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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 1, 2021 23:57:12 GMT 1
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jun 2, 2021 8:05:08 GMT 1
Everyone has been focused on the Super League proposals which has allowed these clowns to create their own madness. Take the 'no relegation ' out of the equasion and the Super league looks more plausible! Still waiting for the punishment to be dished out to this lot.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 2, 2021 8:45:19 GMT 1
Damn cheek! But proof if proof were needed that lower league clubs and grass roots football mean nothing to these bl........dy people. Greed is the right word indeed. They don’t give a toss about us but they probably care more about us than I do about them to be honest.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 2, 2021 13:36:02 GMT 1
The solution is simple - teams in the Champions league do not enter the League Cup. At least a team other than Man City will have a chance of winning it!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 2, 2021 14:35:16 GMT 1
The Champions League is going to be restructured, no question, and it needs to be. If they only made the early rounds a knock out competition and had a league system later on, with top four play off or something, that'd be a damn sight more interesting. The current structure is dull - an all too predictable group stage that rarely produces a single memorable match.
Anyway, the League Cup is definitely a competition too many for teams playing European football. Take those 7 teams out of it, scr@p the EFL Trophy and go with a revitalised League Cup competition that far more teams have a chance of winning.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 2, 2021 15:01:00 GMT 1
I’ve always been a fan of the League Cup, but given how s**te we’ve been in it for the last several years it already feels like it has been axed...
Nothing better than some warm autumnal evenings going to places like the King Power or the Emirates, even if we’re playing a B Team in front of a low attendance.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 2, 2021 16:32:11 GMT 1
It’s always meant something to me because of us beating Everton in the first ever League Cup competition.
One of my best Town memories.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jun 2, 2021 21:47:02 GMT 1
Other than half watching the final it's been years since I last watched a champions league match, I just have zero interest. But, like it or not, the EFL Cup is doomed, we'll get a few quid in compensation for a few years, but nowhere like the amount we'd get if we ever had a decent run, and no chance to play the big boys, but we can moan all we like, but we all know no one gives a flying **** what Shrewsbury Town or its fans think about this.
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Post by Dale on Jun 2, 2021 22:21:35 GMT 1
I do feel the League Cup is now on borrowed time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 22:24:21 GMT 1
There was a time when I used to regularly tune into BBC1 on a Wednesday evening for Sportsnight. The best nights were when they had highlights of the League Cup matches from earlier in the evening. There was something about these matches under the lights, there used to be some real cracking games with great atmospheres.
The good old days!
Sadly the League Cup looks like it's on borrowed time, we've already seen the FA cup devalued as well.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2021 11:34:26 GMT 1
I think the League Cup will survive. The people wanting an end to it are those involved in Europe. It makes sense for them not to participate but that's no reason for the remaining 85 clubs to abandon the competition.
There are relatively few midweek Premier League games, so the PL clubs not involved in Europe won't want to lose the autumnal midweek League Cup games. There's also the broadcasting rights; that's revenue the sport won't want to give up.
The FA won't want to lose a Wembley final either. If sponsors and Wembley are available for the EFL Trophy, I don't think there'd be a problem finding similar for the League Cup.
The top few clubs need fewer matches, the rest don't.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 3, 2021 12:54:52 GMT 1
I think the League Cup will survive. The people wanting an end to it are those involved in Europe. It makes sense for them not to participate but that's no reason for the remaining 85 clubs to abandon the competition. There are relatively few midweek Premier League games, so the PL clubs not involved in Europe won't want to lose the autumnal midweek League Cup games. There's also the broadcasting rights; that's revenue the sport won't want to give up. The FA won't want to lose a Wembley final either. If sponsors and Wembley are available for the EFL Trophy, I don't think there'd be a problem finding similar for the League Cup. The top few clubs need fewer matches, the rest don't. Totally agree with you. The top few clubs might even still want to enter but play their academy teams though that might be controversial in itself ( though Wenger used to do close to that with Arsenal).
