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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 10, 2020 15:04:42 GMT 1
just to throw a spanner in the works according to the gov 2 households could meet indoors so in theory that could be a box at the meadow for a meal but they can't go outside the box, spread out and watch a game there only a matter of time before its announced that limited numbers (STH) are ok but strict facemask rules to apply I reckon in about 2 weeks we'll hear some news what do you say ? Whilst I suspect what you’re saying might come true, there’s absolutely no need for them to decide on something so soon given late August/early September resumption dates.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 10, 2020 15:10:03 GMT 1
just to throw a spanner in the works according to the gov 2 households could meet indoors so in theory that could be a box at the meadow for a meal but they can't go outside the box, spread out and watch a game there only a matter of time before its announced that limited numbers (STH) are ok but strict facemask rules to apply I reckon in about 2 weeks we'll hear some news what do you say ? Whilst I suspect what you’re saying might come true, there’s absolutely no need for them to decide on something so soon given late August/early September resumption dates. I would say the sooner the better for decisions. All clubs can plan accordingly and budget accordingly. If its 2 or 3 weeks before limited number are allowed or the end of the year its not very far away really.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 10, 2020 16:54:17 GMT 1
I would agree that sooner the better for a decision and Im sure Brian Caldwell would agree. There is a lot to organise inside the ground in respect of social distancing for seating and catering. Good that we are discussing the likelihood that a limited crowd could well be allowed.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 13, 2020 9:08:39 GMT 1
Noting this topic has veered into cricket - Johnson’s stance on recreational cricket shows yet again how completely clueless he is. Last week it was the dangerous ‘vector of disease’ that is a cricket ball, now when challenged on that he blusters for twenty seconds before muttering something incomprehensible about teas and changing rooms.
The local cricket boards have known for a long time that any return to recreational cricket would involve players changing at home or in their car, and bringing their own food and drink, so for the prime minister to use this as an excuse is utter b******s. The leagues also know players will have to travel to games alone which has environmental impacts as well as affecting those who can’t drive, so will have smaller regional leagues for what’s left of this season The ECB and local cricket boards have thought of everything and it’s just another example of an out of touch prime minister with no thought for the common man. Instead all these cricketers will likely be at their local clubs tomorrow, just in their bars, which they’re allowed to do. That sums up the absurdity of it all. I trust you noticed that in recreational cricket they have to sanitize the ball every 6 overs, so its obviously not totally in the clear.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 23, 2020 21:55:55 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53521306"Seven coaches and backroom staff at St Mirren have tested positive for Covid-19, prompting the Scottish Premiership to return to twice-weekly testing.
Although no player has tested positive, the Paisley side's planned Saturday friendly at home to St Johnstone has also been cancelled."
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"St Mirren, who start their competitive campaign at home to Livingston on 1 August, last played Hamilton Academical in a friendly on Saturday. "
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 25, 2020 17:05:49 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 25, 2020 17:30:35 GMT 1
Noting this topic has veered into cricket - Johnson’s stance on recreational cricket shows yet again how completely clueless he is. Last week it was the dangerous ‘vector of disease’ that is a cricket ball, now when challenged on that he blusters for twenty seconds before muttering something incomprehensible about teas and changing rooms.
