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Post by blamber on Jan 10, 2022 14:20:48 GMT 1
I hope the Star article leads to the brainless morons to be identified. And once they are, ban them for life. No ifs or buts just ban them. That scum are a scourge on society let alone our club.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 10, 2022 14:54:13 GMT 1
Yes I think ‘champions of Shropshire’ is surely just a chant saying well there’s one award you can’t possibly get over on us. I thought it was quite funny, sadly there are people who will go out of their way to be upset by stuff like this.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jan 10, 2022 14:55:13 GMT 1
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 10, 2022 15:06:30 GMT 1
All over Sky Sports too Along with those racist t**ts a few months ago, we're being dragged through the mud recently for all to see, thanks to a few knuckle draggers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 15:30:45 GMT 1
The last 24 hours have just shown the power of social media. Yesterday and this morning there was lots of what a scummy club, hope you get liquidated from Liverpool fans (plus plenty of others), the club put up an article and now it's what a strong statement, what a good club we are, we've put Premier League clubs to shame with your response etc.
I suspect there will still be plenty of criticism of us (rightly so), but the way the club has handled this will certainly help matters, similarly Burgoyne coming out and criticising it and our fanbase universally condemning these 'fans' out when you often get football fans trying to defend the indefensible (such is the nature of tribalism in football).
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2022 15:33:26 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? It's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccup? Me, I'm, undecided if it has done any good - if those responsible are identified it might have. Also seems to have got some respect for the club, if not the "supporters". But, as has been said above, 400 to Carlise is supporters, knuckle draggers joining in for a opportunity to cause trouble only when it's a big match are not real supporters.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 10, 2022 15:39:52 GMT 1
If we’re the talk of the media for a day or two then so be it, better than brushing it under the carpet.
Hopefully the media will follow up and report a number of banning orders in the not too distant future.
We have a great and diverse fanbase overall but I’m sick of this element of it.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 10, 2022 15:40:14 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? Iy's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccu? <e, I', undecided if it has dne any good - if thos responsible are identified it might have. I'm not sure what else the club could do really, given the social media lynch mob was in full effect already. It does rankle slightly. No club colours on display in that video, not in the ground and no positive id on any of them beyond some rumours repeated here (nor are we likely to be able to identify anyone from that footage). I certainly would have backed the club if they'd have pointed the above and the good behaviour of our fans in the ground out and left it at that. As for pouring fuel on the fire, in a wider sense it almost certainly has done. There will be much more vociferous away followings going up there soon who will inevitably want to one up this now. On the plus side it might take some of the heat off us, on the down side we'll see videos like this become more common place now. Not sure what's gained by sharing this stuff on social media to be honest and I'd encourage anyone videoing this kind of thing in future to share it with police and maybe the club in question but leave it at that as all twitter notoriety will do is lead to copycat behaviour.
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Post by armchairfan on Jan 10, 2022 15:44:47 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? It's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccup? Me, I'm, undecided if it has done any good - if those responsible are identified it might have. You may have a point here - "social media" is very much a double-edged sword and needs to be handled carefully.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2022 15:57:37 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? Iy's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccu? <e, I', undecided if it has dne any good - if thos responsible are identified it might have. I'm not sure what else the club could do really, given the social media lynch mob was in full effect already. It does rankle slightly. No club colours on display in that video, not in the ground and no positive id on any of them beyond some rumours repeated here (nor are we likely to be able to identify anyone from that footage). I certainly would have backed the club if they'd have pointed the above and the good behaviour of our fans in the ground out and left it at that. As for pouring fuel on the fire, in a wider sense it almost certainly has done. There will be much more vociferous away followings going up there soon who will inevitably want to one up this now. On the plus side it might take some of the heat off us, on the down side we'll see videos like this become more common place now. Not sure what's gained by sharing this stuff on social media to be honest and I'd encourage anyone videoing this kind of thing in future to share it with police and maybe the club in question but leave it at that as all twitter notoriety will do is lead to copycat behaviour. I get the impression from the Liverpool fans' responses that this already is copycat behaviour - it happens to them all the time (can't help wondering whether all their fans have stopped the Munich jibes when they play Man United though). Kudos to the club for not brushing this under the carpet. This isn't the first time a tiny section of our fans have disgraced themselves and, by association, the club and the rest of us. Not so long ago we had a group of Cheltenham fans intent on stirring up trouble with endless tedious anti-Salop chants, and there was a bit of trouble after the match, to nobody's surprise. We have a tiny number of those dickheads amongst our supporters too. We can disown them but they're still there. Best to shine a light on them and cleanse the infection.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2022 16:00:26 GMT 1
Yes, club had to respond. No, players should avoid those concise tweets that don't disascociate the idiots from the real fans. As per Burgoyne: "wrote in a Twitter post linked to the video: "As for these Shrewsbury fans! Should be ashamed of yourselves. Liverpool showed nothing but respect today. Shocking absolutely shocking! Out them and ban them for life!"
His genuine thoughts, but players should leave the handling of incidents like this to the club.