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 3, 2021 13:06:55 GMT 1
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jun 3, 2021 15:18:09 GMT 1
Not sure about all this really. Rowland saying charge us all more so we can get more money out of the time doesn't sit well. It was up to Liverpool who they played and let us not forget they were good enough to beat us. The biggest issue was Klopp not even having the decency to turn up. Follow that up with his post match comments after the first game, sums him up.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 3, 2021 15:22:12 GMT 1
It’s always meant something to me because of us beating Everton in the first ever League Cup competition. One of my best Town memories. Beats my first memory of League Cup.......................losing 6-1 to Walsall
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Post by welshdan on Jun 3, 2021 15:27:18 GMT 1
I’m sure if I could be bothered to look through the threads there would be many examples of “play reserves/youth” in the JPT/Autowindscreen plus other names over the years.
And fair enough as it’s about priorities. Same goes for the top clubs and the EFL cup and more so over the years the FA cup.
Europe and Premier league will be their focus expect for teams like city who have enough quality that it’s hard to spot their 2nd team.
As others have said maybe best for the European teams to opt out and let others go for the trophy.
Although cups will often play second fiddle to the league and teams fighting for promotion/relegation so will vary season by season
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 3, 2021 15:29:00 GMT 1
If European clubs don’t enter it would finally be the end of the ‘Can Man City win the quadruple’ annual debate that comes around every January.
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Post by vladimir on Jun 3, 2021 18:29:39 GMT 1
The solution is simple - teams in the Champions league do not enter the League Cup. At least a team other than Man City will have a chance of winning it! Simpler solution the winners of both the fa cup and EFL cup go into a post season play off with 3rd and 4th place in the PL for the other 2 UCL slots.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 3, 2021 19:18:37 GMT 1
However, City and other top clubs do treat it seriously and aim to win it.
Some of my best recent memories are of the victories at Pride Park, 3-2 and at Leicester where we won 1-0.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 7, 2021 18:40:22 GMT 1
It’s always meant something to me because of us beating Everton in the first ever League Cup competition. One of my best Town memories. Mine too. Seeing a young Peter Dolby scoring two against the First Division giants. The same Peter Dolby who later coached my team to a couple of very successful seasons and once he retired from the professional game, became a team mate of mine. He still oozed quality even then.
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Post by leonidrogozov on Jun 7, 2021 18:45:25 GMT 1
Micky Brown's volley v Southampton and the Blackburn replay from the run in 1993 are still fond memories.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 7, 2021 23:01:45 GMT 1
As someone mentioned in another thread, you can look at this both ways. Klopp not being there was disrespectful, and in combination with playing the U23s cost us being on TV as well as some of the sense of occasion. It was also an enormous opportunity to earn even more money wasted. We roll over youth teams in the pizza trophy all the time, and yet presented with an incredible opportunity our manager froze and we barely crossed the halfway line against Liverpool's kids in what can only be described as tactical cowardice. It was a great chance to progress, and get more prize money and a share of ticket sales from a sold out Stamford Bridge and almost certain TV money. We had a great chance, and we completely ****ed it up - we can't blame Liverpool for that one.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 8, 2021 6:31:03 GMT 1
No true but I wonder if all the shenanigans off the pitch affected them somehow? We will never know but in their minds there may have been a big difference between playing the first team with the manager there and playing what was basically an anti climax. A better VAR decision on the night and who knows what might have happened.
They also didn’t give us a chance to make money when we could have and made life as difficult as possible for our fans.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 8, 2021 7:43:24 GMT 1
No true but I wonder if all the shenanigans off the pitch affected them somehow? We will never know but in their minds there may have been a big difference between playing the first team with the manager there and playing what was basically an anti climax. A better VAR decision on the night and who knows what might have happened. They also didn’t give us a chance to make money when we could have and made life as difficult as possible for our fans. What make money by charging us more. One of Roland# gripes was slashed ticket price’s inferring he wanted us to be charged more…. He sounds bitter and makes us look petty, we won’t get any sympathy from other clubs / fans so needs putting to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 8:08:28 GMT 1
I always think we (and a lot of lower league fans) are massive hypocrites when it comes to the league & FA Cups. We complain about the premier league clubs being disrespectful towards them, however as fans we normally say we should use them as games to play fringe players/youngsters (particularly if we play a non league side) and then expect ticket prices to be lowered a lot compared to a 'normal' match. Basically doing what Premier League clubs do when they play us.
