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Post by salop27 on May 24, 2022 22:53:52 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 6:27:45 GMT 1
Utterly soul destroying. Can’t imagine the pain of those affected. God rest their poor souls.
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Post by ssshrew on May 25, 2022 7:32:00 GMT 1
The news this morning says 19 children. It’s just too awful for words
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 25, 2022 8:13:11 GMT 1
I find it more difficult to know how to feel. Their societies relationship with guns is something I just don't understand. How many school shootings have we had since Dunblane?
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Post by davycrockett on May 25, 2022 8:23:54 GMT 1
I find it more difficult to know how to feel. Their societies relationship with guns is something I just don't understand. How many school shootings have we had since Dunblane? Sounds like Jo Biden agrees with you, some strong talk but is he strong enough to take on the gun lobby? Another awful shooting with tragic consequences, the 8th this year time for change surely? |
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Post by Mortgagehound on May 25, 2022 8:37:45 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on May 25, 2022 8:50:42 GMT 1
The GOP will never agree to any form of gun control, no matter how common sense the idea is. Any senator that voted in favour of any controls would be primaried out of office at the next opportunity. The gun lobby is third only to oil and pharmaceuticals in power and money.
The republicans in the senate can block almost all legislation due the filibuster rules that for some reason certain democrats refuse to reform. There are so many sensible laws just sitting there waiting to be passed, that would benefit huge swathes of the country, but they can't get through the senate.
Ted Cruz is vehemently opposed to any form of gun control and would rather arm teachers or have armed security staff in schools. He reckons the best solution is to guns in schools is to put guns in schools. F###in' genius.
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Post by cuzzman on May 25, 2022 9:04:34 GMT 1
Yet another absolutely senseless and incredibly sad incident. Only in the good old U.S of A do schools regularly practice drills for kids to react to a gunman breaking in to the classroom. What the hell kind of society is that  . Sadly this kind of incident won't change anything as the right to bear arms is ingrained in the American psyche and the gun lobby has a stranglehold that president Bidens well meaning words will have no effect on. 19 people are now dead and 19 families lives are ruined because an 18 year old kid has access to multiple weapons that are more suited to the battlefield than a shop where they can be easily purchased. In lots of states you can buy guns before you can buy alcohol or cigarettes. I give it a fortnight before we have another incident just like this and everyone says how sad it is. My condolences go out to all the kids families and everyone else involved in this hideous atrocity.Rest in peace all. |
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Post by shrewder on May 25, 2022 9:38:34 GMT 1
It is difficult to convey in words the feelings this tragic event brings to mind.
As an outsider the impression of the US is a society that seems to have the attitude of the Wild West still ingrained in the mentality of a huge proportion of its population. Sadly as has already been said, this will change nothing. They will just move on till the next tragedy occurs and the same arguments will be raised yet again.
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Post by ssshrew on May 25, 2022 9:39:44 GMT 1
The only hope I have is far into the future when the children who have survived and/or witnessed something like this are old enough to be rulers and possibly make changes. I won’t live to see it but, as I say, I live in hope.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 11:18:28 GMT 1
Owning a gun is more important than a child's life?
It is unimaginable to think what the families and friends are going through at this awful time.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all those impacted by this senseless tragedy.
Something must change, and soon.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on May 25, 2022 11:50:17 GMT 1
The right to bear arms laws in the US originate from the time of independence I believe. You think they would have made a major update years ago.
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Post by venceremos on May 25, 2022 11:54:03 GMT 1
Until the US sees what is obvious to everyone else and makes the changes it needs to make, this will just go on and on.
There really are no words that can comfort those losing their loved ones so needlessly, or that can make the boneheads drop their selfish addiction and do what needs to be done.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on May 25, 2022 12:45:51 GMT 1
It's hard to get ones head around catastrophic events like this.
Parents take their young, happy, smiling children to school in the morning and look
forward to having them home in the evening. And now they will never have the joy of
them again. If this had happened to my girls or my son I would have been beyond devastated.
And even saying that is a gross understatement. Utter pain beyond belief for the families.
If this doesn't make the USA change it's gun laws nothing will.