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Post by vladimir on Jan 10, 2022 16:14:45 GMT 1
Yes, club had to respond. No, players should avoid those concise tweets that don't disascociate the idiots from the real fans. As per Burgoyne: "wrote in a Twitter post linked to the video: "As for these Shrewsbury fans! Should be ashamed of yourselves. Liverpool showed nothing but respect today. Shocking absolutely shocking! Out them and ban them for life!"
His genuine thoughts, but players should leave the handling of incidents like this to the club. Are you advocating Burgoyne shouldn't have said anything? Imo we need more players speaking out not less.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Jan 10, 2022 16:19:25 GMT 1
Quite unbelievable really, a man has put a video online. The video could of been taken at any point in the last 10 years, they could be man united fans, Arsenal, Leeds anyone.. or non football fans at all. And we’ve put a statement out and contacted the police based on a video on Twitter?! Either the club recognise the people in the video and know them to be town fans in which case, act and ban them and report they’ve been banned.. or they’ve trusted a anonymous twitter user
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2022 16:20:12 GMT 1
Yes, club had to respond. No, players should avoid those concise tweets that don't disascociate the idiots from the real fans. As per Burgoyne: "wrote in a Twitter post linked to the video: "As for these Shrewsbury fans! Should be ashamed of yourselves. Liverpool showed nothing but respect today. Shocking absolutely shocking! Out them and ban them for life!"
His genuine thoughts, but players should leave the handling of incidents like this to the club. Are you advocating Burgoyne shouldn't have said anything? Imo we need more players speaking out not less. Speaking out is great, to be encouraged - but with advice from the club so as to present a united response that's fair to the vast majority of genuine fans.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 10, 2022 16:20:40 GMT 1
Yes, club had to respond. No, players should avoid those concise tweets that don't disascociate the idiots from the real fans. As per Burgoyne: "wrote in a Twitter post linked to the video: "As for these Shrewsbury fans! Should be ashamed of yourselves. Liverpool showed nothing but respect today. Shocking absolutely shocking! Out them and ban them for life!"
His genuine thoughts, but players should leave the handling of incidents like this to the club. Are you advocating Burgoyne shouldn't have said anything? Imo we need more players speaking out not less. I don't think that's what he's saying, no. There is a misconception out there that this was a "section" of our fans inside the ground. I don't think most people have actually seen the video. Tweets like Harry's, whilst maybe well intentioned, don't help that.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 10, 2022 16:28:57 GMT 1
Are you advocating Burgoyne shouldn't have said anything? Imo we need more players speaking out not less. Speaking out is great, to be encouraged - but with advice from the club so as to present a united response that's fair to the vast majority of genuine fans.
Surely the supporters amongst us who aren’t pondlife and did nothing wrong yesterday don’t take offence at Burgoyne’s tweet as it’s clearly not directed at them? I know I certainly don’t, respect to him for tweeting it. What with the Gillingham fight he’s doing some great work off the pitch.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 10, 2022 16:40:34 GMT 1
Didn't go to Liverpool yesterday, in part because these bigger games do seem to attract a small element of followers who seem to view the day out as a chance to get drunk and insult people, which for me creates a bad atmosphere at grounds. I always recall what good old Chris Smith used to say on away trips that enjoy the game but remember you are representing Shrewsbury and don't do anything you wouldn't like to see fans doing at our ground. The bog standard day out at a smaller club where you can mill about town and share a drink with home fans for a decent chat is much more enjoyable As an aside, whilst these chants are disgusting and very bad to hear, and something I don't want to hear at matches I'm not too sure what grounds the club has to take much action. The video evidence is rather sketchy as to where and when the incident place, and who was involved. As the article below suggests some elements of football chants - such as those of a racial nature are easier to prove, than simply being offensive. I think unless someone makes a formal complaint to Liverpool police I'm not quite sure how any legal action can be taken. The club banning people is a little easier but again they probably need more evidence than a short video clip www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/chanting-football-fans/
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 10, 2022 16:47:09 GMT 1
The last 24 hours have just shown the power of social media. Yesterday and this morning there was lots of what a scummy club, hope you get liquidated from Liverpool fans (plus plenty of others) I would still like to think that the vast majority of football fans out there appreciate and understand that a handful of moronic prats (out of a following of over 5,000) should not and does not define who we are as a club and as a fan base...👍
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2022 16:52:56 GMT 1
Speaking out is great, to be encouraged - but with advice from the club so as to present a united response that's fair to the vast majority of genuine fans.
Surely the supporters amongst us who aren’t pondlife and did nothing wrong yesterday don’t take offence at Burgoyne’s tweet as it’s clearly not directed at them? I know I certainly don’t, respect to him for tweeting it. What with the Gillingham fight he’s doing some great work off the pitch. He's a clearly identifiable employee of STFC. He shouldn't be wading in with comments about an incident unless he knows he's following the STFC line. Perhaps this, and the altercation with Gillingham indicate he can be a little too "spur of the moment"?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2022 16:53:28 GMT 1
These lads needs naming and banning.
If they are local to Shrewsbury, which I assume they are, then they can come with me to meet people I know from Shrewsbury who lost family at Hillsborough.
I grew up on Wenlock Road, and there was a family on our street affected by it.
