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Post by block12massive on Jun 7, 2022 16:33:02 GMT 1
"UK cinema chain has cancelled all screenings of a “blasphemous” film about the daughter of the prophet Muhammad after branches were picketed by Muslim activists.
Cineworld said it the decision to cancel all showings of The Lady of Heaven to “ensure the safety of our staff and customers”.
The cancellation was criticised by a House of Lords peer as being “disastrous for the arts, dangerous for free speech”.
The film’s producer defended the rights of the protesters to express their displeasure but said it was “silly” and against British values for the film to be pulled completely.
A video circulating online showed the manager of Sheffield Cineworld telling protesters that Sunday night’s screening had been cancelled, to cries of “Allahu Akbar” (God is great).
A screening in Bolton was cancelled after 100 protesters turned up at the local Cineworld branch. The chair of the Bolton Council of Mosques had urged the cancellation of the screening, saying the film was “underpinned with a sectarian ideology and is blasphemous in nature to the Muslim community”.
A spokesperson from Cineworld said: “Due to recent incidents related to screenings of The Lady of Heaven, we have made the decision to cancel upcoming screenings of the film nationwide to ensure the safety of our staff and customers.” The Guardian.
And to think there are still some that firmly believe 'cancel culture' doesn't exist Bradford should be renamed 'The City of Cancel Culture 2025'
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 7, 2022 16:47:51 GMT 1
Does anyone know exactly what has so offended these people? Memories of "The Life of Brian"...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 19:19:25 GMT 1
Does anyone know exactly what has so offended these people? Memories of "The Life of Brian"... I think it’s because some people take their faith/religion seriously. Clearly in “modern” britain calling yourself christian is mostly just about census answers or painting a red and white flag on your face on st georges day, but some people really do treat their beliefs seriously. I don’t think it should have been cancelled. I respect the right of Muslims to protest. Cineworld maybe should have shown it and any protesters who broke the law should have been held accountable.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 7, 2022 19:53:20 GMT 1
Cancel culture indeed
They have the right to protest. People have the right to watch the film. Yet they don’t anymore… it’s been snatched away by a tiny minority protesting. Worrying and dangerous times…
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 21:07:50 GMT 1
I suspect it will go the same way as the Birmingham & Batley school protests, reported in the media, a bit of a outcry from some people but no one in a position of power/authority willing to condemn the protests. The protestors get their way which will allow similar angry mobs to feel comfortable in making threats to get their way in the future.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 8, 2022 8:24:29 GMT 1
Does anyone know exactly what has so offended these people? Memories of "The Life of Brian"... I think it’s because some people take their faith/religion seriously. Clearly in “modern” britain calling yourself christian is mostly just about census answers or painting a red and white flag on your face on st georges day, but some people really do treat their beliefs seriously. I don’t think it should have been cancelled. I respect the right of Muslims to protest. Cineworld maybe should have shown it and any protesters who broke the law should have been held accountable. I think there's a world of difference between taking one's beliefs seriously, and setting out to prevent and obstruct other law-abiding citizens from going about their business or pleasure; as I have said before, I have little time for ANY religion, but that doesn't give me the right to enforce my (non-)beliefs on anyone else. I entirely endorse your closing sentence but doubt that such an approach would have satisfied some elements. I would still like to know EXACTLY what it is that has caused such offence in some quarters....are we to assume that ANY criticism, ANY suggestion that their prophet was not without fault is beyond discussion....? Genuinely, I would like to know..
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Post by shrewder on Jun 8, 2022 8:59:41 GMT 1
I personally have years had no time for religion. I am a total non believer. My background is that in 1949 the church was heavily involved in forcing my birth mother to give me up for adoption. I also had a very bad relationship with my adoptive mother. Enough said.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 8, 2022 9:57:22 GMT 1
If religion (or people's warped view of religion) didn't exist the world would be a far more peaceful place.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 8, 2022 10:43:49 GMT 1
The main problem with religion in its many iterations is that each major one - certainly Christian and Muslim - each claim that THEIR "God" is the one and only "true" God; on the not unreasonable assumption that they can't be both right, that seems to me to be the very definition of an irreconcilable difference! Personally, I think that we already have sufficient differences to resolve, without considering those which we simply cannot sort out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 11:17:53 GMT 1
The main problem with religion in its many iterations is that each major one - certainly Christian and Muslim - each claim that THEIR "God" is the one and only "true" God; on the not unreasonable assumption that they can't be both right, that seems to me to be the very definition of an irreconcilable difference! Personally, I think that we already have sufficient differences to resolve, without considering those which we simply cannot sort out. They are both right. Muslims and Christians both worship the same God. Jesus/Mohammed are the main points of disagreement. But yes, the whole point of faith has been lost and turned into something very unchrist like.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 8, 2022 12:32:01 GMT 1
The main problem with religion in its many iterations is that each major one - certainly Christian and Muslim - each claim that THEIR "God" is the one and only "true" God; on the not unreasonable assumption that they can't be both right, that seems to me to be the very definition of an irreconcilable difference! Personally, I think that we already have sufficient differences to resolve, without considering those which we simply cannot sort out. They are both right. Muslims and Christians both worship the same God. Jesus/Mohammed are the main points of disagreement. But yes, the whole point of faith has been lost and turned into something very unchrist like. I don't want to get into any sort of argument on this, but you will have to explain how they can BOTH be "right": as I understand the Christian faith, Jesus is believed to be GOD as part of a triumvirate, and Muslims believe that Mohammed is the ONE; the beliefs seem to be mutually exclusive. Dealing with belief systems is a mystery!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 12:56:21 GMT 1
They are both right. Muslims and Christians both worship the same God. Jesus/Mohammed are the main points of disagreement. But yes, the whole point of faith has been lost and turned into something very unchrist like. I don't want to get into any sort of argument on this, but you will have to explain how they can BOTH be "right": as I understand the Christian faith, Jesus is believed to be GOD as part of a triumvirate, and Muslims believe that Mohammed is the ONE; the beliefs seem to be mutually exclusive. Dealing with belief systems is a mystery! Well you’ve answered your own question really. Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of god, they believe he was a holy prophet, and that the final revelation was given to Mohammed. The triumvirate you refer to, the holy trinity (I assume) sees God the father, son and Holy Spirit as one yet each separate and distinct. So yes Muslims and Christians do worship the same God, and indeed share common root in the prophet Abraham and his sons. Great is the mystery of faith!
