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Post by Dancin on Jul 22, 2021 10:26:57 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 22, 2021 10:51:54 GMT 1
Is there a possibility that the two bodies were put under a bit of pressure by their respective governments?
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Post by Dancin on Jul 22, 2021 11:06:43 GMT 1
Is there a possibility that the two bodies were put under a bit of pressure by their respective governments? I'd say that Tokyo was more unsafe than the UK at present.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 22, 2021 11:11:54 GMT 1
Is there a possibility that the two bodies were put under a bit of pressure by their respective governments? I'd say that Tokyo was more unsafe than the UK at present. Possibly so, which makes me wonder whether the RLWC may have been chosen as a lower-profile target; I don't really know....just putting it out there!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 22, 2021 11:31:38 GMT 1
This pandemic is far from over! The UK has vaccine advantage currently, but we must not squander it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 11:37:51 GMT 1
This pandemic is far from over! The UK has vaccine advantage currently, but we must not squander it. True and you will get a clash of views. We know the UK and Australia/NZ have very different views so it shouldn't come as any surprise we have issues like this and people who think international events can continue as normal are living in a dream world. I'm still amazed that the Olympics is taking place and the same went for the Euro's, however I guess there's too much money involved, cynical I know.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 22, 2021 11:44:30 GMT 1
It is though a sad reflection of how we are viewed from abroad. Rightly or wrongly and who knows, we are perceived as not having things as under control as we think we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 11:49:08 GMT 1
It didn't stop the New Zealand cricket team coming over here this year which only goes to show that Rugby League players are wusses
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2021 11:52:26 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 22, 2021 12:02:58 GMT 1
This pandemic is far from over! The UK has vaccine advantage currently, but we must not squander it. True and you will get a clash of views. We know the UK and Australia/NZ have very different views so it shouldn't come as any surprise we have issues like this and people who think international events can continue as normal are living in a dream world. I'm still amazed that the Olympics is taking place and the same went for the Euro's, however I guess there's too much money involved, cynical I know. I really do understand your viewpoint, but , as big a part money has to play in all of this - certainly a very large one admittedly - there are other factors, not the least of which is the need of ALL governments, democratically elected or not, to be seen to be doing the "right thing" ( whatever that may be) to remain in power, and maintain political stability in their own countries; as for international sporting events, you seem to imply that it would be the "right thing" to at least postpone all of them forthwith, not something to which I can agree....sporting events now, but what next? Where would it end?? There will always be divergence of opinion in these matters - it is, after all, a debate as to how humanity functions across the globe - and I do not envisage an end to this debate any time soon; in the meantime, one wonders whether individual countries may attempt to isolate themselves, like North Korea, but without the brutality and absence of freedom. Deep issues indeed....
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 22, 2021 12:08:34 GMT 1
It’s a particular shame for the Women’s game. I don’t understand why they the decision now rather to wait a couple of months to see if the situation gets a bit better, announce a date where the decision has to be made by and have a couple of teams on standby ready to step in.
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Post by champagneprince on Jul 22, 2021 12:14:03 GMT 1
Not sure what the issue is really
1. Don't let them into the UK unless vaccinated and pcr checked 2. Once here don't let them mix with the public (other than hotel staff who will also be vaccinated/pcr checked) 3. Check them throughout their stay 4. Check them before they go back home 5. Quarantine and test them when they are back home
These are fit, young people who should not fall too ill and will unlikely need hospital treatment in the UK or in their home countries.
Follow all that and surely once home the risk of the virus spreading from an infected player is very, very low, as is catching the virus once here.
I take it they won't be sending athletes to the olympics who will be mixing with us Brits out there in Tokyo? What happens if it's an Aussie vs a Brit in the Judo or Boxing?
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 22, 2021 12:49:45 GMT 1
This pandemic is far from over! The UK has vaccine advantage currently, but we must not squander it. True and you will get a clash of views. We know the UK and Australia/NZ have very different views so it shouldn't come as any surprise we have issues like this and people who think international events can continue as normal are living in a dream world. I'm still amazed that the Olympics is taking place and the same went for the Euro's, however I guess there's too much money involved, cynical I know. Look at the significant increase in daily infections since the start of the Euro’s …… fact is the UK have different views to the rest of the world …..
