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Post by venceremos on Jul 28, 2020 17:21:08 GMT 1
Bournemouth's board reported to be discussing the possibility of legal action over the failure of Hawkeye to award Sheffield United a goal against Villa. One word - don't. Yes, the technology was at fault and it should have been a goal. But who's to say how that would have affected the rest of the match? Villa had the 2nd half to chase the game and might have equalised or even won. And what would have been the effect on the remaining 9 matches Villa had to play? It's illogical and frankly stupid to think you can change one thing retrospectively and everything else will remain unchanged. Life doesn't work like that, everything has consequences. In any case, Bournemouth still had 9 matches left in which to put that injustice right. They weren't good enough to. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 17:38:11 GMT 1
Bournemouth's board reported to be discussing the possibility of legal action over the failure of Hawkeye to award Sheffield United a goal against Villa. One word - don't. Yes, the technology was at fault and it should have been a goal. But who's to say how that would have affected the rest of the match? Villa had the 2nd half to chase the game and might have equalised or even won. And what would have been the effect on the remaining 9 matches Villa had to play? It's illogical and frankly stupid to think you can change one thing retrospectively and everything else will remain unchanged. Life doesn't work like that, everything has consequences. In any case, Bournemouth still had 9 matches left in which to put that injustice right. They weren't good enough to. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916Completely agree . You can imagine clubs the length and breadth looking at instances where they have been hard done by and forming a case to justify their claim not to be relegated or to miss out on promotion or even a Cup win and perhaps greater riches . As you rightly point out they had 9 matches left to play but just weren’t good enough . Tough - time to grow up methinks.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 28, 2020 17:50:49 GMT 1
The current use of VAR is he worst thing to happen to football in a long time. Be very interested to know what percentage of goals are reviewed, regardless of whether they are disallowed or not. Fans and players hardly dare celebrate in case it’s premature. Hope it’s never introduced into League One!
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2020 18:24:34 GMT 1
The current use of VAR is he worst thing to happen to football in a long time. Be very interested to know what percentage of goals are reviewed, regardless of whether they are disallowed or not. Fans and players hardly dare celebrate in case it’s premature. Hope it’s never introduced into League One! As we know only too well.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jul 28, 2020 18:55:59 GMT 1
Interesting article in the I newspaper today on this. The rules clearly state that the referee has the overall responsibility for any decision if the technology is not working. Obviously he thought it was working properly but it was up to the VAR to tell him that their pictures clearly showed it to be behind the line. Somehow they failed to do that but there seem to have been lots of cases where VAR appear to have got it wrong. Bournemouth have not got a hope in hell and would do better to concentrate on getting promotion next season. Despite their low gates they are in the mid table for Premiership spending over the last five years and are bankrolled by a Russian who lives in Switzerland and does not attend their games - make of that what you will.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2020 19:25:12 GMT 1
Bournemouth's board reported to be discussing the possibility of legal action over the failure of Hawkeye to award Sheffield United a goal against Villa. One word - don't. Yes, the technology was at fault and it should have been a goal. But who's to say how that would have affected the rest of the match? Villa had the 2nd half to chase the game and might have equalised or even won. And what would have been the effect on the remaining 9 matches Villa had to play? It's illogical and frankly stupid to think you can change one thing retrospectively and everything else will remain unchanged. Life doesn't work like that, everything has consequences. In any case, Bournemouth still had 9 matches left in which to put that injustice right. They weren't good enough to. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916Completely agree . You can imagine clubs the length and breadth looking at instances where they have been hard done by and forming a case to justify their claim not to be relegated or to miss out on promotion or even a Cup win and perhaps greater riches . As you rightly point out they had 9 matches left to play but just weren’t good enough . Tough - time to grow up methinks. had the goal counted villa would have had most of the game left to push for an equaliser too, instead of hanging on for a draw I cant remember any of the decisions but wasn't villa pretty harshly done by several decisions early in the season bournemouth need to shut up and stop crying sour cherries
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Post by Dancin on Jul 28, 2020 19:31:06 GMT 1
Good luck to them I say worth a punt.
The court costs won't cost as much as they will lose for being relegated
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2020 19:38:21 GMT 1
Good luck to them I say worth a punt. The court costs won't cost as much as they will lose for being relegated or most likely on top of what they will lose
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Post by Dancin on Jul 28, 2020 20:15:18 GMT 1
Good luck to them I say worth a punt. The court costs won't cost as much as they will lose for being relegated or most likely on top of what they will lose What we talking here a few 100Ks compared to the millions to stay in the Premiership?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2020 20:27:54 GMT 1
or most likely on top of what they will lose What we talking here a few 100Ks compared to the millions to stay in the Premiership? its money down the drain
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Post by Dancin on Jul 28, 2020 20:47:54 GMT 1
What we talking here a few 100Ks compared to the millions to stay in the Premiership? its money down the drain Isn't that what most football clubs do now a days?