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Post by block12massive on Jun 8, 2022 12:59:41 GMT 1
I suspect it will go the same way as the Birmingham & Batley school protests, reported in the media, a bit of a outcry from some people but no one in a position of power/authority willing to condemn the protests. The protestors get their way which will allow similar angry mobs to feel comfortable in making threats to get their way in the future. I wonder what happened to that school teacher in the end. I've not seen or heard one word from the recently elected MP on the matter. Another Labour authority kowtowing to religious extremists.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 13:21:50 GMT 1
I suspect it will go the same way as the Birmingham & Batley school protests, reported in the media, a bit of a outcry from some people but no one in a position of power/authority willing to condemn the protests. The protestors get their way which will allow similar angry mobs to feel comfortable in making threats to get their way in the future. I wonder what happened to that school teacher in the end. www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/teacher-still-hiding-year-after-23496807
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 8, 2022 14:23:26 GMT 1
I don't want to get into any sort of argument on this, but you will have to explain how they can BOTH be "right": as I understand the Christian faith, Jesus is believed to be GOD as part of a triumvirate, and Muslims believe that Mohammed is the ONE; the beliefs seem to be mutually exclusive. Dealing with belief systems is a mystery! Well you’ve answered your own question really. Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of god, they believe he was a holy prophet, and that the final revelation was given to Mohammed. The triumvirate you refer to, the holy trinity (I assume) sees God the father, son and Holy Spirit as one yet each separate and distinct. So yes Muslims and Christians do worship the same God, and indeed share common root in the prophet Abraham and his sons. Great is the mystery of faith! Thanks for that! I confess that it (faith) remains a mystery to me, and this may explain why it has so much attraction to we mere humans, but all I can say is thank God (lol) I have no religious leanings of which I am aware....
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Post by shrewder on Jun 12, 2022 7:24:59 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 7:42:18 GMT 1
Need a subscription to read this Strange as I can see it but don't have a subscription. Anyway, here is the story An imam who endorsed a campaign for cinemas to cancel a "blasphemous" film about the Prophet Mohammed's daughter has been dismissed as the Government's anti-Islamophobia adviser. Qari Asim was told on Saturday evening that he had been dismissed from his official roles as independent adviser on Islamophobia and deputy chairman of the Anti-Muslim Hatred Working Group. The move came after Mr Asim, the head imam at the Makkah mosque in Leeds, backed those protesting against The Lady of Heaven film and asked cinemas to drop the £12 million production, which has become the centre of a free speech row in the UK. Amid widespread protests, Mr Asim issued a statement branding The Lady of Heaven a " disparaging movie" that has "caused much pain and hurt to Muslims". 'No option but to withdraw the appointment' In a letter to Mr Asim published on the Government website on Saturday, the Department of Levelling Up said: "We have no option but to withdraw the appointment and end your roles with Government with immediate effect. Mr Asim's statement clashed with the views of Dame Sara Khan, the Government’s independent adviser on social cohesion and resilience, who criticised the failure of the authorities to stand up to protests which led to Cineworld pulling UK screenings of the film "to ensure the safety of our staff and customers". Mr Asim, who often represents the Muslim community alongside other faith leaders such as the Archbishop of Canterbury and Chief Rabbi, said: "We have been working with many brothers and imams across the country to liaise with the cinemas. "As a community, in some places we have been successful and those cinemas will no longer be showing the movie, in other places negotiations are still ongoing. "Some imams have taken a view to protest and others are in dialogue with the cinemas trying to resolve the situation. Different approaches, rooted in our universal values, are necessary, as always In January, Mr Asim, who was appointed as Islamophobia adviser a day before Boris Johnson entered Downing Street in 2019, said that he had been ignored by No 10 and Michael Gove, the Levelling Up Secretary, since taking up the role. The film’s release on June 3 sparked days of demonstrations at cinemas in Bradford, Bolton, Birmingham, Sheffield, London and Leeds, as protestors branded the film "offensive" and sectarian in its depiction of Islam’s history and early leaders. Malik Shlibak, executive producer of The Lady of Heaven, blamed a radical group "trying to cause sectarian division" for the protests and cinemas were "crumbling to the pressure". Separately, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, said he was "very concerned about the growing cancel culture" in the UK. "There's people out there who think they have a right not to be offended and of course, no one has that right," he said. Mr Asim was contacted for comment.
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Post by southshropblue on Jun 12, 2022 7:55:17 GMT 1
If religion (or people's warped view of religion) didn't exist the world would be a far more peaceful place. if only this were true but sadly the biggest mass murderes in history of the 20th century Mao and Stalin were both avowed atheists and even Hitler once he had abandoned Catholicism had no religious belief so as attractive as the thought is It really is not true
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