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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 31, 2020 5:44:05 GMT 1
Was due to visit my Dad tomorrow. Social Distancing in their garden.
Now can't, but could still go if we go to the pub - where is the sense in this new rule?
Dad hasn't been out at all because of heart problem so pub is a non-starter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 5:59:24 GMT 1
Like it or not, it can be easier to socially distance in a pub than in a house. Clearly if its just you going to see your parents that sounds ridiculous but I dont think that is the problem, the problem is large family gatherings in a house making socially distancing impossible and the conditions are perfect for passing on.
These are towns/cities with large Muslim areas, EID starts today meaning large family gatherings would take place. I've seen plenty of people complain that this is racism considering all the mass gatherings across the country so why target these areas,a fair point. But if numbers are high in these areas already and its known there are likely to be lots of large gatherings then surely the government are obliged to act?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jul 31, 2020 8:27:18 GMT 1
I think The Shropshire Tenor, Rusholme Ruffian and Red Rose In Exile really need to look at themselves and consider if they’ve been aiding and abetting Covid-19 through their actions.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jul 31, 2020 8:33:24 GMT 1
Was due to visit my Dad tomorrow. Social Distancing in their garden. Now can't, but could still go if we go to the pub - where is the sense in this new rule? Dad hasn't been out at all because of heart problem so pub is a non-starter. Does your Dad have an indoor garden or something?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 31, 2020 8:44:22 GMT 1
Just pop this here as well. To all those Town fans impacted, stay safe. Hope this won't be in place for too long (fingers crossed)...
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 31, 2020 8:51:11 GMT 1
There's nothing racist about looking at the figures and spotting trends. Almost all, if not all the areas in the top 10 have a larger percentage of Pakistani and Bangladeshi residents. The fact that the BAME community are far more likely to die from contracting Covid-19 makes it worse. Is this behavioural, is this something else? Either way, it's a fact, it's happening and it needs addressing.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 31, 2020 9:01:52 GMT 1
Like it or not, it can be easier to socially distance in a pub than in a house. Clearly if its just you going to see your parents that sounds ridiculous but I dont think that is the problem, the problem is large family gatherings in a house making socially distancing impossible and the conditions are perfect for passing on. These are towns/cities with large Muslim areas, EID starts today meaning large family gatherings would take place. I've seen plenty of people complain that this is racism considering all the mass gatherings across the country so why target these areas,a fair point. But if numbers are high in these areas already and its known there are likely to be lots of large gatherings then surely the government are obliged to act? Big increases in infections in Altrincham which is a very white town. The local PHE official said the outbreak is among middle class professionals and young people in this area. Anyone who has seen the foodie destination (nearly wrote Mecca, whoops!), Altrincham market during the last 3 weeks or so will have seen the crowds of hipsters shoulder to shoulder at the trestle tables eating their crushed avocado on toast - £9.50, £2.50 extra for a poached egg. Increased infections were sure to follow. I get the comments about Eid, but it’s not the only story.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 10:02:29 GMT 1
Was due to visit my Dad tomorrow. Social Distancing in their garden. Now can't, but could still go if we go to the pub - where is the sense in this new rule? Dad hasn't been out at all because of heart problem so pub is a non-starter. coincidence that another NW based member was too going to visit a family member today but now can't , also complained about could go to a pub instead all we've heard during this corona crisis is why didn't the gov do this and that weeks ago and when they do suddenly bring measures in abruptly the same kind of people are jumping up and down questioning it various peoples lifestyle and habits are playing into the hands of this virus , steps are being taken as too many are 'pronoid'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:24:54 GMT 1
Our daughter and son in law live in Sale. They are due to come and stay with us tomorrow over in West Cheshire and we had planned a birthday meal out (it's my wife's big 0 birthday).
As things stand this sounds like a no goer.