Throw the book at the morons. I can't think of anything worse to be associated with.
JFT97
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2022 16:56:34 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? It's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccup? Me, I'm, undecided if it has done any good - if those responsible are identified it might have. Also seems to have got some respect for the club, if not the "supporters". But, as has been said above, 400 to Carlise is supporters, knuckle draggers joining in for a opportunity to cause trouble only when it's a big match are not real supporters. No. The genie was out of the bottle. A short, sharp response was needed to kill it. Otherwise it's tone deaf.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2022 16:58:29 GMT 1
Quite unbelievable really, a man has put a video online. The video could of been taken at any point in the last 10 years, they could be man united fans, Arsenal, Leeds anyone.. or non football fans at all. And we’ve put a statement out and contacted the police based on a video on Twitter?! Either the club recognise the people in the video and know them to be town fans in which case, act and ban them and report they’ve been banned.. or they’ve trusted a anonymous twitter user Do you honestly believe that it's ten year old footage of Leeds fans? Really?
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Jan 10, 2022 17:01:52 GMT 1
Quite unbelievable really, a man has put a video online. The video could of been taken at any point in the last 10 years, they could be man united fans, Arsenal, Leeds anyone.. or non football fans at all. And we’ve put a statement out and contacted the police based on a video on Twitter?! Either the club recognise the people in the video and know them to be town fans in which case, act and ban them and report they’ve been banned.. or they’ve trusted a anonymous twitter user Do you honestly believe that it's ten year old footage of Leeds fans? Really? No, But if I put the video online on the same weekend as Leeds were playing at Liverpool and said I saw Leeds fans singing this, would you believe it?
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 10, 2022 17:02:30 GMT 1
Anyone think a club statement has added fuel to the fire? It's now been reported by the media, maybe it would have been best to leave it to a social media hiccup? Me, I'm, undecided if it has done any good - if those responsible are identified it might have. Also seems to have got some respect for the club, if not the "supporters". But, as has been said above, 400 to Carlise is supporters, knuckle draggers joining in for a opportunity to cause trouble only when it's a big match are not real supporters. No. The genie was out of the bottle. A short, sharp response was needed to kill it. Otherwise it's tone deaf. I note how grateful Liverpool fans online are for our clubs swift and strongly worded statement too. Right thing to do 100%
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 17:02:46 GMT 1
Surely the supporters amongst us who aren’t pondlife and did nothing wrong yesterday don’t take offence at Burgoyne’s tweet as it’s clearly not directed at them? I know I certainly don’t, respect to him for tweeting it. What with the Gillingham fight he’s doing some great work off the pitch. He's a clearly identifiable employee of STFC. He shouldn't be wading in with comments about an incident unless he knows he's following the STFC line. Perhaps this, and the altercation with Gillingham indicate he can be a little too "spur of the moment"? Personally I'd prefer him to be willing to be open, honest and say what he wants, as opposed to the bland, corporate, pre-scripted messages you get from plenty of players.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2022 17:03:02 GMT 1
Are they Shrewsbury fans?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 10, 2022 17:03:12 GMT 1
Quite unbelievable really, a man has put a video online. The video could of been taken at any point in the last 10 years, they could be man united fans, Arsenal, Leeds anyone.. or non football fans at all. And we’ve put a statement out and contacted the police based on a video on Twitter?! Either the club recognise the people in the video and know them to be town fans in which case, act and ban them and report they’ve been banned.. or they’ve trusted a anonymous twitter user Do you honestly believe that it's ten year old footage of Leeds fans? Really? I don't think anyone believes that but that footage doesn't give a lot of info. The only way of attaching it to shrewsbury is the guy putting the name in the tweet but the public nature of it now means the club has to be seen to do something despite the fact there isn't a great deal they can do.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2022 17:04:38 GMT 1
Do you honestly believe that it's ten year old footage of Leeds fans? Really? I don't think anyone believes that but that footage doesn't give a lot of info. The only way of attaching it to shrewsbury is the guy putting the name in the tweet but the public nature of it now means the club has to be seen to do something despite the fact there isn't a great deal they can do. Did you want him to go and see their driving licenses?
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Post by townfaninnantwich on Jan 10, 2022 17:13:24 GMT 1
The spread of this story and some of the reaction on both sides is the main reason I don’t use social media very often . The people on the video were out drunk idiots. I’m sure will be punished but I’m also sure most people Did something they are not proud of when they were young it’s just the world did not find out about it the next day. England Liverpool Chelsea Leeds man united Wrexham Millwall fans to name a few all have done things that now would have the country having a go at them. Next week it will be some one else getting slatted for something their fans players etc have done. Most normal people know that most normal fans What ever team they are from are just like them Nice people!
We have some of the best real fans in The uk Don’t ever forget that!
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 10, 2022 17:13:53 GMT 1
I don't think anyone believes that but that footage doesn't give a lot of info. The only way of attaching it to shrewsbury is the guy putting the name in the tweet but the public nature of it now means the club has to be seen to do something despite the fact there isn't a great deal they can do. Did you want him to go and see their driving licenses? That's a bit over the top. Realistically how are proposing to identify anyone from that video?
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