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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 9, 2022 17:12:55 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 9, 2022 17:31:13 GMT 1
Disastrous if happens, and I say this as someone who would potentially benefit, living so far from Shrewsbury these days.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 9, 2022 17:34:25 GMT 1
There’s nothing like being at the game itself, but some of those unappealing mid-winter away games in the middle of a bad run of form suddenly become twice as unappealing. Especially in a cost of living crisis.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 9, 2022 17:39:26 GMT 1
Works here in Germany (for example, I can watch all the Kickers game online) but I think it works here because football is cheaper to watch here (I think so anyhow). With the price of tickets in England I think more might be tempted to take the cheaper option to watch it from home (if it will be cheaper) which may result in clubs losing money.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 9, 2022 21:09:38 GMT 1
can't see it happening in the championship but can in league 1 & 2
I've love to be able to watch town away games when I want to, I'd be there in person if I could
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Post by Dale on Jun 9, 2022 21:48:18 GMT 1
There are ways to watch Saturday 3pm games on TV now anyway, obviously not legal ones!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 9, 2022 23:32:12 GMT 1
There are ways to watch Saturday 3pm games on TV now anyway, obviously not legal ones! yes, but such a pain at times, I get annoyed at those who watch home and away games with an follow season ticket to save money and the bother of going, ok fair enough if they can't afford it but as I've already said I simply can't make many away games, last season I had 1 in 6 Saturdays off and the amount that fell on a home game was annoying. every club in league 2 made money off me last season that they might not have done had they not shown the games at 3pm ( expect the ones I attended ). I'm sure the likes of myself do the same when their side plays at Shrewsbury I think there should be an away season ticket where home and away sides get an equal share, I'd still attend game that I was not working don't really know how this all actually effects clubs but I sense its a big no no for our club, but then again they don't give a s**t about the fans
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Post by MartinB on Jun 10, 2022 8:40:44 GMT 1
Interesting one. It wouldn't be surprising if attendances particularly away followers drop across the country this season, with petrol costs being a prime consideration. Debate is would being able to watch the game at home provide another source of income or does it encourage more people not to go?
I don't know the answer to that question, even for myself so not a clue how the Clubs will work out what the answer is?
Night game I was looking at last year, in the end something came up so watched from home, meant in bed by 10pm rather than 2am and cost me £10 rather than £100. I did miss not meeting up with mates and prefer watching live
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Post by block12massive on Jun 10, 2022 8:58:23 GMT 1
A tricky one.
I personally think the 3pm kickoff should remain sacred but as Feado rightly points out with the cost of living crisis - particularly fuel, I think people will think twice about travelling long distances to games.
Nothing will ever replicate the real thing. Covid was a good example of that.
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Post by edgmond on Jun 10, 2022 9:15:28 GMT 1
As someone who lives 240 miles from Shrewsbury it would be a real bonus. I used to make between five and ten home games a season, meeting one or more family members in town for a drink before the match. Unfortunately, one is no longer with us and the other has commitments elsewhere. It’s a long old day travelling on your own, especially the return journey after a defeat, and age is slowly reducing my stamina!
Having said all that, nothing equals the experience of being in the crowd and I can’t imagine many fans who live closer opting for watching a live stream at home. Midweek games are already available so I think that it’s only the number of Saturday away fans which might be affected.
Surely the best option would be a season long trial (ensuring the stream is only available domestically and not to pubs). Clubs could then assess the true financial impact and vote whether or not to continue the arrangement for the following season.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 10, 2022 9:54:41 GMT 1
I've paid for my season ticket. I've paid for my car park pass. I won't use the catering facilities as the food provided is low quality and overpriced. Last season's programme was mainly ads and had little content of interest, so I'd now be hesitating paying £3 for it. So my only outlay would be a couple of beers in Smithy's.
I rarely attend away games nowadays, so those clubs wouldn't be losing any revenue from me.
So if I was able to watch a reasonable % of games on ifollow as well including Saturday ones, then the Club would probably be making more profit from me.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 10, 2022 10:00:29 GMT 1
Cricket is already providing live streams for all matches, even the T20s.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 10, 2022 10:15:31 GMT 1
Games wouldn't stop me from going to home matches because it's a social thing. I like meeting up with people I otherwise wouldn't see as much.
They would also miss my pearls of wisdom such as, "Cotterill has given Udoh an udder contract, he must have s**t in his eyes".
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 10, 2022 10:18:26 GMT 1
Now we’ve moved I would certainly like the option not to travel sometimes. I like attending for the social reasons. I would miss meeting up with people but when it’s a lousy day weather wise it’s a hell of a journey.