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Post by Dancin on Jul 22, 2021 13:11:37 GMT 1
Aussie RL Players Union not consulted on the decision; just reported on 5 Live.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:19:22 GMT 1
Yet the all blacks are touring the UK in the Autumn. So what's the difference?
Likewise the Lions are out in South Africa, a country currently in the grips of COVID.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:30:45 GMT 1
True and you will get a clash of views. We know the UK and Australia/NZ have very different views so it shouldn't come as any surprise we have issues like this and people who think international events can continue as normal are living in a dream world. I'm still amazed that the Olympics is taking place and the same went for the Euro's, however I guess there's too much money involved, cynical I know. I really do understand your viewpoint, but , as big a part money has to play in all of this - certainly a very large one admittedly - there are other factors, not the least of which is the need of ALL governments, democratically elected or not, to be seen to be doing the "right thing" ( whatever that may be) to remain in power, and maintain political stability in their own countries; as for international sporting events, you seem to imply that it would be the "right thing" to at least postpone all of them forthwith, not something to which I can agree....sporting events now, but what next? Where would it end?? There will always be divergence of opinion in these matters - it is, after all, a debate as to how humanity functions across the globe - and I do not envisage an end to this debate any time soon; in the meantime, one wonders whether individual countries may attempt to isolate themselves, like North Korea, but without the brutality and absence of freedom. Deep issues indeed.... I'm generally someone who is keen to to get back to normality and certainly not someone who thinks we should be shutting down, we need to live with it. I guess my issue/concern is the mixed messages and different approaches, we have seen that domestically in the past week (restrictions lifted......but keep sticking to the guidance......oh and we will bring some new rules in September) and then globally we see some major events taking place at the same time as the general public are being told not to travel. I know that the people attending the Olympics will be a fraction of normality but there will still be a significant number of people travelling across the world for this, at a time we are hearing the delta variant is soaring worldwide. To me it just feels we are in a bit of limbo, last year wasn't great but we knew where we stood as most things were cancelled, the hope was 2021 with the introduction of the vaccine and things getting back to normality. Today we are technically back to normal (in England anyway) but this is an example that we are a long way from normal, we keep hearing we need to learn to live with covid but I'm struggling to see that happening in practice
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Post by venceremos on Jul 27, 2021 18:18:22 GMT 1
Hugely disappointing but I don't know what to make of this.
The NRL in Australia has always put its domestic league before the international game and this could be another example of that. I've seen suggestions that the NRL is unhappy that players will only have time for 2 weeks of pre-season training with their clubs after the World Cup, although I'm not sure that can be right.
My immediate reaction was the tournament had to be postponed, because you can't run it without Australia and NZ. To put that into an equivalent footballing context, it would be like having a football World Cup that excluded every winning country since the Mexico 1970 tournament, as Australia (almost always) and NZ have been the only winners since GB last won in 1972. Rugby league just doesn't have enough strong countries playing the game.
However, there seem to be a lot of NRL players unhappy with the decision, especially as it was made without consultation. There's talk of some of their big names playing for indigenous teams or second tier countries in the competition. [Players can dual qualify for a first tier country, like Australia, NZ, England etc and also a second tier country, like Tonga, Italy, Lebanon etc.] A lot of Australian and NZ players are dual qualified, so the tournament could go ahead like that. It might actually lead to a really exciting competition, with some of the world's best players representing "minor" participants, such as James Tedesco playing for Italy or Josh Addo-Carr for an indigenous Aussie team.
Unless a postponement to a guaranteed 2022 competition was agreed by all parties, a reformatted 2021 tournament would be better than none at all. Rugby league simply can't afford (in every sense of the word) to lose this opportunity.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 27, 2021 18:21:36 GMT 1
It didn't stop the New Zealand cricket team coming over here this year which only goes to show that Rugby League players are wusses Five days late but that's a wrist slap for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 19:51:49 GMT 1
It didn't stop the New Zealand cricket team coming over here this year which only goes to show that Rugby League players are wusses Five days late but that's a wrist slap for you. They interviewed somebody from the Aussie Rugby League on Newsnight at the time and he admitted it was partly their fault because the vaccine take up even by the players was very low in Australia.
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