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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 12:46:50 GMT 1
I have to agree. There won’t be one of us who hasn’t been inconvenienced in some way since March I fear. It’s just the way things are at the moment. Last weekend should have been a big celebration for us - golden wedding - but it wasn’t to be. I am hoping that if all goes well we can celebrate properly next year. But it was sad not to be able to do what we wanted. The big problem is how to get everyone to realise that the virus hasn’t been beaten yet. Even the wearing of face masks is deemed by some to be ridiculous. It may well turn out to be so but at the moment we don’t know. I for one am heartily sick of others being difficult just for the sake of it because they think it makes them look big. No it doesn’t it makes them look selfish, stupid and just plain nasty. exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 12:47:37 GMT 1
This Government are damned if they do and damned if they don't! Cases were rising in these areas, fact. Government are now taking action. We've been told all along that if people don't respect the current rules, then these measures could be enforced. There needs to be a blanket rule or else there would be no end of excuses being given as to why the lockdown shouldn't apply to certain people. My new slogan would be, "stop moaning, get on with it & the virus will go sooner rather than later" But if you are going to announce new measures for a big populated area then at least do it properly, the way that this has been handled is inexcusable. Well, let's learn from this time and have a documented process for exactly what people can expect to hear the next time this sort of thing happens, and it will. People should get used to how it works and what to expect, even at very short notice.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 12:53:16 GMT 1
I have to agree. There won’t be one of us who hasn’t been inconvenienced in some way since March I fear. It’s just the way things are at the moment. Last weekend should have been a big celebration for us - golden wedding - but it wasn’t to be. I am hoping that if all goes well we can celebrate properly next year. But it was sad not to be able to do what we wanted. The big problem is how to get everyone to realise that the virus hasn’t been beaten yet. Even the wearing of face masks is deemed by some to be ridiculous. It may well turn out to be so but at the moment we don’t know. I for one am heartily sick of others being difficult just for the sake of it because they think it makes them look big. No it doesn’t it makes them look selfish, stupid and just plain nasty. exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds We can't all be pefect like you. Though sticking a mask on would seem sensible, humans aren't always sensible. Perhaps Nwm should wait outside the newsagent and ask a passing person in a mask to nip in and buy his papers, like the kids used to try outside the off licence.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2020 12:54:12 GMT 1
It's not about a complete lock down at the moment though. It's again introducing certain restrictions to reduce the number of interactions, to help reduce the spread. Stopping home visits may have a bigger impact than stopping people meeting at the pub. I guess it's about limiting social interaction, not stopping it completely. And one has a bigger impact than the other. It may not be a complete lock down but my daughter, who lives in Sale is very angry at the way this announcement was rushed through last night and she is also very disappointed that she cannot come to stay with us over this weekend to celebrate her mum's special birthday. Personally, I agree 100% with my daughter. This has been rushed through and leaves more questions than answers. It was rushed through because something had to be in place before Eid festival.... seemed pretty clear advice more a case of the populous not liking what the advice was? What doesn’t your daughter understand?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 12:56:18 GMT 1
exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds We can't all be pefect like you. Though sticking a mask on would seem sensible, humans aren't always sensible. Perhaps Nwm should wait outside the newsagent and ask a passing person in a mask to nip in and buy his papers, like the kids used to try outside the off licence. I was having a pop at this post I'm just nipping over the border to buy a paper later on (Wales doesn't require facemasks in shops). I do actually possess an exemption card because of my asthma, but don't relish the almost inevitable confrontation with someone that will occur if I enter an English shop without a mask.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 13:02:34 GMT 1