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Post by block12massive on Jun 10, 2022 10:22:20 GMT 1
I've paid for my season ticket. I've paid for my car park pass. I won't use the catering facilities as the food provided is low quality and overpriced. Last season's programme was mainly ads and had little content of interest, so I'd now be hesitating paying £3 for it. So my only outlay would be a couple of beers in Smithy's. I rarely attend away games nowadays, so those clubs wouldn't be losing any revenue from me. So if I was able to watch a reasonable % of games on ifollow as well including Saturday ones, then the Club would probably be making more profit from me. I presume it's the home club that gets 100% of the gate receipts? I was never entirely sure how it worked. I know in the FA Cup the receipts are split. And with regards to Ifollow, do we know how much of that goes to the club(s) and again is it the home team that benefits?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 10, 2022 10:35:03 GMT 1
Now we’ve moved I would certainly like the option not to travel sometimes. I like attending for the social reasons. I would miss meeting up with people but when it’s a lousy day weather wise it’s a hell of a journey. Yes, having lived in Bramley for a short time and commuted to Manchester in the depths of winter, I can vouch personally for the horrors of using the M62 and going over Saddleworth Moor, especially when there's been an accident and there's a tailback of traffic stretching for miles.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 10, 2022 10:46:05 GMT 1
Yes it’s very atmospheric but not good in bad weather and the dark.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 10, 2022 11:44:15 GMT 1
There's an air of inevitability about this and the cost of living crisis is likely to make it more urgent, as I'll be surprised if we don't see significantly reduced attendances across the EFL next season. It will have its good and bad aspects but I'm sure it will happen eventually.
From the clubs' perspective it's all about the pricing and divvying up the streaming revenue equitably. We get all the revenue when, say, Sheff Wed sell out our away end (minus an admin cost), so should our share of their streaming revenue for the fixture be capped at that amount or split on some basis throughout? Would actual away receipts be deducted?
And is £10 the right price level, when many will share the same stream? Can't push it much higher though, or solo streamers will be lost.
There could be a big gain if streaming revenues off (I expect advertising would come into it too), as it might rein in ticket price increases to encourage a live audience. Perhaps we'd see more match-to-match pricing initiatives to encourage turnout for less obviously attractive fixtures (ie most of them!).
I think this is inevitable, as I say, but probably only a stepping stone to augmented reality, which the biggest PL clubs are already actively exploring. AR is like virtual reality except the "reality" is real, not virtual - it'll be like watching from a seat in the ground. I think AR is going to be the future for sporting events, concerts, theatre and any other major live events. Instead of watching a screen, people will be immersed in the real, 360 degree environment as it happens, so it'll be as close to the live experience as you could get without actually being there. And the audience is limited only by the availability of the technology, not the size of the venue.
None of this will replace the social aspect of going to football that many are fortunate to enjoy. But life changes mean that, for many of us (including me half the time), going to a match isn't much of a social experience as we go on our own anyway.
Change is coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 14:11:30 GMT 1
I've paid for my season ticket. I've paid for my car park pass. I won't use the catering facilities as the food provided is low quality and overpriced. Last season's programme was mainly ads and had little content of interest, so I'd now be hesitating paying £3 for it. So my only outlay would be a couple of beers in Smithy's. I rarely attend away games nowadays, so those clubs wouldn't be losing any revenue from me. So if I was able to watch a reasonable % of games on ifollow as well including Saturday ones, then the Club would probably be making more profit from me. I presume it's the home club that gets 100% of the gate receipts? I was never entirely sure how it worked. I know in the FA Cup the receipts are split. And with regards to Ifollow, do we know how much of that goes to the club(s) and again is it the home team that benefits? If you can’t make the game but still want to follow the live action then it’s not too late. Get an iFollow match pass from your club and enjoy the match from the comfort of your own screen for just £10.00. With at least 80% of iFollow net revenues going straight to your club, it’s a great way to show your support! www.efl.com/iFollow/matchpass/
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 10, 2022 15:06:29 GMT 1
I presume it's the home club that gets 100% of the gate receipts? I was never entirely sure how it worked. I know in the FA Cup the receipts are split. And with regards to Ifollow, do we know how much of that goes to the club(s) and again is it the home team that benefits? If you can’t make the game but still want to follow the live action then it’s not too late. Get an iFollow match pass from your club and enjoy the match from the comfort of your own screen for just £10.00. With at least 80% of iFollow net revenues going straight to your club, it’s a great way to show your support! www.efl.com/iFollow/matchpass/ but that isn't for any 3pm matches at present
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jun 10, 2022 17:47:33 GMT 1
Interesting. As someone who's had an ifollow account and a VPN since August 2017 and therefore has watched every second of pretty much every game either live or in person during that time I think the direction of travel here is clear but nothing will ever beat a live experience. Despite living in Suffolk I made 18 games last season, almost one in three, but I did bail on Sunderland away the week the game before simply because of fuel costs and the thought of a 600+ mile journey on my own, and of course knowing I could watch it safely from my sofa.
As with everything the devil will be in the detail. Hopefully it won't be a free for all, and perhaps a percentage of revenue will be pooled and paid out based on finishing position perhaps, or maybe as others have said it will be a trial to see how it affects attendances and revenue, as even if the former falls, the latter may rise, so what's the best balance?
It's also fair to say the ifollow product has improved immensely in that time, multiple cameras, replays, etc. makes at pretty professional product so if they can monetise that more without affecting attendances, atmosphere and overall revenue I think we can all guess where this is heading.
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