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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 28, 2020 8:21:52 GMT 1
no suprise what a bunch of idiots
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 28, 2020 8:36:51 GMT 1
If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I doubt we would be seeing people heading to the beach or the like because people would still deem it too dangerous to do so. I think what we are now seeing is people looking to get back to some sort of normality because they have now taken the view that its safe to do so (or rather that the risks are no longer as high as they were).
It was made clear at the start of things that measures could not be put in place indefinitely, that's why there was so much talk at the time of getting the timing right. Because at some point complacency and fatigue will set in and people will start to go about things normally again (more so once they deem the risks are at a level they are willing to chance). That's where we are now. People see that the number of cases are receding, the number of deaths are receding, they see who is overwhelming impacted by the virus...and with that they are now willing to take chances that they wouldn't have done earlier. That's why we are seeing packed beaches. If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I don't think people would be acting as they now are.
That's why I don't see this as people thinking they can get away with this because they think someone else has done so. Its just that they now think the risks are at a level they are willing to chance. Otherwise they wouldn't be there despite what others might have got away with. Whether it will come back to bite they in the arse who knows but I think its inevitable that people will now be looking to get things back to some normality.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 28, 2020 8:39:43 GMT 1
unfoertently parts of Wales seem to be going backwards as new cases crop up; www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-heat-maps-shows-people-18496452"New heat maps show a big rise in some North Wales coronavirus infection rates over the last week, following outbreaks at two food factories. Data released by Public Health Wales (PHW) showed how people are still contracting the infection, across the region's six counties. Over the last week, Gwynedd has increased to a rate of 429.5 infected per 100,000 people, up from 391.8; Anglesey's numbers have risen to 525.4 from 419.7; and Conwy has increased from 529.8 to 649. Denbighshire still has the highest level of infection in Wales at 743, which has risen from 725.2; Wrexham has risen from 475.9 to 582.5; and Flintshire has increased to 331.8 from 319." cases of covid-19 in three meat plants two in Angelsey and one in Wrexham are factors in this but not what we wont to see. Wales has slowly increased its testing capacity and this might be another factor in identifying more cases. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53203315"Rhun ap Iorwerth MS, Plaid Cymru's health spokesperson and Member of the Senedd for Ynys Môn, said the outbreak of cases at the 2 Sisters meat processing plant in his constituency was a "very good reason why we need the tests to come back quickly". "We need those test results back quickly in order for the tracing teams to be able to get their work going so they can trace the contacts of people who have tested positive," he said. "Unless you can get on top of the virus and on top of outbreaks quickly, you are tying both hands behind your back and making it very, very difficult for yourselves to control and, hopefully, stamp out outbreak"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 28, 2020 8:41:43 GMT 1
If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I doubt we would be seeing people heading to the beach or the like because people would still deem it too dangerous to do so. I think what we are now seeing is people looking to get back to some sort of normality because they have now taken the view that its safe to do so (or rather that the risks are no longer as high as they were). It was made clear at the start of things that measures could not be put in place indefinitely, that's why there was so much talk at the time of getting the timing right. Because at some point complacency and fatigue will set in and people will start to go about things normally again (more so once they deem the risks are at a level they are willing to chance). That's where we are now. People see that the number of cases are receding, the number of deaths are receding, they see who is overwhelming impacted by the virus...and with that they are now willing to take chances that they wouldn't have done earlier. That's why we are seeing packed beaches. If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I don't think people would be acting as they now are. That's why I don't see this as people thinking they can get away with this because they think someone else has done so. Its just that they now think the risks are at a level they are willing to chance. Otherwise they wouldn't be there despite what others might have got away with. Whether it will come back to bite they in the arse who knows but I think its inevitable that people will now be looking to get things back to some normality. people have lockdown fatigue but that does excuse stupidity or a lack of planning by the goverment to minimise the risks.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 28, 2020 9:02:30 GMT 1
If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I doubt we would be seeing people heading to the beach or the like because people would still deem it too dangerous to do so. I think what we are now seeing is people looking to get back to some sort of normality because they have now taken the view that its safe to do so (or rather that the risks are no longer as high as they were). It was made clear at the start of things that measures could not be put in place indefinitely, that's why there was so much talk at the time of getting the timing right. Because at some point complacency and fatigue will set in and people will start to go about things normally again (more so once they deem the risks are at a level they are willing to chance). That's where we are now. People see that the number of cases are receding, the number of deaths are receding, they see who is overwhelming impacted by the virus...and with that they are now willing to take chances that they wouldn't have done earlier. That's why we are seeing packed beaches. If there was still a huge risk from the virus then I don't think people would be acting as they now are. That's why I don't see this as people thinking they can get away with this because they think someone else has done so. Its just that they now think the risks are at a level they are willing to chance. Otherwise they wouldn't be there despite what others might have got away with. Whether it will come back to bite they in the arse who knows but I think its inevitable that people will now be looking to get things back to some normality. a lack of planning by the goverment to minimise the risks. Can't argue with that. That has been the running theme throughout this whole pandemic, a government playing catch up. A complete lack of planning and preparedness.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 28, 2020 9:04:45 GMT 1