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Post by clashcityrocker on Jun 8, 2021 13:33:48 GMT 1
However, City and other top clubs do treat it seriously and aim to win it. Some of my best recent memories are of the victories at Pride Park, 3-2 and at Leicester where we won 1-0. Beating Swansea the year before they won it was sweet too!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2021 13:38:24 GMT 1
As someone mentioned in another thread, you can look at this both ways. Klopp not being there was disrespectful, and in combination with playing the U23s cost us being on TV as well as some of the sense of occasion. It was also an enormous opportunity to earn even more money wasted. We roll over youth teams in the pizza trophy all the time, and yet presented with an incredible opportunity our manager froze and we barely crossed the halfway line against Liverpool's kids in what can only be described as tactical cowardice. It was a great chance to progress, and get more prize money and a share of ticket sales from a sold out Stamford Bridge and almost certain TV money. We had a great chance, and we completely ****ed it up - we can't blame Liverpool for that one. cup games don’t count Except the one away to the world champions in front of a sell out That one counts , every single week on here
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 8, 2021 14:58:29 GMT 1
As someone mentioned in another thread, you can look at this both ways. Klopp not being there was disrespectful, and in combination with playing the U23s cost us being on TV as well as some of the sense of occasion. It was also an enormous opportunity to earn even more money wasted. We roll over youth teams in the pizza trophy all the time, and yet presented with an incredible opportunity our manager froze and we barely crossed the halfway line against Liverpool's kids in what can only be described as tactical cowardice. It was a great chance to progress, and get more prize money and a share of ticket sales from a sold out Stamford Bridge and almost certain TV money. We had a great chance, and we completely ****ed it up - we can't blame Liverpool for that one. cup games don’t count Except the one away to the world champions in front of a sell out That one counts , every single week on here FA Cup games and League Cup games count. I've given Ricketts well-deserved criticism for the Liverpool replay, a wretched performance that's a stain on the club's recent history. I've also given credit to Ricketts for the majority of his performances in the FA Cup. In tribute to you, here's a post from me after the Bristol City game: " Credit tonight to two much maligned Shrewsbury figures:
Sam Ricketts - the debate about his setup over the course of a season will run and run, but there's no doubt that in cup matches he knows how to set up a team to not only contain higher league opposition, but to go toe-to-toe with them. Much the better side over the course of 180 minutes against a strong, top half of the Championship side, following on from last year's valiant efforts." However, the B-Team trophy (that I and other right-minded fans correctly boycott) certainly do not count. Frankly, no-one gives a toss. Finally, the usual reminder that the likes of Sepp Van Den Berg, Liam Millar and Jake Cain are not World Champions. Cheers!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 8, 2021 15:43:27 GMT 1
As someone mentioned in another thread, you can look at this both ways. Klopp not being there was disrespectful, and in combination with playing the U23s cost us being on TV as well as some of the sense of occasion. It was also an enormous opportunity to earn even more money wasted. We roll over youth teams in the pizza trophy all the time, and yet presented with an incredible opportunity our manager froze and we barely crossed the halfway line against Liverpool's kids in what can only be described as tactical cowardice. It was a great chance to progress, and get more prize money and a share of ticket sales from a sold out Stamford Bridge and almost certain TV money. We had a great chance, and we completely ****ed it up - we can't blame Liverpool for that one. cup games don’t count Except the one away to the world champions in front of a sell out That one counts , every single week on here I suspect if the chairman and chief executive weren’t still harping on about it a full 16 months later, that the fans might not be anymore either.
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