We can't all be pefect like you. Though sticking a mask on would seem sensible, humans aren't always sensible. Perhaps Nwm should wait outside the newsagent and ask a passing person in a mask to nip in and buy his papers, like the kids used to try outside the off licence. I was having a pop at this post I'm just nipping over the border to buy a paper later on (Wales doesn't require facemasks in shops). I do actually possess an exemption card because of my asthma, but don't relish the almost inevitable confrontation with someone that will occur if I enter an English shop without a mask. I know, that's why I suggested he should wait outside an English shop and ask a passing person in a mask if they would pop in for his papers (he could tell them he had forgotten his mask). I wouldn't be surprised if his Welsh excursion didn't involve visiting a quiet pub somewhere as well.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 31, 2020 13:03:23 GMT 1
Anything that stops a country wide lockdown has to be done and for once I'm pleasantly surprised the govt have acted with a bit of urgency. The country absolutely cannot afford another lockdown - economically we will all be on our knees. The virus isn't going to go away the best the govt can do while waiting for a vaccine is by targeting local lockdowns (which they're doing) and improving on their dreadful track and trace record.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 13:06:01 GMT 1
Anything that stops a country wide lockdown has to be done and for once I'm pleasantly surprised the govt have acted with a bit of urgency. The country absolutely cannot afford another lockdown - economically we will all be on our knees. The virus isn't going to go away the best the govt can do while waiting for a vaccine is by targeting local lockdowns (which they're doing) and improving on their dreadful track and trace record. Spot on, as long as the public and government learn lessons from this about what to do and what's expected next time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:08:15 GMT 1
It may not be a complete lock down but my daughter, who lives in Sale is very angry at the way this announcement was rushed through last night and she is also very disappointed that she cannot come to stay with us over this weekend to celebrate her mum's special birthday. Personally, I agree 100% with my daughter. This has been rushed through and leaves more questions than answers. It was rushed through because something had to be in place before Eid festival.... seemed pretty clear advice more a case of the populous not liking what the advice was? What doesn’t your daughter understand? To be clear, she fully understands the content but like many others was not happy with the poor way in which it was communicated.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2020 13:11:20 GMT 1
Anything that stops a country wide lockdown has to be done and for once I'm pleasantly surprised the govt have acted with a bit of urgency. The country absolutely cannot afford another lockdown - economically we will all be on our knees. The virus isn't going to go away the best the govt can do while waiting for a vaccine is by targeting local lockdowns (which they're doing) and improving on their dreadful track and trace record. Spot on, as long as the public and government learn lessons from this about what to do and what's expected next time. Agreed. So long as lessons are learned for the future it’s all we can ask in these unprecedented times.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 31, 2020 13:18:12 GMT 1
I just pointed out the inconsistency of a situation where I'm not permitted to sit in my daughter's garden but can go to the pub around the corner and sit inside with her. Am I right in thinking that you could go to the same pub as her but if she's not part of your social bubble you cannot interact with her? I was planning to see my daughter (who lives in Sale) this weekend and I'm trying to work out what we can and cannot do now that these new measures have been imposed. How would the pub know about bubbles? Apparently we can also meet in the park, gym etc. It’s down to whether individuals abide by the rules and judging from what I overheard people saying when I was shopping this morning many of them will not. If only I had a pound for each time I heard ‘it’s b******s’.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 13:42:35 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking that you could go to the same pub as her but if she's not part of your social bubble you cannot interact with her? I was planning to see my daughter (who lives in Sale) this weekend and I'm trying to work out what we can and cannot do now that these new measures have been imposed. How would the pub know about bubbles? Apparently we can also meet in the park, gym etc. It’s down to whether individuals abide by the rules and judging from what I overheard people saying when I was shopping this morning many of them will not. If only I had a pound for each time I heard ‘it’s b******s’. The way the local council is talking about the Stone outbreak, I think they are subtly moving over some responsibility to pub venues by saying the licence could be in jeopardy if rules are not adhered to. So the great unwashed public might think it's B**ls but the venues have to limit entry, put in place sanitisers and stuff and risk assess, in fear of their licence to serve alcohol being revoked. My bet is that council reps will be checking pubs are doing the right thing and warning them.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 13:58:27 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:24:40 GMT 1
