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Post by Valerioch on May 10, 2020 15:55:03 GMT 1
Spot on People love blaming the government saying their messaging hasn’t been clear. Don’t get me wrong this mornings slogan is a disaster. But from day 1 of “lockdown”, they can’t have been clearer. Stay home, unless once a day exercise, unless once a week essential shop, unless an emergency/prescription run It’s really not that hard. People blame s**te messaging as an excuse to be pricks and break the rules. They know who they are, hopefully karma will get them one day How is today’s slogan a disaster? Because they have turned a very clear message of “stay home” in to one full of questions and unknowns and loopholes people will exploit. What does stay alert mean? How do we control the virus? The fact we have to ask questions show it’s a s**te slogan. The fact the number 10 press office have whirred in to action after this mornings backlash shows they know exactly how poor it is. Remember, a significant minority of morons can’t even understand the STAY HOME message. How on earth will they know what “STAY ALERT” means. Personally speaking nothing will change in this latest batch of 3 weeks In how i behave. However I worry many will clutch as this change to take advantage and put us back to square one
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 10, 2020 15:56:26 GMT 1
Stay alert. Classic Conservative Party ideology - you're on your own. The messaging couldn't be clearer. Until the new cases and new deaths are down below the levels before lockdown there is no excuse for this.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 16:00:36 GMT 1
How is today’s slogan a disaster? Because they have turned a very clear message of “stay home” in to one full of questions and unknowns and loopholes people will exploit. What does stay alert mean? How do we control the virus? The fact we have to ask questions show it’s a s**te slogan. The fact the number 10 press office have whirred in to action after this mornings backlash shows they know exactly how poor it is. Remember, a significant minority of morons can’t even understand the STAY HOME message. How on earth will they know what “STAY ALERT” means. Personally speaking nothing will change in this latest batch of 3 weeks In how i behave. However I worry many will clutch as this change to take advantage and put us back to square one It will be explained tonight I am sure, but to pre determine it’s a disaster without explanation is a bit short sighted..... suppose the media have done what they wanted
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 10, 2020 16:31:05 GMT 1
Because they have turned a very clear message of “stay home” in to one full of questions and unknowns and loopholes people will exploit. What does stay alert mean? How do we control the virus? The fact we have to ask questions show it’s a s**te slogan. The fact the number 10 press office have whirred in to action after this mornings backlash shows they know exactly how poor it is. Remember, a significant minority of morons can’t even understand the STAY HOME message. How on earth will they know what “STAY ALERT” means. Personally speaking nothing will change in this latest batch of 3 weeks In how i behave. However I worry many will clutch as this change to take advantage and put us back to square one It will be explained tonight I am sure, but to pre determine it’s a disaster without explanation is a bit short sighted..... suppose the media have done what they wanted But it shouldn't need explaining tonight. It should either have been totally clear or it should only have been launched at the time where someone could explain what it meant, to have a day of uncertainty isn't helpful
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 16:39:53 GMT 1
It will be explained tonight I am sure, but to pre determine it’s a disaster without explanation is a bit short sighted..... suppose the media have done what they wanted But it shouldn't need explaining tonight. It should either have been totally clear or it should only have been launched at the time where someone could explain what it meant, to have a day of uncertainty isn't helpful Well it appears quite a simple slogan to me, and the tweet from the government explains it, but I can also determine when I can have a bath, change my underpants and sox.... but that’s also common sense, and it gives people something to gripe again....
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Post by Valerioch on May 10, 2020 16:48:36 GMT 1
But it shouldn't need explaining tonight. It should either have been totally clear or it should only have been launched at the time where someone could explain what it meant, to have a day of uncertainty isn't helpful Well it appears quite a simple slogan to me, and the tweet from the government explains it, but I can also determine when I can have a bath, change my underpants and sox.... but that’s also common sense, and it gives people something to gripe again.... I do agree with what you’re saying, but I also know how dim witted some people in this nation of ours can be. As I said if they can’t/won’t understand stay at home, there’s no chance now is there
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2020 16:48:58 GMT 1
There are a mere 315 new cases in Germany today, and yet you've got people claiming that releasing the country out of lockdown was a mistake! www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676Likewise, Sweden is ticking along quite nicely. Only 5 deaths today, just over 3,000 overall, and well short of the 40,000 predicted if Ferguson's modelling had been adopted.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2020 17:43:52 GMT 1
What sort of idiot queues outside a tip for hours? It can't be that desperate to offload rubbish surely? The sort of idiot that has the minutes of the COBRA meetings to dispose of - the bits where questions were asked like "Where's Boris?" The sort of idiot with tons of faulty ppe to dispose of. The sort of idiot with ventilators to re-cycle.
