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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 7:05:26 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again.
Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 21, 2021 7:58:03 GMT 1
I read a stat recently that I’m unable to link or verify (so admittedly could be complete b******s), that approximately 50% of the current Covid cases are in schoolchildren.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 8:51:39 GMT 1
I read a stat recently that I’m unable to link or verify (so admittedly could be complete b******s), that approximately 50% of the current Covid cases are in schoolchildren. sky news "Education unions recently called for the reintroduction of extra safety measures in schools after official estimates showed around 270,000 secondary pupils had COVID-19 in the week to 2 October."
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 21, 2021 9:13:57 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again. Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense Implement a few easy things now - work from home if you can, mask wearing, and we could avoid any Plan C. But this government won't, they will wait until we have to hsve Plan B. Plan C, and even some mythical Plan D.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 9:15:53 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again. Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense Implement a few easy things now - work from home if you can, mask wearing, and we could avoid any Plan C. But this government won't, they will wait until we have to hsve Plan B. Plan C, and even some mythical Plan D.
Compulsory mask wearing has been proven to make no difference, if you compare England's rates to Scotland and Wales
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 21, 2021 9:30:27 GMT 1
Implement a few easy things now - work from home if you can, mask wearing, and we could avoid any Plan C. But this government won't, they will wait until we have to hsve Plan B. Plan C, and even some mythical Plan D.
Compulsory mask wearing has been proven to make no difference, if you compare England's rates to Scotland and Wales That is most likely true, but the fact that we put a mask on makes us think: Keep your distance, be aware. To some at the moment it's a free for all, no social distancing in queues or crowded places.
Does compulsory mask wearing cut down transmission of colds and flu, which are also going to be problematic this winter?
There's also working from home, which the government seems to be anti. Some enlightened employers were running things that way even before Covid.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 21, 2021 9:47:49 GMT 1
As usual, I see both sides. If we enter another lockdown now, you're basically admitting there is no way out of this and annual lockdowns are going to become part of life.
But if you don't lockdown you're basically complicit in the deaths of thousands of your citizens.
Or you can compromise and reintroduce working from home/mask wearing although how much of a difference that will make is anyone's guess.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 21, 2021 10:18:27 GMT 1
Compulsory mask wearing has been proven to make no difference, if you compare England's rates to Scotland and Wales That is most likely true, but the fact that we put a mask on makes us think: Keep your distance, be aware. To some at the moment it's a free for all, no social distancing in queues or crowded places.
Does compulsory mask wearing cut down transmission of colds and flu, which are also going to be problematic this winter?
There's also working from home, which the government seems to be anti. Some enlightened employers were running things that way even before Covid.
In some circles I’d argue that mask wearing makes people more complacent. They think because they’ve got this piece of cloth over their mouths that it’s some invincible Covid barrier when we know it’s at best only one part of lowering the Covid risk. But the debate over masks has been done to death by now.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 21, 2021 10:32:08 GMT 1
It could be argued that introducing more protective measures is mostly needed because a proportion of the population still refuse to have the vaccine and it will help protect them. As has been reported widely the majority that are addmitted to hospital have not been vaccinated.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 21, 2021 10:34:04 GMT 1
That is most likely true, but the fact that we put a mask on makes us think: Keep your distance, be aware. To some at the moment it's a free for all, no social distancing in queues or crowded places.
Does compulsory mask wearing cut down transmission of colds and flu, which are also going to be problematic this winter?
There's also working from home, which the government seems to be anti. Some enlightened employers were running things that way even before Covid.