This is true and if they are like this with the biggest disaster we have had to face for years, what confidence can we have in their actions for future events. It’s all very worrying.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 28, 2020 9:16:53 GMT 1
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-leicester/uk-considers-locking-down-leicester-after-covid-19-spike-sunday-times-idUKKBN23Z02J"(Reuters) - The British government is considering imposing a lockdown in the city of Leicester after a surge of coronavirus cases there, the Sunday Times newspaper reported, citing senior government sources. Health Secretary Matt Hancock is examining a legislation required for the shutdown after it was disclosed that Leicester, a city of around 350,000 people in the East Midlands, has had over 650 COVID-19 cases in the fortnight to June 16, the newspaper reported. Hancock is considering "all options", including imposing a localised lockdown," the sun ( not a paper i like but it has this aditional bit of information) "The Midlands is on red alert as worried officials believe the Leicester cases could have a big impact on people travelling to Birmingham. There had been 658 cases in the area in the two weeks up to June 16."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 9:16:57 GMT 1
The problem with the beaches is people arent actually doing anything wrong. The beaches are open, people can travel, they can meet outside in small groups, the weather is nice, people have free time due to furlough so of course they will head to the beach (or other outdoor areas)
Common sense is of course thinking 'it is likely to be busy so I'll avoid it' but a lot of people clearly don't think like that, and it will be exactly the same next Saturday for the pubs reopening. It's easy to criticise but the rules allow it and it's human nature to want to return to things you enjoy
Again though for me its a mess caused by mixed messages 'things are open, you can travel to places, people can come............... but actually not too many'. Therefore who decides who can or cannot go?
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 28, 2020 9:26:06 GMT 1
Agreed. It’s all so airy fairy. Nothing is clear cut. Relying on people’s common sense is ridiculous and they should have known that. They tried it right at the beginning and it failed. That’s why they had to introduce the lock down.
Boris wants to be popular and nothing else matters. I’m sick of the lot of them.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 28, 2020 10:47:52 GMT 1
I always expected an ANPR camera on the way to the seaside towns and designated days for designated registrationss, or some such crowd limiter. Boris isn't a details man so they just get opened up.
If Sunak was at the top of his game he might have instigated a national lottery to win tickets to be allowed to the beach to get some of the spending back - just a thought.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 28, 2020 15:46:08 GMT 1
I always expected an ANPR camera on the way to the seaside towns and designated days for designated registrationss, or some such crowd limiter. Boris isn't a details man so they just get opened up. If Sunak was at the top of his game he might have instigated a national lottery to win tickets to be allowed to the beach tio get some of the spending back - just a thought. Nah. They can give that gambling contract to Desmond.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 29, 2020 10:06:11 GMT 1
Agreed. It’s all so airy fairy. Nothing is clear cut. Relying on people’s common sense is ridiculous and they should have known that. They tried it right at the beginning and it failed. That’s why they had to introduce the lock down. Boris wants to be popular and nothing else matters. I’m sick of the lot of them. what a large % of the population have shown that without clear guidlines & systems in place and no monitoring. they cant be relied on to have any common sense at all.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 29, 2020 23:28:28 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jun 30, 2020 14:19:54 GMT 1
Boris's speech today:
Yet more ludicrous metaphors and garbled phrases that he thinks sound clever but actually turn off most of the audience who just think it’s ..
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Post by northwestman on Jun 30, 2020 16:49:11 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 30, 2020 18:27:26 GMT 1
and we have other cities on amber level and are been monitored because people behave like covid-19 had gone. the good news is that overall deaths are back to an average number.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 30, 2020 20:12:07 GMT 1
and we have other cities on amber level and are been monitored because people behave like covid-19 had gone. the good news is that overall deaths are back to an average number. There are some people who behave like idiots, however, you'd be forgiven for thinking things are going back to normal given the messages going out. For example, most things will be open from Saturday - ludicrous that they've picked a Saturday which means packed pubs - all the government messaging is about the economy and getting back on track, daily briefings have disappeared and even today Boris did a press conference to announce future economic plans. Where is the caution? Also does anyone actually have a proper idea what the rules for pubs are now?? And the other thing is that the data that is publicly available on testing doesn't show there is an issue, because it's missing out the testing data from commercial labs which now makes up the majority of tests. Even local authorities aren't getting this. What a complete **** up
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2020 20:25:53 GMT 1
I know they like the 3 word phrase to not confuse their voters, but today's takes the biscuit - "Build build build". How about trying the 3 word phrase "Get it right!"