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2020 17:45:15 GMT 1
What sort of idiot queues outside a tip for hours? It can't be that desperate to offload rubbish surely? the majority of times you dont have to queue at all, I hardly ever have had to queue, but some days it seems a lot have had the same idea this makes them idiots ? dear o dear not sure if you've ever loaded your car up with junk that's been bugging you here and there for months you get to the tip and there is a queue, out of all the options available, the last one on my list would be turn around, go back home and unload it all again you need to get out more ;-)
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 10, 2020 18:09:20 GMT 1
But it shouldn't need explaining tonight. It should either have been totally clear or it should only have been launched at the time where someone could explain what it meant, to have a day of uncertainty isn't helpful Well it appears quite a simple slogan to me, and the tweet from the government explains it, but I can also determine when I can have a bath, change my underpants and sox.... but that’s also common sense, and it gives people something to gripe again.... Well that's you. I won't be changing my behaviour and will carry on staying in as I have the last few weeks, but some people won't, some because they aren't too bright, and some because their bosses will expect them to if things are relaxed. If you are in charge of the country you have to look after everyone
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 18:32:38 GMT 1
This slogan stuff is classic media/social media in the sense that people are jumping on a bandwagon before giving anyone a chance to explain, I'm assuming it was leaked rather than officially released? To me the message is quite straightforward based on the fact they are trying to open the country up but we arent going back to 'normal'. It is encouraging those people who can stop at home to do so and for those that cant, be aware that this hasnt gone away, hence the 'stay alert'.
However saying that, I'm sure the much anticipated speech shortly will be classic Boris in the sense of him saying a hell of a lot and people will be more confused.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 18:35:56 GMT 1
Well it appears quite a simple slogan to me, and the tweet from the government explains it, but I can also determine when I can have a bath, change my underpants and sox.... but that’s also common sense, and it gives people something to gripe again.... Well that's you. I won't be changing my behaviour and will carry on staying in as I have the last few weeks, but some people won't, some because they aren't too bright, and some because their bosses will expect them to if things are relaxed. If you are in charge of the country you have to look after everyone And well done.... but if you do have to venture out.... stay alert, there is a killer virus out there....
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Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2020 19:32:04 GMT 1
Well that's you. I won't be changing my behaviour and will carry on staying in as I have the last few weeks, but some people won't, some because they aren't too bright, and some because their bosses will expect them to if things are relaxed. If you are in charge of the country you have to look after everyone And well done.... but if you do have to venture out.... stay alert, there is a killer virus out there.... So do all employees go to work tomorrow, why announce something like that Sunday evening? Can the self emloyed start work? What if your work is customer facing? What about the hairdressers, etc? How are the police going to deal with it? They will have increased fines, but not much they could fine you for - mainly being out while coughing and spluttering or meeting to party at close quarters?
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2020 19:46:45 GMT 1
And well done.... but if you do have to venture out.... stay alert, there is a killer virus out there.... So do all employees go to work tomorrow, why announce something like that Sunday evening? Can the self emloyed start work? What if your work is customer facing? What about the hairdressers, etc? How are the police going to deal with it? They will have increased fines, but not much they could fine you for - mainly being out while coughing and spluttering or meeting to party at close quarters? judging by the length of most peoples hair at the moment, it would be ok for hairdressers just to give quotes for the time being
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 19:58:47 GMT 1
And well done.... but if you do have to venture out.... stay alert, there is a killer virus out there.... So do all employees go to work tomorrow, why announce something like that Sunday evening? Can the self emloyed start work? What if your work is customer facing? What about the hairdressers, etc? How are the police going to deal with it? They will have increased fines, but not much they could fine you for - mainly being out while coughing and spluttering or meeting to party at close quarters? If your employer can be Covid safe then yes, if you are self employed and not a shop, you have always been able to go to work, and weather customer facing or not, if you can maintain social distance then feel free, but don’t overload transport system, so walk if you can..... hair dressers, well can you cut hair from 2m away or wear PPE, if so, clip away till your hearts content.....but very little has changed, and he will set out the detail in Parliament tomorrow.... you can even ask him direct tomorrow night. As for coughing and spluttering whilst out, do you think that is sensible in the current climate, I don’t, so common sense would tell me to self isolate..... not really that difficult.... will be interested in the fines though.... stumped me there!!