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Post by theshrews81 on Jul 28, 2020 20:51:08 GMT 1
Tbh I think they have a strong case. If they look to go through the FA it will be covered up. If they go the legal route whilst not knowing the full legal structure of the rules they may have a good chance to find a technicality.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 28, 2020 21:08:20 GMT 1
I can’t see the courts will want to get involved.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jul 28, 2020 21:18:12 GMT 1
Feel sorry for them that such an obvious error has ended up costing them but really this is nothing to do with Hawkeye or var, and really stems from woeful refereeing from all the officials involved. Unlucky, but human error is not something the courts can legislate for, Bournemouth just need to suck it up.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 28, 2020 21:39:02 GMT 1
Tbh I think they have a strong case. If they look to go through the FA it will be covered up. If they go the legal route whilst not knowing the full legal structure of the rules they may have a good chance to find a technicality. The International Football Association Board (Ifab) rules state: "In principle, a match is not invalidated because of: malfunction(s) of the VAR technology (as for goal line technology (GLT))."
Their chances are slim to hopeless and, if they win, the precedent will have been set for a revolving door of legal challenges against costly 'incorrect decisions'. They weren't good enough over 38 games and they weren't good enough to rectify things in the subsequent 9 games. Should Shrewsbury have challenged Gillingham's play off win when a corner was given that clearly should have been a goal kick? No, even though we had no time to get back in the match, we should have defended the corner better. Should we have taken the EFL to court at the end of the season after Wigglesworth awarded Wycombe the ghost goal? No, we had time in the match to turn that around. Both those decisions were wrong and both cost the club dearly. I still wouldn't have wanted a legal challenge though.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 28, 2020 22:05:36 GMT 1
Bournemouth finished with a pathetic 34 points and no legal challenge on a game they weren’t involved in will change that.
Goodbye, close the door on your way out.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2020 22:44:12 GMT 1
Tbh I think they have a strong case. If they look to go through the FA it will be covered up. If they go the legal route whilst not knowing the full legal structure of the rules they may have a good chance to find a technicality. The International Football Association Board (Ifab) rules state: "In principle, a match is not invalidated because of: malfunction(s) of the VAR technology (as for goal line technology (GLT))."
Their chances are slim to hopeless and, if they win, the precedent will have been set for a revolving door of legal challenges against costly 'incorrect decisions'. They weren't good enough over 38 games and they weren't good enough to rectify things in the subsequent 9 games. Should Shrewsbury have challenged Gillingham's play off win when a corner was given that clearly should have been a goal kick? No, even though we had no time to get back in the match, we should have defended the corner better. Should we have taken the EFL to court at the end of the season after Wigglesworth awarded Wycombe the ghost goal? No, we had time in the match to turn that around. Both those decisions were wrong and both cost the club dearly. I still wouldn't have wanted a legal challenge though. No we should have sued Wrigglesworth and the ref for impersonating allegedly qualified match officials!!!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 28, 2020 22:59:19 GMT 1
All the same, but if it helped rid the game of techmology and go back to the referee's decision being final then it's worth doing.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 28, 2020 23:09:14 GMT 1
All the same, but if it helped rid the game of techmology and go back to the referee's decision being final then it's worth doing. if the fa was to put right every wrong decision this season, Man City would be champions again
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 28, 2020 23:10:21 GMT 1
Think Bournemouth should concentrate their efforts on not struggling and slipping right through the Championship and the spiral of "Small Premier club relegated and paying huge wages to average players and causing future financial problems" like a lot of similar sized clubs have done.
That would be my big worry if i were a Bournemouth fan right now.
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Post by blood red shrews on Jul 29, 2020 9:22:44 GMT 1
Do feel bad for Hawkeye isn't it one failure in thousands of uses where it didn't work correctly as it was a freak instance where every angle was covered.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 30, 2020 10:29:07 GMT 1
Bournemouth's board reported to be discussing the possibility of legal action over the failure of Hawkeye to award Sheffield United a goal against Villa. One word - don't. Yes, the technology was at fault and it should have been a goal. But who's to say how that would have affected the rest of the match? Villa had the 2nd half to chase the game and might have equalised or even won. And what would have been the effect on the remaining 9 matches Villa had to play? It's illogical and frankly stupid to think you can change one thing retrospectively and everything else will remain unchanged. Life doesn't work like that, everything has consequences. In any case, Bournemouth still had 9 matches left in which to put that injustice right. They weren't good enough to. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53571916Exactly what I said on Twitter yesterday. Also, how about the VAR penalty decisions that were admitted to be errors afterwards. One of those was the non-award of a penalty for Spurs against Bournemouth. They could just as well have lost the point they gained in that game as Villa could have lost the point they gained v Sheffield Utd for that wrong decision.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jul 30, 2020 13:13:36 GMT 1
Or how about when they overspent to get into that money pit league in the first place with the aquasation of Kelwyn Jones ? All they got was a pultery fine ? Maybe they could mention that to the judge? Personally I say f**k off "little old Bournemouth " and hope you go back to Division four where you belong. Oh. Don't worry though I've got some old buckets in the shed, so I'll hand them out next time we meet.....Again.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 13:58:34 GMT 1
Or how about when they overspent to get into that money pit league in the first place with the aquasation of Kelwyn Jones ? All they got was a pultery fine ? Maybe they could mention that to the judge? Personally I say f**k off "little old Bournemouth " and hope you go back to Division four where you belong. Oh. Don't worry though I've got some old buckets in the shed, so I'll hand them out next time we meet.....Again..... Your very bitter today Londonshrew , having a right go at Bournemouth . I must admit your post did make me laugh and I can’t help but agree with your comments . “ **** Off Little Old Bournemouth “ sums it up nicely .
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