I have to agree. There won’t be one of us who hasn’t been inconvenienced in some way since March I fear. It’s just the way things are at the moment. Last weekend should have been a big celebration for us - golden wedding - but it wasn’t to be. I am hoping that if all goes well we can celebrate properly next year. But it was sad not to be able to do what we wanted. The big problem is how to get everyone to realise that the virus hasn’t been beaten yet. Even the wearing of face masks is deemed by some to be ridiculous. It may well turn out to be so but at the moment we don’t know. I for one am heartily sick of others being difficult just for the sake of it because they think it makes them look big. No it doesn’t it makes them look selfish, stupid and just plain nasty. exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds my kids to fairbourne yesterday. Little corner shop wouldn’t let me in without a mask👍
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 14:34:55 GMT 1
exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds my kids to fairbourne yesterday. Little corner shop wouldn’t let me in without a mask👍 Obviously missing a trick, they should have had a box in the doorway with facemasks a pound a time, please put one on if not already wearing one and pay at the counter.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 14:37:49 GMT 1
exactly I'm off to Wales for a newspaper, it will save me popping around my local shop and putting a mask on for 10 seconds my kids to fairbourne yesterday. Little corner shop wouldn’t let me in without a mask👍 I bet they sold them for £1 each though ;-)
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2020 14:39:32 GMT 1
I was having a pop at this post I know, that's why I suggested he should wait outside an English shop and ask a passing person in a mask if they would pop in for his papers (he could tell them he had forgotten his mask). I wouldn't be surprised if his Welsh excursion didn't involve visiting a quiet pub somewhere as well. Not yet. Wales don't allow drinking inside pubs until Monday! I'm not an outside drinker. Sun warming up the beer plus flies/wasps doesn't appeal.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 14:51:20 GMT 1
I know, that's why I suggested he should wait outside an English shop and ask a passing person in a mask if they would pop in for his papers (he could tell them he had forgotten his mask). I wouldn't be surprised if his Welsh excursion didn't involve visiting a quiet pub somewhere as well. Not yet. Wales don't allow drinking inside pubs until Monday! I'm not an outside drinker. Sun warming up the beer plus flies/wasps doesn't appeal. try having a bath before you go ;-)
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 31, 2020 15:43:50 GMT 1
How would the pub know about bubbles? Apparently we can also meet in the park, gym etc. It’s down to whether individuals abide by the rules and judging from what I overheard people saying when I was shopping this morning many of them will not. If only I had a pound for each time I heard ‘it’s b******s’. The way the local council is talking about the Stone outbreak, I think they are subtly moving over some responsibility to pub venues by saying the licence could be in jeopardy if rules are not adhered to. So the great unwashed public might think it's B**ls but the venues have to limit entry, put in place sanitisers and stuff and risk assess, in fear of their licence to serve alcohol being revoked. My bet is that council reps will be checking pubs are doing the right thing and warning them. Problem is that reps can’t be checking 24/7. I was talking to the guy we buy cheese from on Alty market and he said that on weekends there are long queues to get into the market hall not socially distancing. The council reps turn up, get them separated and they close up again as soon as the reps leave. Just to explain that the market hall in Altrincham was bought by an entrepreneur who converted it from a traditional market to a foodie destination and the sort of place that sells 12 different flavours of beard oil. A handful of the useful sellers were allowed to remain on the periphery, so at least we still have a grocer, fishmonger and cheese seller. I think the majority of people play by the rules, but there are enough who don’t and they are responsible for the situation we now have in our area. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt whether many of that minority will change their behaviour without stronger enforcement and stiffer penalties.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2020 15:48:57 GMT 1
