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Post by shrewder on Jul 21, 2021 13:35:51 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Jul 21, 2021 13:45:12 GMT 1
There has in recent years some quite ugly/inappropriate buildings gone up close to the "Three Graces" so the local council only has itself to blame.
As for Everton's new stadium that will greatly improve the area where that's being built. Apart from the Titanic Hotel down that way the area isn't appealing on the eye.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 21, 2021 13:52:02 GMT 1
It's a few years since I was in Liverpool but its waterfront was beautiful. The city has to regenerate, of course, but it's sad that it's come at such a cost. This loss of status has been on the cards for a few years but the city has given priority to redevelopment and perhaps that redevelopment could have been more in keeping with the old waterfront.
London has already lost much of its character to over-development - most of its skyline just looks like any other big city now.
I'm not a heritage fanatic and a city should always have room for new and preferably strikingly modern development, but there's a balance to be found when the existing structure is of such high quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 14:15:36 GMT 1
This is why any development in the Ironbridge area has to be done very carefully.
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Post by Dancin on Jul 21, 2021 14:17:08 GMT 1
This is why any development in the Ironbridge area has to be done very carefully. Hopefully the old Power Station redevelopment is far enough away not to affect it?
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 21, 2021 14:21:41 GMT 1
It's a few years since I was in Liverpool but its waterfront was beautiful. The city has to regenerate, of course, but it's sad that it's come at such a cost. This loss of status has been on the cards for a few years but the city has given priority to redevelopment and perhaps that redevelopment could have been more in keeping with the old waterfront. London has already lost much of its character to over-development - most of its skyline just looks like any other big city now. I'm not a heritage fanatic and a city should always have room for new and preferably strikingly modern development, but there's a balance to be found when the existing structure is of such high quality. I suspect that I am more of a fan than you of our industrial and architectural heritage, but generally agree with your seniments.
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Post by servernaside on Jul 21, 2021 23:21:40 GMT 1
If the stated reason is the new Everton stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, this is at least a mile away from the Pier Head and has no significant impact on the skyline around the 'Three Graces'.
The damage has surely been done by the erection of 'lego-like' buildings, closer to the Pier Head, particularly at the former Mann Island site. The Museum of Liverpool and the three other awful buildings which have been erected just yards away from the elegant Port of Liverpool Building are probably the real cause. The natural desire for re-development and the creation of jobs is no excuse for allowing sub-standard and misplaced architecture and the planning authorities in Liverpool should be ashamed of themselves.
Sadly, Liverpool is not the only city in this country where this kind of thing has happened.
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Post by leonidrogozov on Jul 22, 2021 8:50:59 GMT 1
The museum building is a sympathetic addition and sits well alongside the Graces. Loss of WH status may be a blow for the tourism marketing sector but, in reality, the port heritage is maintained in an integrated way with Albert Dock. Otherwise it is daft to leave such a large chunk of land sitting derelict for the sake of heritage. This is not to say that the development there is of any notable or interesting architectural merit, just that (as discussed above) cities change, industry changes, usage and demand changes. What is of more concern is the funding and greasing of hands behind the developments that have occurred. Mostly funded by Chinese money and under the stewardship of a former mayor under investigation for corruption. Let alone the influence of high level organised crime, which is an historically big problem in Liverpool due to its port's status as a gateway to Europe for drugs imports.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 22, 2021 10:14:06 GMT 1
Maybe they could join a heritage superleague
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Post by Dancin on Jul 22, 2021 10:41:04 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on Jul 22, 2021 11:52:14 GMT 1
It's a classic case of the damage commenced by the Luftwaffe in WW2 being completed by the planners and architects over the following seven decades.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 22, 2021 12:20:52 GMT 1
It's a classic case of the damage commenced by the Luftwaffe in WW2 being completed by the planners and architects over the following seven decades. You are probably right in that assessment, and closer to home, we all know the results of the damage wreaked on Birmingham by post-war faddish architecure; the thing that Birmingham and Liverpool have in common is a planning culture supported by a one-party dictatorship, which does not lend itself to either leadership, reasoned opposition, or compromise; this is true whatever colour the local power may be: I have no doubt that there are many "carbuncles", to quote Prince Charles, in all parts of the country. Today's whizz-bang fad very quickly becomes tomorrow's eyesore....the trouble with buildings is that they are generally built to last....
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Post by venceremos on Jul 28, 2021 15:16:37 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 28, 2021 16:04:00 GMT 1
Not all bad news then....as my mother was born and raised in Blaenau Ffestiniog, I can live with that...