In some circles I’d argue that mask wearing makes people more complacent. They think because they’ve got this piece of cloth over their mouths that it’s some invincible Covid barrier when we know it’s at best only one part of lowering the Covid risk. But the debate over masks has been done to death by now. Correct, it's been done to death. And we are still not much further forward on living with Covid. Probably the most compelling reason why it just doesnt make any significant difference. More and more people are realising but there are still far too many who beleive it does.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 10:35:46 GMT 1
www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/21/india-one-billion-covid-vaccine-doses-song-film"India has administered one billion COVID-19 vaccine doses, an important milestone after a slow start, even as a recent drop in inoculations worries the government and healthcare providers. Health Minister Mansukh Mandaviya will launch a song and an audio-visual film at the Mughal-era Red Fort in New Delhi on Thursday to “celebrate the landmark milestone”, his ministry said.India has administered one billion COVID-19 vaccine doses, an important milestone after a slow start, even as a recent drop in inoculations worries the government and healthcare providers. Health Minister Mansukh Mandaviya will launch a song and an audio-visual film at the Mughal-era Red Fort in New Delhi on Thursday to “celebrate the landmark milestone”, his ministry said." "The government wants all of India’s 944 million adults to get vaccinated this year. As of now, 75 percent of them have got at least one dose, and 31 percent have had two. However, hundreds of millions of Indians under 18 – who make up some 40 percent of the population – have not had a single shot."
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 21, 2021 10:37:31 GMT 1
It could be argued that introducing more protective measures is mostly needed because a proportion of the population still refuse to have the vaccine and it will help protect them. As has been reported widely the majority that are addmitted to hospital have not been vaccinated. Yes. They are the very people who are holding us back significantly in moving towards the end of this show. Why the hell should the majority who have had the vaccine be restricted due to those who refuse to beleive it will help them.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 10:40:21 GMT 1
It could be argued that introducing more protective measures is mostly needed because a proportion of the population still refuse to have the vaccine and it will help protect them. As has been reported widely the majority that are addmitted to hospital have not been vaccinated. Yes. They are the very people who are holding us back significantly in moving towards the end of this show. Why the hell should the majority who have had the vaccine be restricted due to those who refuse to beleive it will help them. Excellent post, nail on the head. Complied with every lockdown when this virus was new and unknown, and we didn't have vaccines. Not now - this would be self inflicted restrictions, that I won't abide by. I've had my 2 jabs, i take semi-regular lateral flows, what more do they want?
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Post by venceremos on Oct 21, 2021 10:40:51 GMT 1
Perhaps they're trying to save people's lives? I’m sorry, but there is a very easy way to save 99% of lives, and it does not include one single restriction. It involves two simple jabs www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548I don't know about 99% though what you say is generally true enough. But are you saying that vaccination should be mandatory? Take up has slowed down considerably and the UK is now well below many other European countries in the proportion of the population that's been vaccinated. There's a significant anti-vaxx group in this country and they're not changing their minds. If you want to force them, that's another story.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 10:41:48 GMT 1
I’m sorry, but there is a very easy way to save 99% of lives, and it does not include one single restriction. It involves two simple jabs www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548I don't know about 99% though what you say is generally true enough. But are you saying that vaccination should be mandatory? Take up has slowed down considerably and the UK is now well below many other European countries in the proportion of the population that's been vaccinated. There's a significant anti-vaxx group in this country and they're not changing their minds. If you want to force them, that's another story. It's a really difficult one, and i'll be honest, i'm sat on the fence with compulsory vaccination, and vaccine passports. I hate the idea of both, but I hate the idea of annual lockdowns more
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Post by venceremos on Oct 21, 2021 10:43:57 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again. Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense Do you think your switching channels means those discussions aren't happening any more?
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Post by venceremos on Oct 21, 2021 10:45:30 GMT 1
Implement a few easy things now - work from home if you can, mask wearing, and we could avoid any Plan C. But this government won't, they will wait until we have to hsve Plan B. Plan C, and even some mythical Plan D.