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Post by Dancin on May 25, 2022 13:00:26 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on May 25, 2022 13:01:05 GMT 1
The only hope I have is far into the future when the children who have survived and/or witnessed something like this are old enough to be rulers and possibly make changes. I won’t live to see it but, as I say, I live in hope. Certainly needs a change because at the moment the USA general population seem prepared to accept these horrendous attacks by maintaining the 2nd amendment….. |
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Post by Dancin on May 25, 2022 13:04:42 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 25, 2022 13:15:31 GMT 1
The GOP will never agree to any form of gun control, no matter how common sense the idea is. Any senator that voted in favour of any controls would be primaried out of office at the next opportunity. The gun lobby is third only to oil and pharmaceuticals in power and money. The republicans in the senate can block almost all legislation due the filibuster rules that for some reason certain democrats refuse to reform. There are so many sensible laws just sitting there waiting to be passed, that would benefit huge swathes of the country, but they can't get through the senate. Ted Cruz is vehemently opposed to any form of gun control and would rather arm teachers or have armed security staff in schools. He reckons the best solution is to guns in schools is to put guns in schools. F###in' genius. it is uterrly soul destroying that so many young lives were robbed of there dreams and future's, my condolences to all hte familys affected, bearing in mind when the bill of rights was written it was just after the war of independence and the newly formes US wanted to protect itself, i cant imagine htat hte founded farthers ever imagined the modern reality. you have listed so many reasons why this would be very difficult and then you have the bill of rights; constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." |
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Post by venceremos on May 25, 2022 13:18:31 GMT 1
Memorial Day seems an appropriate date. It should be a memorial to all the children killed by guns in the US - like the 7,000 pairs of children's shoes left outside the Capitol a few years ago, representing the 7,000 children killed by guns since the Sandy Hook massacre about five years earlier. Horrible thought, but perhaps it needs a mass shooting at an NRA gathering to make the knuckleheads realise the cruel futility of their selfish "freedom". You can bet there'll be several more before the year's out. |
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Post by neilsalop on May 25, 2022 13:26:24 GMT 1
The GOP will never agree to any form of gun control, no matter how common sense the idea is. Any senator that voted in favour of any controls would be primaried out of office at the next opportunity. The gun lobby is third only to oil and pharmaceuticals in power and money. The republicans in the senate can block almost all legislation due the filibuster rules that for some reason certain democrats refuse to reform. There are so many sensible laws just sitting there waiting to be passed, that would benefit huge swathes of the country, but they can't get through the senate. Ted Cruz is vehemently opposed to any form of gun control and would rather arm teachers or have armed security staff in schools. He reckons the best solution is to guns in schools is to put guns in schools. F###in' genius. it is uterrly soul destroying that so many young lives were robbed of there dreams and future's, my condolences to all hte familys affected, bearing in mind when the bill of rights was written it was just after the war of independence and the newly formes US wanted to protect itself, i cant imagine htat hte founded farthers ever imagined the modern reality. you have listed so many reasons why this would be very difficult and then you have the bill of rights; constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." A well regulated militia doesn't massacre children. The clue is in the name. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 25, 2022 13:31:30 GMT 1
it is uterrly soul destroying that so many young lives were robbed of there dreams and future's, my condolences to all hte familys affected, bearing in mind when the bill of rights was written it was just after the war of independence and the newly formes US wanted to protect itself, i cant imagine htat hte founded farthers ever imagined the modern reality. you have listed so many reasons why this would be very difficult and then you have the bill of rights; constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." A well regulated militia doesn't massacre children. The clue is in the name. i agree and there is no way i am defending the right to bear arms merley pointing out the major change in the constitution that would be needed plus all the vested intrests that you highlighted. i cant see Biden been able to over turn it but i hope he will try. |
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Post by cuzzman on May 25, 2022 13:42:22 GMT 1
Even though this isn't a thread for any kind of comedy there are 2 comedians on YouTube with spot on views on the gun laws in the states. One is Rich Hall and the other is an Australian comic called Jim Jeffries. Check out their thoughts or even better if someone far more tech savvy than me could upload them on here I would be very grateful.
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Post by block12massive on May 25, 2022 13:46:30 GMT 1
Americans won't listen because the same people telling them to give up their arms are the same people that told them to be vaccinated or surrender their freedoms.
Paranoia breeds paranoia I'm afraid.
The second amendment should not extend to semi automatic/automatic pistols.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 25, 2022 14:28:30 GMT 1
from the mail
"Where in God’s name is our backbone?’: Biden tears into gun makers and vows to ’stand up to the gun lobby' in the wake of Texas elementary school shooting and mourns children dying ‘as if they’re in a battlefield"The president addressed the US late Tuesday after returning to White House
'I had hoped, when I became president, I would not have to do this. Again. Another massacre,' a visibly emotional Biden began
A solemn and silent First Lady Dr. Jill Biden appeared by his side in a black dress
It's the worst school shooting of Biden's White House tenure so far
Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, has 600 students enrolled
Biden ordered all flags at the White House and on federal grounds to fly at half-staff until sundown on May 28 in honor of the victims"
from the mail
'I am begging you on my hands and knees, do something!' Sandy Hook congressman Chris Murphy begs Senate for gun reform"
from the Mail
Matthew McConaughey calls for action;The Hollywood star has been a vigilante on gun violence calling it 'an epidemic in our country'
His stance on the second amendment, McConaughey has said he 'understands that Americans have the right to own guns
But he previously added that it's time to 'forget that right' because some people misuse guns.'