The way the local council is talking about the Stone outbreak, I think they are subtly moving over some responsibility to pub venues by saying the licence could be in jeopardy if rules are not adhered to. So the great unwashed public might think it's B**ls but the venues have to limit entry, put in place sanitisers and stuff and risk assess, in fear of their licence to serve alcohol being revoked. My bet is that council reps will be checking pubs are doing the right thing and warning them. Problem is that reps can’t be checking 24/7. I was talking to the guy we buy cheese from on Alty market and he said that on weekends there are long queues to get into the market hall not socially distancing. The council reps turn up, get them separated and they close up again as soon as the reps leave. Just to explain that the market hall in Altrincham was bought by an entrepreneur who converted it from a traditional market to a foodie destination and the sort of place that sells 12 different flavours of beard oil. A handful of the useful sellers were allowed to remain on the periphery, so at least we still have a grocer, fishmonger and cheese seller. I think the majority of people play by the rules, but there are enough who don’t and they are responsible for the situation we now have in our area. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt whether many of that minority will change their behaviour without stronger enforcement and stiffer penalties. Agreed. The time for the government relying on people’s common sense has passed I’m afraid. There are too many of them who just haven’t got any.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2020 16:08:57 GMT 1
It was rushed through because something had to be in place before Eid festival.... seemed pretty clear advice more a case of the populous not liking what the advice was? What doesn’t your daughter understand? To be clear, she fully understands the content but like many others was not happy with the poor way in which it was communicated. Don’t agree it was poor. A news bulletin (very clear) and plenty on social media in case you don’t watch the news..... like many others not happy because it affected them which I can understand. Cast your mind back to the criticism Boris got when he delayed lock down and allowed planes to land for far too long. He does something instantly to slow the spread and gets criticised... Plenty to knock him a bout but swift action due to the behaviour of many in that area (not your daughters she’s a victim of many others, complain to them)
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2020 16:19:29 GMT 1
The way the local council is talking about the Stone outbreak, I think they are subtly moving over some responsibility to pub venues by saying the licence could be in jeopardy if rules are not adhered to. So the great unwashed public might think it's B**ls but the venues have to limit entry, put in place sanitisers and stuff and risk assess, in fear of their licence to serve alcohol being revoked. My bet is that council reps will be checking pubs are doing the right thing and warning them. Problem is that reps can’t be checking 24/7. I was talking to the guy we buy cheese from on Alty market and he said that on weekends there are long queues to get into the market hall not socially distancing. The council reps turn up, get them separated and they close up again as soon as the reps leave. Just to explain that the market hall in Altrincham was bought by an entrepreneur who converted it from a traditional market to a foodie destination and the sort of place that sells 12 different flavours of beard oil. A handful of the useful sellers were allowed to remain on the periphery, so at least we still have a grocer, fishmonger and cheese seller. I think the majority of people play by the rules, but there are enough who don’t and they are responsible for the situation we now have in our area. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt whether many of that minority will change their behaviour without stronger enforcement and stiffer penalties. That’s why the more affluent areas of Trafford have a problem more in line with the rest of Lancashires mill towns ..... Im a bit confused why someone selling 12 different ‘bread oils’ is a ‘foody’ how many different cheeses does your ‘useful’ cheese seller stock? Best cheese shop used to be in Didsbury owned by the same chap who owned the ?? Royal Oak ?? That only sold bread and cheese at lunchtimes but what a selection
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2020 16:41:04 GMT 1
Best cheese shop used to be in Didsbury owned by the same chap who owned the ?? Royal Oak ?? That only sold bread and cheese at lunchtimes but what a selection Yes, for some years I was a regular patron of the Royal Oak, Didsbury, which was run immaculately by an old style landlord called Arthur. Excellent quality beers, an old fashioned till, ultra efficient bar staff, waitress service in the evenings, no children allowed to set foot in the place. And the most wonderful cheese and pate selection together with crusty bread and french butter. The queues started forming well before 12 o'clock. 2 large slices of cheese and 2 pates for a ridiculously low price. Most had to take some of the cheese back home in the doggie bags provided. At 2 p.m. any unused crusty bread was sold to the customers for next to nothing. All changed now, and not for the better.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 18:02:07 GMT 1