Compulsory mask wearing has been proven to make no difference, if you compare England's rates to Scotland and Wales What's the evidence for that assertion?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 21, 2021 10:47:17 GMT 1
The government cannot change course from the one that they have set since Cummings' Bishops Castle excursions without rebellion on the streets and within their own ranks. Much easier to let the "bodies pile high". No one will hold them to account for that. If a mutation occurs we're in serious trouble. I can't have my booster until the new year.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 21, 2021 10:48:07 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again. Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense Do you think your switching channels means those discussions aren't happening any more? CLimate change can be sorted using the same method.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 21, 2021 10:51:36 GMT 1
It could be argued that introducing more protective measures is mostly needed because a proportion of the population still refuse to have the vaccine and it will help protect them. As has been reported widely the majority that are addmitted to hospital have not been vaccinated. But how many have? Seems to be a lot of others with a similar idea but how many double jabbed have been really ill or died? The major problem is the more Covid is allowed to spread in the community the more likely a variant will develop that does become more dangerous to elderly double jabbed people. We do need to know total daily deaths broken down to vaccinated and non vaccinated and of the vaccinated some indication of vulnerability.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 21, 2021 10:52:28 GMT 1
This is to do with pressure on the NHS, not science. Do you really believe you have grounds to dismiss the medical evidence presented by epidemiologists about the progress of the virus on the basis that you've read an article that says the NHS isn't really under such great pressure? It's not the same subject! That certainly smacks of Talk Radio levels of "common sense". You seem to have listened to the experts who developed the virus and told you it was safe. You're happy to declare an end to restrictions on the back of the work of experts. But as soon as experts say something you don't want to hear, you've had enough of them. What a joke.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 21, 2021 10:53:03 GMT 1
Do you think your switching channels means those discussions aren't happening any more? CLimate change can be sorted using the same method. I use it when the football's going badly. Works for me.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 21, 2021 11:38:51 GMT 1
This is to do with pressure on the NHS, not science. Do you really believe you have grounds to dismiss the medical evidence presented by epidemiologists about the progress of the virus on the basis that you've read an article that says the NHS isn't really under such great pressure? It's not the same subject! That certainly smacks of Talk Radio levels of "common sense". You seem to have listened to the experts who developed the virus and told you it was safe. You're happy to declare an end to restrictions on the back of the work of experts. But as soon as experts say something you don't want to hear, you've had enough of them. What a joke. Well I'm with him, and quite a lot of people I talk to are of similar thought. Weve done all we have been told to, complied with restrictions, had the jabs. Now it's time to get on with life. We all know where the problems are coming from. I too am not prepared to go back to what we had to do 12 months ago due to them.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 21, 2021 12:02:09 GMT 1
It could be argued that introducing more protective measures is mostly needed because a proportion of the population still refuse to have the vaccine and it will help protect them. As has been reported widely the majority that are addmitted to hospital have not been vaccinated. But how many have? Seems to be a lot of others with a similar idea but how many double jabbed have been really ill or died? The major problem is the more Covid is allowed to spread in the community the more likely a variant will develop that does become more dangerous to elderly double jabbed people. We do need to know total daily deaths broken down to vaccinated and non vaccinated and of the vaccinated some indication of vulnerability. Its difficult to break these kind of figures down on a daily basis and would take a lot of resources to undertake but they are done on a weekly basis and published here assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdfPage 15 shows the death rate by age group and level of vacination in those people. Being vacinated helps massively in stopping people dying but is not going to protect everyone, especially in the older age groups
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 12:29:08 GMT 1
Compulsory mask wearing has been proven to make no difference, if you compare England's rates to Scotland and Wales What's the evidence for that assertion? Back in September, 2 months after England dropped our mask mandate, we had the lowest case rates in the UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58595865Then if you scroll down here enough, you'll see a chart that clearly shows between 20th August and 20th September, England had the lowest case rate in the UK, and now is still 2nd lowest www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 12:31:20 GMT 1
Turn the TV on this morning and within seconds hear news of a “potential Plan C” that would be a ban on households mixing. Umm no thanks, never again. Talk Radio it is then, the home of common sense Do you think your switching channels means those discussions aren't happening any more? Rather patronising... Not wanting to listen to that b******s, and not thinking it's happening, are two very different things, but i expect you knew i'd know that already
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 21, 2021 12:57:19 GMT 1
But how many have? Seems to be a lot of others with a similar idea but how many double jabbed have been really ill or died? The major problem is the more Covid is allowed to spread in the community the more likely a variant will develop that does become more dangerous to elderly double jabbed people. We do need to know total daily deaths broken down to vaccinated and non vaccinated and of the vaccinated some indication of vulnerability. Its difficult to break these kind of figures down on a daily basis and would take a lot of resources to undertake but they are done on a weekly basis and published here assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdfPage 15 shows the death rate by age group and level of vacination in those people. Being vacinated helps massively in stopping people dying but is not going to protect everyone, especially in the older age groups and the fact that just because they are vaccinated, doesn't mean other conditions that can cause illness have magically gone away
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 21, 2021 13:07:12 GMT 1
They're harping on about a sharp rise in Ipswich, but the MP was on just now saying they're fine. There's lots of cases but minimal hospitalisations.
