... I posted up the facts for you last time you queried this but you ignored them. You were presented with the percentage of the population who cannot even name their constituency, let alone their MP. You were presented with the voter turnout numbers. I repeat, you simultaneously hold the belief that half the population cannot even name their MP whilst at the same time being politically aware. By the way the left/right false dichotomy that forms the current paradigm is just another divide and conquer 101. It really works. Stay distracted, you are doing a wonderful job. I fail to understand why you harbour the belief that, my calling a large proportion of the electorate "semi-literate" you will, in a democracy, succeed in your mission for change! It may well be the case that our democracy has the imperfections to which you allude - I do not dispute that possibility - but ultimately, you will need the support of the electorate, and nothing, short of a revolution, will alter that basic fact: if you don't understand that, then I suggest, reluctantly, that your own political literacy is sadly lacking. |
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