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2020 20:35:44 GMT 1
and we have other cities on amber level and are been monitored because people behave like covid-19 had gone. the good news is that overall deaths are back to an average number. There are some people who behave like idiots, however, you'd be forgiven for thinking things are going back to normal given the messages going out. For example, most things will be open from Saturday - ludicrous that they've picked a Saturday which means packed pubs - all the government messaging is about the economy and getting back on track, daily briefings have disappeared and even today Boris did a press conference to announce future economic plans. Where is the caution? Also does anyone actually have a proper idea what the rules for pubs are now?? the rules are simple , go out and spend your money , try not to catch covid, but dont worry if you do, we now have some beds spare and the morques are ready and waiting too
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2020 22:32:47 GMT 1
I see the usa have had record numbers of daily new cases of the virus
we recently watched them rioting and protesting
and then we copied them
watch our figures start rising again
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2020 23:48:10 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 1, 2020 8:00:05 GMT 1
Boris didn’t want to draw comparisons with Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal, though if others did, he wasn’t going to complain. Only FDR had spent 40% of US GDP on a whole load of job creation schemes, while Boris was stumping up the princely sum of 0.2% of UK GDP. Or £5bn of old money that had already been promised in the March budget. As so often with Boris, his whole speech was based on a lie. He was acting as if he was announcing something new when the money had already been accounted for. John Crace. The Guardian.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 1, 2020 8:21:56 GMT 1
Here we go. The blame game has started. No doubt the scientists will be next.
'Public Health England's (PHE) future has been thrown into doubt after the Prime Minister suggested that parts of the Government's response to the coronavirus crisis had been "sluggish".
In a speech ahead of the country's 100th day in lockdown, Boris Johnson described his frustration at failing to quickly confront elements of the pandemic as being "like a recurring bad dream".
He did not name PHE, but Whitehall sources indicated on Tuesday night that they believed the Prime Minister was referring to the agency, after he had privately criticised its response in meetings with Conservative MPs.
The quango is responsible for testing, and the decision to abandon widespread tracking of the virus as it began to spread is regarded by most scientists as the key mistake in Britain's handling of the pandemic, which has led to the country recording the highest number of deaths in Europe.
Whitehall sources said PHE had been "too slow" in its responses and forced the government to take over some of its functions and set up new bodies. Sources said the test and trace service had to be taken out of PHE's hands, while the Joint Biosecurity Centre, which determines the Covid alert level, had been set up specifically to do a job PHE should have been doing.
PHE was blamed for holding back the government's testing programme by refusing offers of help from private laboratories and insisting on doing testing in-house, and then ending the test and trace programme which had been so successful in other countries. It was also criticised for its handling of antibody testing and shared the blame for the chaotic quarantine policy'.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 1, 2020 9:46:02 GMT 1
Bradford and Oldham are on a Government “watch list” of places where local lockdowns could be required if more targeted measures fail to get to grips with fresh coronavirus spikes, The Telegraph understands.
After Leicester on Tuesday became the first city in the UK to have measures reimposed, there is now mounting concern over areas in the Midlands and North with large minority populations.
Whitehall insiders confirmed that Bradford, the city with the second highest rate of infection after Leicester, was being closely monitored along with a number of other towns deemed to be at risk.
According to Public Health England data, Bradford, Barnsley, Rochdale and Oldham are the four areas after Leicester with the highest number of cases.
It is thought that some of the UK’s most diverse towns and cities are particularly vulnerable to flare-ups due to higher numbers of households with multiple generations living under one roof.
Poverty, language barriers, higher levels of non-compliance with lockdown measures and potential outbreaks in food processing plants and factories are also believed to be contributing factors.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 1, 2020 10:01:16 GMT 1
If you have given up on the NHS and want an immediate scan or op, don't bother trying to pay for it via private health. The NHS has co-opted these hospitals and they are now off-limits as well, just in case they are needed for the "tsunami" of Covid-19 patients initially anticipated as a result of Imperial's report.
In reality, the overwhelming number of deaths have been in hospitals and the care homes which were filled with 25,000 untested (and tested) older persons kicked out of hospital to make way for the anticipated tsunami of Covid-19 patients.