The way the local council is talking about the Stone outbreak, I think they are subtly moving over some responsibility to pub venues by saying the licence could be in jeopardy if rules are not adhered to. So the great unwashed public might think it's B**ls but the venues have to limit entry, put in place sanitisers and stuff and risk assess, in fear of their licence to serve alcohol being revoked. My bet is that council reps will be checking pubs are doing the right thing and warning them. Problem is that reps can’t be checking 24/7. I was talking to the guy we buy cheese from on Alty market and he said that on weekends there are long queues to get into the market hall not socially distancing. The council reps turn up, get them separated and they close up again as soon as the reps leave. Just to explain that the market hall in Altrincham was bought by an entrepreneur who converted it from a traditional market to a foodie destination and the sort of place that sells 12 different flavours of beard oil. A handful of the useful sellers were allowed to remain on the periphery, so at least we still have a grocer, fishmonger and cheese seller. I think the majority of people play by the rules, but there are enough who don’t and they are responsible for the situation we now have in our area. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt whether many of that minority will change their behaviour without stronger enforcement and stiffer penalties. Can't be checking 24/7, but a lot more rights for the pole-eece or council reps to wander into a pub than a private house oarty.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jul 31, 2020 19:09:19 GMT 1
Millions again being penalised for a selfish minority. Clear parallels with the selectors overlooking Shagger
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 31, 2020 19:11:07 GMT 1
Based in Rusholme, alot of confusion around the local rags.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 19:12:37 GMT 1
Best cheese shop used to be in Didsbury owned by the same chap who owned the ?? Royal Oak ?? That only sold bread and cheese at lunchtimes but what a selection Yes, for some years I was a regular patron of the Royal Oak, Didsbury, which was run immaculately by an old style landlord called Arthur. Excellent quality beers, an old fashioned till, ultra efficient bar staff, waitress service in the evenings, no children allowed to set foot in the place. And the most wonderful cheese and pate selection together with crusty bread and french butter. The queues started forming well before 12 o'clock. 2 large slices of cheese and 2 pates for a ridiculously low price. Most had to take some of the cheese back home in the doggie bags provided. At 2 p.m. any unused crusty bread was sold to the customers for next to nothing. All changed now, and not for the better. things are often remembered better than they actually were if you could go back in time you'd probably be disappointed when you realised it was just a mothers price loaf with a dairy lee and pot of shippams paste ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 19:23:35 GMT 1
Yes, for some years I was a regular patron of the Royal Oak, Didsbury, which was run immaculately by an old style landlord called Arthur. Excellent quality beers, an old fashioned till, ultra efficient bar staff, waitress service in the evenings, no children allowed to set foot in the place. And the most wonderful cheese and pate selection together with crusty bread and french butter. The queues started forming well before 12 o'clock. 2 large slices of cheese and 2 pates for a ridiculously low price. Most had to take some of the cheese back home in the doggie bags provided. At 2 p.m. any unused crusty bread was sold to the customers for next to nothing. All changed now, and not for the better. things are often remembered better than they actually were if you could go back in time you'd probably be disappointed when you realised it was just a mothers price loaf with a dairy lee and pot of shippams paste ;-) Nowt wrong with that lad. Bread, Dairy-Lee and Shippams paste made me what I am today.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:25 GMT 1
things are often remembered better than they actually were if you could go back in time you'd probably be disappointed when you realised it was just a mothers price loaf with a dairy lee and pot of shippams paste ;-) Nowt wrong with that lad. Bread, Dairy-Lee and Shippams paste made me what I am today. I remember this ceramic white paste pots, that doubled up as a bird seed feeder I used to love the smokey bacon one
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 31, 2020 20:01:12 GMT 1
Was due to visit my Dad tomorrow. Social Distancing in their garden. Now can't, but could still go if we go to the pub - where is the sense in this new rule? Dad hasn't been out at all because of heart problem so pub is a non-starter. Does your Dad have an indoor garden or something? Flap your wing and .... off.
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