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2021 16:11:27 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jul 28, 2021 16:54:49 GMT 1
I often drive past, Apparently you can see parts of Tryweryn village emerge from the water when the reservoir level is particularly low. Never seen it myself but I should think that's quite ghostly.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2021 18:08:34 GMT 1
I often drive past, Apparently you can see parts of Tryweryn village emerge from the water when the reservoir level is particularly low. Never seen it myself but I should think that's quite ghostly. I remember my parents pointing it out to me one year, I guess 76 when it was very hot, we used to pass it going to black rock sands, cant remember what bit was above the water level and didnt realise what it was all about until a few years ago
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 19:34:52 GMT 1
That's great news for Gwynedd and for my town of birth. The Talyllyn Railway, like the Ffestiniog were built to carry slate from the quarries to the local ports. I'm really pleased that all this heritage has been recognised.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 28, 2021 20:08:41 GMT 1
Zzx..and Pilch returns to his favourite subject.. having a go at Liverpool.. Just in case you don't know Birmingham's water comes from Elan Valley with Manchester choosing Thirlmere and the Goyt Valley.In all instances villages had to be abandoned to flood the valleys
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2021 20:43:32 GMT 1
Zzx..and Pilch returns to his favourite subject.. having a go at Liverpool.. Just in case you don't know Birmingham's water comes from Elan Valley with Manchester choosing Thirlmere and the Goyt Valley.In all instances villages had to be abandoned to flood the valleys What has this got to do with Liverpool football club ? The topic was Liverpool and wales Bizarre Now it’s about me and Manchester 😝
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Post by welshshrew on Jul 28, 2021 22:14:36 GMT 1
They just need to give us back our water now and that’s all the loose ends tied up.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 29, 2021 10:05:10 GMT 1
Zzx..and Pilch returns to his favourite subject.. having a go at Liverpool.. Just in case you don't know Birmingham's water comes from Elan Valley with Manchester choosing Thirlmere and the Goyt Valley.In all instances villages had to be abandoned to flood the valleys What has this got to do with Liverpool football club ? The topic was Liverpool and wales Bizarre Now it’s about me and Manchester 😝 Isn't that weird? I haven't mentioned LFC in my post and merely pointed out that all major cities built reservoirs in sparsly populated rural locations. Somehow you decided that my reply was all about you !!! Think you need a holiday or time away from this board as you are arguing with far too many people and are developing a complex
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 29, 2021 10:20:25 GMT 1
That's great news for Gwynedd and for my town of birth. The Talyllyn Railway, like the Ffestiniog were built to carry slate from the quarries to the local ports. I'm really pleased that all this heritage has been recognised. Was in Tywyn again this week visited Golgoch falls and station simply beautiful with the steam trains crossing the viaduct over the gorge.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 29, 2021 10:32:23 GMT 1
What has this got to do with Liverpool football club ? The topic was Liverpool and wales Bizarre Now it’s about me and Manchester 😝 Isn't that weird? I haven't mentioned LFC in my post and merely pointed out that all major cities built reservoirs in sparsly populated rural locations. Somehow you decided that my reply was all about you !!! Think you need a holiday or time away from this board as you are arguing with far too many people and are developing a complex Zzzzzzz pilch mention Liverpool ( on a thread about Liverpool , how strange ) Why not be even more boring and highlight it Ffs Some people seem to have a complex if I dare to mention the L word . 🤡
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 29, 2021 11:13:20 GMT 1
Isn't that weird? I haven't mentioned LFC in my post and merely pointed out that all major cities built reservoirs in sparsly populated rural locations. Somehow you decided that my reply was all about you !!! Think you need a holiday or time away from this board as you are arguing with far too many people and are developing a complex Zzzzzzz pilch mention Liverpool ( on a thread about Liverpool , how strange ) Why not be even more boring and highlight it Ffs Some people seem to have a complex if I dare to mention the L word . 🤡 The person who brought LFC onto the thread was you.Stop trying to swing it so that you're the innocent party. You've obviously got nothing of relevance nor merit to add to the thread as you know nothing of the City of Liverpool nor its architecture. Go and play somewhere else
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Post by Pilch on Jul 29, 2021 11:30:06 GMT 1
You can’t make this up 🤣
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 29, 2021 11:42:48 GMT 1
You said it big boy Now back on thread.Have to agree with the sentiments regarding the modern day buildings around the three graces, especially the arena. However the alternative was to leave the area as derelict dockland. Unfortunately no one has the finance,wherewithal or requirement to build a forth "grace"
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Post by Pilch on Jul 29, 2021 11:44:11 GMT 1
Big boy ?
Wow
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 12:34:46 GMT 1
That's great news for Gwynedd and for my town of birth. The Talyllyn Railway, like the Ffestiniog were built to carry slate from the quarries to the local ports. I'm really pleased that all this heritage has been recognised. Was in Tywyn again this week visited Golgoch falls and station simply beautiful with the steam trains crossing the viaduct over the gorge. It's a lovely spot, so relaxing to sit out on the platform listening to the birds and the sound of the stream 😀
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Post by venceremos on Jul 29, 2021 14:11:51 GMT 1
You said it big boy Now back on thread.Have to agree with the sentiments regarding the modern day buildings around the three graces, especially the arena. However the alternative was to leave the area as derelict dockland. Unfortunately no one has the finance,wherewithal or requirement to build a forth "grace" It would be informative to know how the planning applications were processed and approved. It would be particularly interesting to know whether former Mayor Joe Anderson, since arrested on charges of bribery, conspiracy and witness intimidation, had any involvement, formally or otherwise. Anderson, an Everton fan, was also on the board of Liverpool Vision, which was involved in a lot of the waterfront development until it was taken over by Liverpool City Council in 2018.
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