The local cricket boards have known for a long time that any return to recreational cricket would involve players changing at home or in their car, and bringing their own food and drink, so for the prime minister to use this as an excuse is utter b******s. The leagues also know players will have to travel to games alone which has environmental impacts as well as affecting those who can’t drive, so will have smaller regional leagues for what’s left of this season The ECB and local cricket boards have thought of everything and it’s just another example of an out of touch prime minister with no thought for the common man. Instead all these cricketers will likely be at their local clubs tomorrow, just in their bars, which they’re allowed to do. That sums up the absurdity of it all. I trust you noticed that in recreational cricket they have to sanitize the ball every 6 overs, so its obviously not totally in the clear. How long before someone manages to get something a little "abrasive" into the sanitiser?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 26, 2020 14:31:18 GMT 1
a pre season cricket game of Surrey v middlesex had 1,000 fans in a one section of the ground that normally has 4,000 in pre selected seats. if town followed that example we would have about 2,500 fans in the ground.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2020 20:52:47 GMT 1
a pre season cricket game of Surrey v middlesex had 1,000 fans in a one section of the ground that normally has 4,000 in pre selected seats. if town followed that example we would have about 2,500 fans in the ground. I'd actually like to sit in the away end if possible, presumably we won't see away fans for a while its get complicated when you take into consideration families and households could still sit together as a family and you need to know where you are sitting before you arrive or it could be a disaster its going to give someone a headache that's for sure
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 27, 2020 11:34:58 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 28, 2020 6:56:45 GMT 1
there was an item on sky news this morning which discussed the new football season, it claimed full crowds whould not be back in grounds for at least a year and this was dependant on research to look at hte impact of chanting on hte spread of covid-19. if this is the case then there could be a problem; guidlines for churches reopening there will be no choir or singing hymes due to concerns over soreading covid-19 also some reasearch on shouting and droplet dispersal. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/loud-talking-can-leave-thousands-22040152"Researchers at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases in Maryland then studied the images, which showed that loud talkers can release thousands of fluid droplets per second." "These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments," the authors said." few points for me; this reasearch was in a confind space so what is the impact on shouting in open spaces. empty seats between fans could negat that? what is the spread rate of fans shouting /chanting wearing masks in open spaces, you would hope the latter would reduce it significantly as the research already shows wearing masks changes the size of droplets. so not all doom and gloom they just need the reasearch to confirm these points.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 28, 2020 7:53:15 GMT 1
there was an item on sky news this morning which discussed the new football season, it claimed full crowds whould not be back in grounds for at least a year and this was dependant on research to look at hte impact of chanting on hte spread of covid-19. if this is the case then there could be a problem; guidlines for churches reopening there will be no choir or singing hymes due to concerns over soreading covid-19 also some reasearch on shouting and droplet dispersal. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/loud-talking-can-leave-thousands-22040152"Researchers at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases in Maryland then studied the images, which showed that loud talkers can release thousands of fluid droplets per second." "These observations confirm that there is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments," the authors said." few points for me; this reasearch was in a confind space so what is the impact on shouting in open spaces. empty seats between fans could negat that? what is the spread rate of fans shouting /chanting wearing masks in open spaces, you would hope the latter would reduce it significantly as the research already shows wearing masks changes the size of droplets. so not all doom and gloom they just need the reasearch to confirm these points. The draft document I posted a few days ago mentions that singing and shouting should be discouraged in stadiums.
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Post by salop18 on Jul 28, 2020 7:58:20 GMT 1
Doesn’t look like full capacity stadiums next season then, so how do they go about deciding who gets to go?
Personally I think all season ticket holders (obviously), then any left other seats should be given first refusal to NHS/care/key workers in that order who have worked continuously throughout the pandemic.
How will the club go about it do we think?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 28, 2020 8:22:52 GMT 1
a pre season cricket game of Surrey v middlesex had 1,000 fans in a one section of the ground that normally has 4,000 in pre selected seats. if town followed that example we would have about 2,500 fans in the ground. 2,500 would likely be the top end it very much depends how many "social bubbles" / families go (guidlines say up to 6 people can go as a bubble) as opposed to individual fans. At the cricket they only used alternate rows and there were 2 empty seats between each group/individual.
Worst case scenario where everyone is an individual. Assume 9000 seats, take out alternate rows leaves 4,500 usable seats. 1 person in effect needs 3 seats so that is 1,500 fans, if everyone goes as a pair then it is 2,250. One thing is certain it's gonna test the ability of the ticketdisaster system!!!
The document also talks about zones around stadiums, concourses, routes in/out of stadiums, capacity of public transport, security to prevent fans w/o tickets getting near the stadiums, cashless payments, restricting/banning sale of merchandice & programmes.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 28, 2020 9:10:55 GMT 1
a pre season cricket game of Surrey v middlesex had 1,000 fans in a one section of the ground that normally has 4,000 in pre selected seats. if town followed that example we would have about 2,500 fans in the ground. 2,500 would likely be the top end it very much depends how many "social bubbles" / families go (guidlines say up to 6 people can go as a bubble) as opposed to individual fans. At the cricket they only used alternate rows and there were 2 empty seats between each group/individual.
