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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 2, 2021 13:54:47 GMT 1
I have no great interest in horse racing, but I am appalled at the treatment of this guy who’s livelihood and those of his employees is threatened by the gross over-reaction to the picture of him sitting on a dead horse.
Yes, it was not respecting the dignity of a dead animal, but when animal rights activists are trying to equate it to pictures of trophy hunters, then you realise the lack of perspective. He’s apologised profusely, and is ready to suffer the consequences but to remove his licence and all that entails, is quite ridiculous in my opinion. It’s not as though he was mistreating his horses.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 2, 2021 14:06:30 GMT 1
What’s your opinion of the video of Rob James, who I believe is a jockey who rode for Gordon?
Maybe there’s an underlying issue within the sport?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 2, 2021 14:07:41 GMT 1
Was a pretty stupid thing to do.
I'd settle for a rather large donation to an "old race horse" charity - restore a little dignity to someone who's living is those gee-gees
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Post by rayh on Mar 2, 2021 14:20:37 GMT 1
Not a nice thing to do, what on earth was he expecting to achieve by sitting on a poor dead animal?. In my opinion deserves what ever comes his way absolutely stupid person.
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Post by jamo on Mar 2, 2021 15:18:05 GMT 1
Won’t be this blokes best day at work I’m sure but comparisons with trophy hunters is pretty wide of the mark in my opinion. They deliberately set out to kill and maim their prey, this bloke just reacted (albeit you could argue naively and stupidly) to a situation not of his making. Agree with the comment that he should probably make some sizeable donation to a racing charity and then be allowed to continue to provide employment for the dozens of people who rely on him to do so.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 2, 2021 15:25:54 GMT 1
Not a nice thing to do, what on earth was he expecting to achieve by sitting on a poor dead animal?. In my opinion deserves what ever comes his way absolutely stupid person. i agree to put it in perspective what would peoples thoughts be if a picture of their vet appeared online sat smiling on their dead pet dog ? if you are going to put yourseif in the firing line, expect to get shot down
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 2, 2021 15:28:37 GMT 1
Maybe there’s an underlying issue within the sport? There isn't at all, it's just one idiot shedding a bad light on the whole sport.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 2, 2021 15:34:09 GMT 1
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Post by harboroughshrew on Mar 2, 2021 15:45:54 GMT 1
As an avid jump racing fan it is always very hard to justify the death toll on horses that is part and parcel of the sport. Elliott has already acknowledged he has made a really bad error and will probably get a lengthy ban from training and has already lost his up and coming star horse Envoi Allen who has already been transferred to another Irish yard. That said he is someone who has built up a top stable from scratch without having a racing background and I doubt very much he would have been able to do that without giving proper care and attention to his horses. If this is just a one-off incident then he will take his punishment and I hope we will see him back again in racing.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 2, 2021 15:51:43 GMT 1
I don't think his actions are as bad as the trophy hunting perverts but nor do I buy the argument that he should be excused because other people's jobs depend on him being excused.
No doubt there are jobs dependent on trophy hunting too. Jobs don't override morality or the dignity of lives, human or animal.
In any case, if he's banned from training (which I doubt will happen because the vested interests in horse racing are too well connected), the horses in his yard won't stop being racehorses to be trained. Someone else will take over, horses might move to other yards and jobs with them etc. The business will go on - which is another debate altogether.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Mar 2, 2021 17:11:34 GMT 1
I wonder what the motive was of the photographer?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 2, 2021 17:59:09 GMT 1
I wonder what the motive was of the photographer? to make money / to show someone or both that might be what they do for a living and fair play to them
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 2, 2021 18:01:44 GMT 1
Maybe there’s an underlying issue within the sport? There isn't at all, it's just one idiot shedding a bad light on the whole sport. You say that as if it’s a fact not your opinion! around 200 horses are put down each year due to injuries sustained whilst racing (7/800 in the US) The thoroughbred racing industry Euthanise a further 10,000 who are at the end of their working life..... most go to the European meat industry.
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Post by jamo on Mar 2, 2021 18:20:02 GMT 1
I don't think his actions are as bad as the trophy hunting perverts but nor do I buy the argument that he should be excused because other people's jobs depend on him being excused. No doubt there are jobs dependent on trophy hunting too. Jobs don't override morality or the dignity of lives, human or animal. In any case, if he's banned from training (which I doubt will happen because the vested interests in horse racing are too well connected), the horses in his yard won't stop being racehorses to be trained. Someone else will take over, horses might move to other yards and jobs with them etc. The business will go on - which is another debate altogether. Not sure I agree with that. Anyone with a job dependent upon trophy hunting does so in an acknowledgment that they are complicit in that vile industry. I would argue that the same could not be said of the young stable hands, jockey’s etc who work for this bloke. I take the point about the horses being moved and taken over by other trainers, which is probably quite likely in this case.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 2, 2021 18:38:38 GMT 1
I don't think his actions are as bad as the trophy hunting perverts but nor do I buy the argument that he should be excused because other people's jobs depend on him being excused. No doubt there are jobs dependent on trophy hunting too. Jobs don't override morality or the dignity of lives, human or animal. In any case, if he's banned from training (which I doubt will happen because the vested interests in horse racing are too well connected), the horses in his yard won't stop being racehorses to be trained. Someone else will take over, horses might move to other yards and jobs with them etc. The business will go on - which is another debate altogether. Not sure I agree with that. Anyone with a job dependent upon trophy hunting does so in an acknowledgment that they are complicit in that vile industry. I would argue that the same could not be said of the young stable hands, jockey’s etc who work for this bloke. I take the point about the horses being moved and taken over by other trainers, which is probably quite likely in this case. Fair point. I don't know about the trophy hunting economy - was there a hunting economy before they sanitised it into the canned, farm-based hunting the perverts indulge in now? Don't know. Whatever, it's an utterly debauched activity.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Mar 5, 2021 19:35:32 GMT 1
He has been banned from training for a year with six months suspended.
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