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 10, 2020 20:18:24 GMT 1
So do all employees go to work tomorrow, why announce something like that Sunday evening? Can the self emloyed start work? What if your work is customer facing? What about the hairdressers, etc? How are the police going to deal with it? They will have increased fines, but not much they could fine you for - mainly being out while coughing and spluttering or meeting to party at close quarters? If your employer can be Covid safe then yes, if you are self employed and not a shop, you have always been able to go to work, and weather customer facing or not, if you can maintain social distance then feel free, but don’t overload transport system, so walk if you can..... hair dressers, well can you cut hair from 2m away or wear PPE, if so, clip away till your hearts content.....but very little has changed, and he will set out the detail in Parliament tomorrow.... you can even ask him direct tomorrow night. As for coughing and spluttering whilst out, do you think that is sensible in the current climate, I don’t, so common sense would tell me to self isolate..... not really that difficult.... will be interested in the fines though.... stumped me there!! How do employees know whether their employers workplaces will be COVID safe in 12 hours?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 20:21:19 GMT 1
If your employer can be Covid safe then yes, if you are self employed and not a shop, you have always been able to go to work, and weather customer facing or not, if you can maintain social distance then feel free, but don’t overload transport system, so walk if you can..... hair dressers, well can you cut hair from 2m away or wear PPE, if so, clip away till your hearts content.....but very little has changed, and he will set out the detail in Parliament tomorrow.... you can even ask him direct tomorrow night. As for coughing and spluttering whilst out, do you think that is sensible in the current climate, I don’t, so common sense would tell me to self isolate..... not really that difficult.... will be interested in the fines though.... stumped me there!! How do employees know whether their employers workplaces will be COVID safe in 12 hours? Well personally, I would wait until contacted by my employer, to ensure this was the case, but if pro active, and not work shy, I may even phone them up and enquire, I certainly would not jump on the bus and presume....... what about you? Who writes your daily to do list? Clean your teeth, go toilet?
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Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2020 20:28:53 GMT 1
Biggest problem I can foresee is a couple, both working, with children. The schools won't be open, don't suppose the nurseries will be. Can't take the kids to granny to look after. So you have to hope for very considerare employers.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 10, 2020 21:01:04 GMT 1
There should be no relaxation of the lockdown whilst the number of new cases and deaths per day.are multiples of the figures when lockdown started. Johnson needs to sober up and take responsibility. On the matter of returning to work Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 refers: link
Unite has produced this checklist: linkFinally join a union. Thousands have over the last few weeks.
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Post by salop27 on May 10, 2020 21:37:46 GMT 1
There should be no relaxation of the lockdown whilst the number of new cases and deaths per day.are multiples of the figures when lockdown started. Johnson needs to sober up and take responsibility. On the matter of returning to work Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 refers: link
Unite has produced this checklist: linkFinally join a union. Thousands have over the last few weeks. Unions help fund the Labour Party so no thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 21:50:18 GMT 1
There should be no relaxation of the lockdown whilst the number of new cases and deaths per day.are multiples of the figures when lockdown started. Johnson needs to sober up and take responsibility. On the matter of returning to work Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 refers: link
Unite has produced this checklist: linkFinally join a union. Thousands have over the last few weeks. Unions help fund the Labour Party so no thanks. You are able to opt out of the political levy. Also, bosses don't care who you vote for.
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Post by claphamshrew on May 10, 2020 22:09:14 GMT 1
Interesting news coming out of Germany today with thousands taking to the streets to protest about the Government’s handling of lockdown measures. In addition support of lockdown down overall to 66% from 92%. Experts critical of the way the measures have been eased and fear exponential growth.
Whilst I agree the term “stay alert” is a bit meaningless and in my opinion “stay diligent” would have been better, it’s fairly minor compared to what’s going on over there.
Surprised no one has posted about this as it’s running on most mainstream media outlets...
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 10, 2020 22:54:43 GMT 1
My niece is responsible for critical care planning and stats for a group of NHS trusts in the northwest. She has sent a message around the family advising us to ignore easing of lockdown as infections haven’t peaked in the region and there are hotspots close to where we live.
She is very disturbed by the confusing message from the PM.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 10, 2020 23:01:50 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 23:11:00 GMT 1
Already decided not to send my lad back to school regardless of what was said today.
It looks like September for him, but even then if we aren't happy we may hold him back a while.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 10, 2020 23:13:09 GMT 1
So do all employees go to work tomorrow, why announce something like that Sunday evening? Can the self emloyed start work? What if your work is customer facing? What about the hairdressers, etc? How are the police going to deal with it? They will have increased fines, but not much they could fine you for - mainly being out while coughing and spluttering or meeting to party at close quarters? judging by the length of most peoples hair at the moment, it would be ok for hairdressers just to give quotes for the time being Some Juan I know who is isolating because he is 84, has impressive wild tight curly hair. (Oh, alright I'm jealous), is moaning he can't go to the barbers. Every week I see him, I have to confess, it reminds me more and more of The Lion King.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 7:27:59 GMT 1
If people are that reliant on the government, that they need to be told everything they can and can’t do, then as a country we really should worry..... I personally thought it was clear.... but please don’t let a bit of common sense stop you having a good whinge...
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 11, 2020 7:36:27 GMT 1
There should be no relaxation of the lockdown whilst the number of new cases and deaths per day.are multiples of the figures when lockdown started. Johnson needs to sober up and take responsibility. On the matter of returning to work Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996 refers: link
Unite has produced this checklist: linkFinally join a union. Thousands have over the last few weeks. S44 seems very subjective. No doubt the unions will be the first to complain when people are made redundant. Have to get economy going again in a sensible fashion. If we take Sean’s line, we will never get going again. Same with schooling - other countries are reopening schools, I wonder what teachers expect before they will support reopening? We can not eliminate all risks, like many seem to think.
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