99% of people in Ipswich hospital are non or single vaccinated. Unless medically except I have absolutely zero sympathy; they're part of the problem!
If you're double vaccinated you're contributing to the solution. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knows this.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 21, 2021 13:23:27 GMT 1
They're harping on about a sharp rise in Ipswich, but the MP was on just now saying they're fine. There's lots of cases but minimal hospitalisations. 99% of people in Ipswich hospital are non or single vaccinated. Unless medically except I have absolutely zero sympathy; they're part of the problem! If you're double vaccinated you're contributing to the solution. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knows this. I've been out and about across Shropshire helping promote the take up of vaccines and the boosters. Whilst I'd agree that getting vaccinated is a very very good idea, I do have a bit more sympathy with those not taking up the vaccine. These reasons behind it are quite complex I've encountered very few of the anti vaxer arguments, but other issues that have been given are concerns the vaccine will impact on pregnancy; difficulties in accessing vaccines, particuarly for the elderly and people living remotely; reaction to the vaccine and cases where other illnesses and medications mean people can't take the vaccine or the efficiency of the vaccine is much lower due to other conditions. People have genuine worries and the sheer weight of information - both true and false - circulating about vacinating is confusing for many people. A government programme addressing these issue would help I think. Devoting time to talk through concerns with medical professionals is also important but thats also a resource issue In planning services we always know that take up of any vaccine is never going to be 100%, and we still have to plan accordingly that some won't take up the vaccine and still need treating. With it looking likely that Covid is around for some time I expect allocating resources in hospitals to the issue will be required long term as well.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2021 15:16:46 GMT 1
They're harping on about a sharp rise in Ipswich, but the MP was on just now saying they're fine. There's lots of cases but minimal hospitalisations. 99% of people in Ipswich hospital are non or single vaccinated. Unless medically except I have absolutely zero sympathy; they're part of the problem! If you're double vaccinated you're contributing to the solution. Everyone with an ounce of common sense knows this. I've been out and about across Shropshire helping promote the take up of vaccines and the boosters. Whilst I'd agree that getting vaccinated is a very very good idea, I do have a bit more sympathy with those not taking up the vaccine. These reasons behind it are quite complex I've encountered very few of the anti vaxer arguments, but other issues that have been given are concerns the vaccine will impact on pregnancy; difficulties in accessing vaccines, particuarly for the elderly and people living remotely; reaction to the vaccine and cases where other illnesses and medications mean people can't take the vaccine or the efficiency of the vaccine is much lower due to other conditions. People have genuine worries and the sheer weight of information - both true and false - circulating about vacinating is confusing for many people. A government programme addressing these issue would help I think. Devoting time to talk through concerns with medical professionals is also important but thats also a resource issue In planning services we always know that take up of any vaccine is never going to be 100%, and we still have to plan accordingly that some won't take up the vaccine and still need treating. With it looking likely that Covid is around for some time I expect allocating resources in hospitals to the issue will be required long term as well. That's a good post - one of my major frustrations is the fact the Government knew Covid is going to be around for a long time/forever, yet they have done nothing to prepare for this winter, 18 months on from the start. Absolute negligence, if you're willing to spend £100bn+ on Furlough, what's a few more billion to staff and equip the nightingales we had, or build other infrastructure purely to cope with Covid
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