Worst case scenario where everyone is an individual. Assume 9000 seats, take out alternate rows leaves 4,500 usable seats. 1 person in effect needs 3 seats so that is 1,500 fans, if everyone goes as a pair then it is 2,250. One thing is certain it's gonna test the ability of the ticketdisaster system!!!
The document also talks about zones around stadiums, concourses, routes in/out of stadiums, capacity of public transport, security to prevent fans w/o tickets getting near the stadiums, cashless payments, restricting/banning sale of merchandice & programmes.
a real headache for the clubs all of which means a drop in income so the club really need to improve the online service from the shop.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2020 9:27:20 GMT 1
Doesn’t look like full capacity stadiums next season then, so how do they go about deciding who gets to go? Personally I think all season ticket holders (obviously), then any left over seats should be given first refusal to NHS/care/key workers in that order who have worked continuously throughout the pandemic. How will they club go about it do we think? Mind you we might think key workers, etc., have suffered enough already!!!!!
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 28, 2020 9:44:21 GMT 1
Doesn’t look like full capacity stadiums next season then, so how do they go about deciding who gets to go? Personally I think all season ticket holders (obviously), then any left over seats should be given first refusal to NHS/care/key workers in that order who have worked continuously throughout the pandemic. How will they club go about it do we think? Would seem very unlikely I'll get to see Salop much , if at all, next season. Living in exile I tend to do more away games in the "south" and I would guess majority of clubs won't be allowing any away fans. When I go to home games I normally travel by car with a couple a mates from different households so that is a non-starter for now at least!
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2020 9:59:41 GMT 1
What are the travel restrictions re cars? We travel in a car with our son but he is in a different household so this could affect us too.
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Post by suttonshrew on Jul 28, 2020 10:41:06 GMT 1
At the moment everything is up in the air until we get some firm guidance from the government and EFL. We will keep everyone updated as and when we have details but there’s no point speculating as new guidance may change everything.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 28, 2020 11:11:20 GMT 1
Dont think Town will be looking beyond season ticket holders only this year
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 28, 2020 12:32:34 GMT 1
Doesn’t look like full capacity stadiums next season then, so how do they go about deciding who gets to go? Personally I think all season ticket holders (obviously), then any left over seats should be given first refusal to NHS/care/key workers in that order who have worked continuously throughout the pandemic. How will they club go about it do we think? Mind you we might think key workers, etc., have suffered enough already!!!!! Come on, its not like we are asking them to go and watch the likes of Wrexham or Telford is it 😁
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 31, 2020 17:26:59 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2020 18:58:31 GMT 1
Looks like BC's suggestion that League Matches should start in October was spot on. Shame the other Clubs didn't listen.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:47 GMT 1
Honestly, right now I can't see fans going at all next season.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 1, 2020 8:06:31 GMT 1
Honestly, right now I can't see fans going at all next season. I fear that you’re right, in which case I can see League One and Two clubs going semi- professional to keep in business.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 4, 2020 8:31:55 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 4, 2020 9:28:39 GMT 1
Honestly, right now I can't see fans going at all next season. Thankfully I think its too early to tell but its certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. So many opinions about what is happening at the moment, suggestions for example that the high number of cases in some parts of the country are still the first wave petering out rather than some rebound. So who knows. But for the clubs and everyone involved in getting the football going again this must be an absolute nightmare, a real headache. Because even if things are settled and we are all set and good to go, we know that everything can change at the drop of a hat. Literally from one day to the next. So, so much to consider and not only when looking to staging games but what the hell happens if something comes along that disrupts it all (there is a club here in the Kickers division where 19 players were tested positive, that's the sort of thing that can just come about and throw everything to the wind). Hats off to all those who are picking their way through all this. Its a job and a half.
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 4, 2020 10:29:25 GMT 1
Anyone know when next seasons fixtures will be published. Thought it was end of this week
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Post by scooter on Aug 4, 2020 10:55:36 GMT 1
Looks like BC's suggestion that League Matches should start in October was spot on. Shame the other Clubs didn't listen. Tranmere agreed. Tweet from Nicola Palios
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Post by scooter on Aug 4, 2020 10:58:31 GMT 1
Anyone know when next seasons fixtures will be published. Thought it was end of this week I was searching yesterday, and there doesn’t seem to be a date. Just a statement that it would be as soon as they could, or words to that effect
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