"The Hollywood actor and Texas native Matthew McConaughey have been flooded with messages on social media with appeals for him to travel to his hometown of Uvalde in the wake of Tuesday's school massacre that left 14 innocent elementary school children dead. McConaughey has been a vigilante on gun violence calling it 'an epidemic in our country.' He has been vocal about his stance on the second amendment telling Americans its time to scrap it saying that he 'understands that Americans have the right to own guns, but it's time to 'forget that right' because some people misuse guns.' In a 2018 March for Our Lives event in Texas, McConaughy gave an impassioned speech about his support for some gun control, he also shared his fears that the youth-led movement will be "hijacked" by those hoping to eliminate all guns in the United States."
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Post by Pilch on May 25, 2022 16:02:58 GMT 1
maybe we should just liken yesterdays events as normal
120 gun deaths in USA each day on average
don't take this serious but you get the point
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Post by venceremos on May 25, 2022 17:02:27 GMT 1
The checks and balances of the US constitution are both a strength and weakness in its democracy.
The power of the executive branch (President & his administration) is restricted by the legislature (Congress) and the judiciary (Supreme Court). The upper branch of Congress (the Senate) isn't controlled by the Democrats, so it's extremely difficult for Biden to push his legislation through, especially when that legislation is as much of a hot potato as gun control would be.
What makes the position even more problematic is that the individual states retain significant power over their own affairs. Gun control is a prime example, with laws varying from state to state. Trying to impose a federal law to control guns in the face of opposition from many states, the lobbying power of the NRA and in the entrenched, divisive & hostile atmosphere of the US in 2022 could be more or less impossible.
He has to try though. Better to try and fail than do nothing.
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 25, 2022 19:42:00 GMT 1
Shocking Stat :
There are 60 million more guns in the US than people !!
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 25, 2022 20:31:57 GMT 1
Unbelievably, many seem to think the solution is to arm teachers! It’s so stupid on so many levels, but just for starters, how do you know a teacher won’t turn out to be the gunman?
Presumably, the 18 year old gunman, like the similar-aged one recently (was it in New York?) didn’t have a criminal record, so checks don’t necessarily provide any protection.
Death from guns is now the biggest killer of children in the USA, more than road traffic accidents, or any medical causes.
I often wonder, hypothetically, if you could start with a blank piece of paper and were writing the Constitution from scratch today, whether even the NRA would want to include the right to bear arms?
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Post by staffordshrew on May 25, 2022 21:07:18 GMT 1
This was an 18 year old with a military grade weapon he was able to purchase with no background checks.
Some states don't allow people to purchase alcohol until they are 21.
These right to bear arms people have to realise that's crazy. At leaast change to handguns only, having to be 21 and background checks.
"Officials said they recovered the two AR-15 style rifles from the scene at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. The gunman, who had attended Uvalde High School, purchased one of the rifles from a federally licensed gun store on May 17, the day after his 18th birthday"
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 25, 2022 21:20:37 GMT 1
Surreal reading about this.
Columbine was one of the defining "current affairs" events of my youth. Sure those of us in our late 30s all remember Michael Moore buying guns in the supermarket and the kid showing how easily he could hide 7 or 8 weapons about his person.
That really felt like a watershed moment, as did 9/11. Surely something would change after that.
And yet a decade or do on we had Sandy Hook. Parklands and now Uvalde and literally hundreds of other incidents in between. Vegas, for ****'s sake. And now this; this generation's Columbine more than 20 years on. Kids being trained in schools to lie still and play dead if an "active shooter" opens fire on them. Imagine being told that was part of your kid's school routine in Shropshire. It's inconceivable.
What is it going to take to get a minority of Americans to realise the fairly simple reality that a proportion of people are going to misuse guns and the only real way to reduce the impact of that is by restricting access to them?
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. Sadly this kind of incident won't change anything as the right to bear arms is ingrained in the American psyche and the gun lobby has a stranglehold that president Bidens well meaning words will have no effect on. 19 people are now dead and 19 families lives are ruined because an 18 year old kid has access to multiple weapons that are more suited to the battlefield than a shop where they can be easily purchased. In lots of states you can buy guns before you can buy alcohol or cigarettes. I give it a fortnight before we have another incident just like this and everyone says how sad it is. My condolences go out to all the kids families and everyone else involved in this hideous atrocity.Rest in peace all.