Very disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:03:53 GMT 1
There's nothing racist about looking at the figures and spotting trends. Almost all, if not all the areas in the top 10 have a larger percentage of Pakistani and Bangladeshi residents. The fact that the BAME community are far more likely to die from contracting Covid-19 makes it worse. Is this behavioural, is this something else? Either way, it's a fact, it's happening and it needs addressing. Has someone said it’s racist? These are also (happy to be corrected if I’m wrong) areas of highest socioeconomic deprivation and have been for decades👍
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 31, 2020 11:14:52 GMT 1
Was due to visit my Dad tomorrow. Social Distancing in their garden. Now can't, but could still go if we go to the pub - where is the sense in this new rule? Dad hasn't been out at all because of heart problem so pub is a non-starter. coincidence that another NW based member was too going to visit a family member today but now can't , also complained about could go to a pub instead all we've heard during this corona crisis is why didn't the gov do this and that weeks ago and when they do suddenly bring measures in abruptly the same kind of people are jumping up and down questioning it various peoples lifestyle and habits are playing into the hands of this virus , steps are being taken as too many are 'pronoid' If you're referring to me I didn't 'complain'. I just pointed out the inconsistency of a situation where I'm not permitted to sit in my daughter's garden but can go to the pub around the corner and sit inside with her. Do you think that makes sense?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 11:28:01 GMT 1
coincidence that another NW based member was too going to visit a family member today but now can't , also complained about could go to a pub instead all we've heard during this corona crisis is why didn't the gov do this and that weeks ago and when they do suddenly bring measures in abruptly the same kind of people are jumping up and down questioning it various peoples lifestyle and habits are playing into the hands of this virus , steps are being taken as too many are 'pronoid' If you're referring to me I didn't 'complain'. I just pointed out the inconsistency of a situation where I'm not permitted to sit in my daughter's garden but can go to the pub around the corner and sit inside with her. Do you think that makes sense? but what do you want ? all shops and businesses to close again ? would that make more sense ? we all know muslims are not having great corona stats and there is a islamic holiday this weekend would it make more sense to just tell them to go into lockdown ? brave man to make that decision seems to me its a simple message that will reduce the spread , but for those who still feel the need to risk meets then its business as usual
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2020 11:37:08 GMT 1
As I said on the "mass gatherings" thread, the Stone pub believed to be the centre of the Stone flare up is to reopen with table service. It has had to revise it's risk assessments with mention by the council that it's licence could be in danger if it doesn't do the right thing.
That's why it might be safer than a late night binge in a garden.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 31, 2020 11:41:01 GMT 1
It's not about a complete lock down at the moment though. It's again introducing certain restrictions to reduce the number of interactions, to help reduce the spread. Stopping home visits may have a bigger impact than stopping people meeting at the pub. I guess it's about limiting social interaction, not stopping it completely. And one has a bigger impact than the other.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 31, 2020 11:44:10 GMT 1
Cases are rising in the area, the government are terrified of forcing an area the size of Greater Manchester to close again so soon after re-opening, so have put in this half measure in a desperate hope it’ll do some good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:58:24 GMT 1
Millions again being penalised for a selfish minority.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:09:40 GMT 1
It's not about a complete lock down at the moment though. It's again introducing certain restrictions to reduce the number of interactions, to help reduce the spread. Stopping home visits may have a bigger impact than stopping people meeting at the pub. I guess it's about limiting social interaction, not stopping it completely. And one has a bigger impact than the other. It may not be a complete lock down but my daughter, who lives in Sale is very angry at the way this announcement was rushed through last night and she is also very disappointed that she cannot come to stay with us over this weekend to celebrate her mum's special birthday. Personally, I agree 100% with my daughter. This has been rushed through and leaves more questions than answers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:11:37 GMT 1
If you're referring to me I didn't 'complain'. I just pointed out the inconsistency of a situation where I'm not permitted to sit in my daughter's garden but can go to the pub around the corner and sit inside with her. Do you think that makes sense? but what do you want ? all shops and businesses to close again ? would that make more sense ? we all know muslims are not having great corona stats and there is a islamic holiday this weekend would it make more sense to just tell them to go into lockdown ? brave man to make that decision seems to me its a simple message that will reduce the spread , but for those who still feel the need to risk meets then its business as usual Andy Burnham said this morning that some pubs in Greater Manchester had not been adhering to the guidelines. Actions speak louder than words Andy, revoke their licences with immediate effect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:14:30 GMT 1