There HAS to be an inquiry into the total madness and catastrophic errors made by this utter shambles of a government which has isolated the healthy and virtually immune, whilst inflicting the virus on the old and vulnerable - and destroying our economy to boot, whilst making up scores of intrusive new laws.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 1, 2020 10:17:38 GMT 1
If you have given up on the NHS and want an immediate scan or op, don't bother trying to pay for it via private health. The NHS has co-opted these hospitals and they are now off-limits as well, just in case they are needed for the "tsunami" of Covid-19 patients initially anticipated as a result of Imperial's report. In reality, the overwhelming number of deaths have been in hospitals and the care homes which were filled with 25,000 untested (and tested) older persons kicked out of hospital to make way for the anticipated tsunami of Covid-19 patients. There HAS to be an inquiry into the total madness and catastrophic errors made by this utter shambles of a government which has isolated the healthy and virtually immune, whilst inflicting the virus on the old and vulnerable - and destroying our economy to boot, whilst making up scores of intrusive new laws. wait for the inevitable whitewash and public health england will be used as a scapegoat as we all know no one from the goverment will admit anything or resign as that would rquire somone with principles.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 1, 2020 10:27:31 GMT 1
the Mail considering the mess the US is in you cant blame Trump doing this, with a course of treatment now costing £2,000 this drug is one of the few to have beeen shown to be effective in reducing moratality rates. when you are in the hands of private companies you are going to be vunerable to them jacking up prices, there is ample proof of how pharmacitical companies do this,also if you are relient on foreign compasnies to supply crtical drugs you are making yourself vunerbal to supplies been stoped or other issues;all of which comes back to somthing i feel strongly about we need a state owened pharamuctical company supplying key medications for the uk which would remove these problems. when for example you are relient on one country to produce 60% of your insulin it really is a cse of having all your eggs in one basket.
"Business minister Nadhim Zahawi criticised the US decision to buy up remdesivir Discussing the deal, Mr Zahawi told Sky News: 'It's much better to work together' Trump administration has secured 500,000 doses of remdesivir, reports claim This makes up the entire global supply for July and 90 per cent until October Crucial drug could consequently be unavailable for Covid-19 patients in the UK"
as usual the special relationship is a one way street
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 1, 2020 11:01:50 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-wrexham-cases-spike-north-18513005it makes no sense that England and Wales have two different ways of counting cases.it would seem that Wales has been more treansparent and cases in England may be higher than offical figuers suggest "In recent days, it has not made sense that local authorities in Wales appear to have had the biggest rise in coronavirus cases while England has been locking down Leicester again." "Yet an investigation by the Financial Times has revealed this is largely because England has been publishing the wrong data. Its reporters have shown that the figures being published for the English council areas "contain only a fraction of the real total in those areas". England is only including the results of one type of test in the data it is publishing for local authorities - the number of positive tests recorded in hospitals. In its rolling total for each local authority, Wales includes both the results of these tests (called pillar one) results but also the results of tests done in commercial labs (so called pillar two), according to the UK Government website. However the Public Health Wales dashboard shows there are a smaller number of cases, 896 positives compared to a total of more than 15,000, from English testing labs that aren't yet incorporated into the datasets. In the last two months, the vast majority of the tests done in England have been in pillar two - yet they haven't been counted in the local data."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 1, 2020 11:05:27 GMT 1
"Airline Ryanair is running flights from Cardiff Airport this Friday, despite being asked by the Welsh Government to cancel them."
"It is the first phase of a planned return of commercial flights at the airport.
But the Welsh Government still has a legal five mile restriction for non essential travel in place, and said it had asked the airline to cancel the flights.
But on Thursday morning, the budget airline said the flights were going ahead as planned on Friday and Saturday.
A spokesman said: "We are operating normally on 3 and 4 July with hundreds of Welsh people travelling home from countries with lower ‘R rates’ than the UK."
The welsh assembly should be given the powers to stop them.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 1, 2020 11:17:07 GMT 1
"Airline Ryanair is running flights from Cardiff Airport this Friday, despite being asked by the Welsh Government to cancel them." "It is the first phase of a planned return of commercial flights at the airport. But the Welsh Government still has a legal five mile restriction for non essential travel in place, and said it had asked the airline to cancel the flights. But on Thursday morning, the budget airline said the flights were going ahead as planned on Friday and Saturday. A spokesman said: "We are operating normally on 3 and 4 July with hundreds of Welsh people travelling home from countries with lower ‘R rates’ than the UK." The welsh assembly should be given the powers to stop them. do they run an East Midlands to Cardiff flight ?
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