coincidence that another NW based member was too going to visit a family member today but now can't , also complained about could go to a pub instead all we've heard during this corona crisis is why didn't the gov do this and that weeks ago and when they do suddenly bring measures in abruptly the same kind of people are jumping up and down questioning it various peoples lifestyle and habits are playing into the hands of this virus , steps are being taken as too many are 'pronoid' I just pointed out the inconsistency of a situation where I'm not permitted to sit in my daughter's garden but can go to the pub around the corner and sit inside with her. Am I right in thinking that you could go to the same pub as her but if she's not part of your social bubble you cannot interact with her? I was planning to see my daughter (who lives in Sale) this weekend and I'm trying to work out what we can and cannot do now that these new measures have been imposed.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 12:14:31 GMT 1
Millions again being penalised for a selfish minority. what we need is a strict rule to prevent mass gatherings and get the army involved , we are too soft and too PC in this country, its time to get a bit of compliance from those who think its fun to party, litter, rampage, at put lives at risk
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 31, 2020 12:16:12 GMT 1
It's not about a complete lock down at the moment though. It's again introducing certain restrictions to reduce the number of interactions, to help reduce the spread. Stopping home visits may have a bigger impact than stopping people meeting at the pub. I guess it's about limiting social interaction, not stopping it completely. And one has a bigger impact than the other. It may not be a complete lock down but my daughter, who lives in Sale is very angry at the way this announcement was rushed through last night and she is also very disappointed that she cannot come to stay with us over this weekend to celebrate her mum's special birthday. Personally, I agree 100% with my daughter. This has been rushed through and leaves more questions than answers. I have some sympathy with the government, because were they to announce restrictions effective in a few days time the delay could cost thousands of people and potentially lives. We saw this when BJ announced the closure of pubs, the great British public all flocked to them on closing night. What is unacceptable is to announce measures and be unable to properly explain them, it creates confusion, room for personal interpretation and open rebellion. Some of Hancock’s media appearances this morning were embarrassing and add to the feeling they haven’t got a clue. And if people think the government haven’t got a clue, they’ll disregard the instruction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:16:29 GMT 1
Big increases in infections in Altrincham which is a very white town. The local PHE official said the outbreak is among middle class professionals and young people in this area. Anyone who has seen the foodie destination (nearly wrote Mecca, whoops!), Altrincham market during the last 3 weeks or so will have seen the crowds of hipsters shoulder to shoulder at the trestle tables eating their crushed avocado on toast - £9.50, £2.50 extra for a poached egg. Increased infections were sure to follow. I get the comments about Eid, but it’s not the only story. Yep agree its not the only story, but I suspect it is a big one. Like I say gatherings in houses in large groups is the perfect breeding ground for the virus, as far as I'm aware the banning of meeting people in houses is the only restriction thats been put in place?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:23:11 GMT 1
Big increases in infections in Altrincham which is a very white town. The local PHE official said the outbreak is among middle class professionals and young people in this area. Anyone who has seen the foodie destination (nearly wrote Mecca, whoops!), Altrincham market during the last 3 weeks or so will have seen the crowds of hipsters shoulder to shoulder at the trestle tables eating their crushed avocado on toast - £9.50, £2.50 extra for a poached egg. Increased infections were sure to follow. I get the comments about Eid, but it’s not the only story. Yep agree its not the only story, but I suspect it is a big one. Like I say gatherings in houses in large groups is the perfect breeding ground for the virus, as far as I'm aware the banning of meeting people in houses is the only restriction thats been put in place? As it stands, those in Greater Manchester should not: Meet people you do not live with inside a private home or garden, except where you have formed a support bubble. Visit someone else’s home or garden even if they live outside of the affected areas. Socialise with people you do not live with in other indoor public venues – such as pubs, restaurants, cafes. You may attend these venues with people you live with (or are in a support bubble with), but should avoid interaction with others.
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Post by bictonshrew on Jul 31, 2020 12:32:37 GMT 1
This Government are damned if they do and damned if they don't!
Cases were rising in these areas, fact. Government are now taking action.
We've been told all along that if people don't respect the current rules, then these measures could be enforced.
There needs to be a blanket rule or else there would be no end of excuses being given as to why the lockdown shouldn't apply to certain people.
My new slogan would be, "stop moaning, get on with it & the virus will go sooner rather than later"
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2020 12:35:47 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 31, 2020 12:38:40 GMT 1
It's not about a complete lock down at the moment though. It's again introducing certain restrictions to reduce the number of interactions, to help reduce the spread. Stopping home visits may have a bigger impact than stopping people meeting at the pub. I guess it's about limiting social interaction, not stopping it completely. And one has a bigger impact than the other. It may not be a complete lock down but my daughter, who lives in Sale is very angry at the way this announcement was rushed through last night and she is also very disappointed that she cannot come to stay with us over this weekend to celebrate her mum's special birthday. Personally, I agree 100% with my daughter. This has been rushed through and leaves more questions than answers. Well it's certainly not ideal but it was stated some time ago that this maybe required, that regional restrictions maybe put back in place. As for the lead time, again not ideal but things change quickly during a pandemic. They have to firefight as its required. Do rather feel they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Either way some will state that they have rushed this but if they gave more lead time, then they acted too slow. Hope things are back to normal as soon as possible for you and your family anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:38:54 GMT 1
There's nothing racist about looking at the figures and spotting trends. Almost all, if not all the areas in the top 10 have a larger percentage of Pakistani and Bangladeshi residents. The fact that the BAME community are far more likely to die from contracting Covid-19 makes it worse. Is this behavioural, is this something else? Either way, it's a fact, it's happening and it needs addressing. Has someone said it’s racist? These are also (happy to be corrected if I’m wrong) areas of highest socioeconomic deprivation and have been for decades👍 Yep, there's a link between poverty and Covid-19, poor housing, high rents and low paid jobs. www.jrf.org.uk/blog/covid-19-greater-health-risk-people-low-incomes-we-can-give-life-line
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:40:16 GMT 1
This Government are damned if they do and damned if they don't! Cases were rising in these areas, fact. Government are now taking action. We've been told all along that if people don't respect the current rules, then these measures could be enforced. There needs to be a blanket rule or else there would be no end of excuses being given as to why the lockdown shouldn't apply to certain people. My new slogan would be, "stop moaning, get on with it & the virus will go sooner rather than later" But if you are going to announce new measures for a big populated area then at least do it properly, the way that this has been handled is inexcusable.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2020 12:42:06 GMT 1
I have to agree. There won’t be one of us who hasn’t been inconvenienced in some way since March I fear. It’s just the way things are at the moment. Last weekend should have been a big celebration for us - golden wedding - but it wasn’t to be. I am hoping that if all goes well we can celebrate properly next year. But it was sad not to be able to do what we wanted.
The big problem is how to get everyone to realise that the virus hasn’t been beaten yet. Even the wearing of face masks is deemed by some to be ridiculous. It may well turn out to be so but at the moment we don’t know. I for one am heartily sick of others being difficult just for the sake of it because they think it makes them look big. No it doesn’t it makes them look selfish, stupid and just plain nasty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:45:14 GMT 1
I have to agree. There won’t be one of us who hasn’t been inconvenienced in some way since March I fear. It’s just the way things are at the moment. Last weekend should have been a big celebration for us - golden wedding - but it wasn’t to be. I am hoping that if all goes well we can celebrate properly next year. But it was sad not to be able to do what we wanted. The big problem is how to get everyone to realise that the virus hasn’t been beaten yet. Even the wearing of face masks is deemed by some to be ridiculous. It may well turn out to be so but at the moment we don’t know. I for one am heartily sick of others being difficult just for the sake of it because they think it makes them look big. No it doesn’t it makes them look selfish, stupid and just plain nasty. Belated congratulations on your golden wedding. I do hope that the time will come when you can celebrate it in style.
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