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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 18:22:00 GMT 1
Boris is an absolute mess here - can’t even get the date right in his speech
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 14, 2021 18:24:02 GMT 1
As others are intimating, the worry shouldn’t be a variant cropping up here, but elsewhere in the world that are vaccinating far less than us With that logic, we either ban all foreign travel (Govt have already proved that cant/won’t do this), or we stay living locked down for years Quite why this isn’t down to personal responsibility now I don’t know Variants can crop up anywhere so I 100% agree that foreign travel should be looked at very closely in the coming weeks. With better checks on flights from India 6 weeks ago we’d probably be reopening next week fully Africa is likely to be the next continent Covid really takes hold so I’d be looking to the government to look very carefully at travel from there for the next few months The threat from mutations in the UK is very real, but we have the advantage that a lot of the expertise in detecting new variants is also in the UK so getting people to keep testing twice a week is really important. If a new variant emerges we can act more quickly to contain it through local public health teams Stop press new variant due to be announced just before 19th July to save Boris's 'very confident a 4 week delay will be enough,' 'were going to have to learn to live with the virus,', 'we' ll have built up a wall of immunity by 19th July'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 19:12:08 GMT 1
Boris is an absolute mess here - can’t even get the date right in his speech Blimey it’s taken a long time for that penny to drop😂😂👍
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 19:18:06 GMT 1
Boris is an absolute mess here - can’t even get the date right in his speech Blimey it’s taken a long time for that penny to drop😂😂👍 Trust me - it hasn’t. But today was bad by even his standards
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 19:25:40 GMT 1
Like I've said, the decision to delay to allow more people to get vaccinated due to the threat of the delta variant seems a sensible one. The reason why people are fed up/frustrated/angry is because it's not 'just another 4 weeks' as some people keep claiming, we have had 15 months of restrictions and constant false dawns/promises whipped up by soundbites from the gov't which have been fed to their friends in the media.
Fingers crossed 4 weeks time it's all ok but I certainly won't be surprised if there's something else which means it has to be pushed back
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 20:13:01 GMT 1
my dad is in hospital again I hope hes ok, I cant visit because this virus is still about but hey, never mind that , lets get the smoked salmon and champagne out and have some fun and games If you think this virus will ever be eradicated, then you must be very stupid And I’ll repeat what others have said in the past - it’s not always just about you. There’s 65 million others in this country effected by it yes, you're right my dad is the only person in hospital in the uk at the moment and 65 million want a party ps, dont call me stupid, I may act stupid but I'm not we have too many name callers on here
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 20:27:07 GMT 1
Its the threat of the virus mutating in the under 50s that is the main concern. Although cases of long Covid which keep people off work for 12 weeks or more have also started to emerge in the last 4 months too, so its not leaving the under 50s unscathed. The biggest threat to our vaccine programme is the emergance of a varient that makes the existing vaccines less effective, and the more people there are getting the virus the more chance there is of varients emerging. Getting around 90% of the population vaccinated twice as soon a possible really is the best way to really the best way to knock the virus on its head. If that takes a few weeks longer it obviously has an impact on the economcy, but a return of a new strain of the virus in the autumn is a situation the Government really wants to avoid Most would agree that an extension is necessary, but there again it would have been unnecessary if this incompetent administration had taken action IMMEDIATELY that the Indian variant became known. imagine if you were making the decisions and stuck to the roadmap no doubt in a few weeks time someone like yourself would be shouting, if he had delayed by a month like it was obvious he should have there wouldn't be another lockdown
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 21:00:27 GMT 1
Most would agree that an extension is necessary, but there again it would have been unnecessary if this incompetent administration had taken action IMMEDIATELY that the Indian variant became known. imagine if you were making the decisions and stuck to the roadmap no doubt in a few weeks time someone like yourself would be shouting, if he had delayed by a month like it was obvious he should have there wouldn't be another lockdown Where have I said he should have stuck to the road map? Clearly it is necessary to delay the June 21st date and I have previously said as much.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 14, 2021 21:04:02 GMT 1
In 4 weeks time, people will be saying that if we wait a few more weeks, then even more will be vaccinated and we will have more information, and so it will go on.
At least there is a realisation that we will have to live with it, and hopefully the public will hear that.
Even by Boris’s low standards that was a shambolic performance from him. Totally cringe-worthy to think this is our leader who was dealing with world leaders a few days before.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 21:09:39 GMT 1
If you think this virus will ever be eradicated, then you must be very stupid And I’ll repeat what others have said in the past - it’s not always just about you. There’s 65 million others in this country effected by it yes, you're right my dad is the only person in hospital in the uk at the moment and 65 million want a party ps, dont call me stupid, I may act stupid but I'm not we have too many name callers on here Another person today who can’t read/understand a post properly and sees things that aren’t there. I didn’t call you stupid. Both Boris and Vallance said today that Covid is here forever. Therefore I stand by my first post, anyone who thinks Covid will be eradicated is stupid. And I’d add also extremely and highly dangerous to everyone ever getting our way of life back
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Post by welshshrew on Jun 14, 2021 21:12:45 GMT 1
A lot of people saying Johnson wasn’t on his A game tonight. He seemed very much in charge of things to me.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 14, 2021 21:28:34 GMT 1
From the answer to one of the reporter's questions, it sounds like Boris and his sidekick Dowden are in the process of cutting some deal with Lloyd Webber to allow his theatre to have a capacity audience as a 'test' event. That would effectively head off an embarrassing confrontation for the government, with Lloyd Webber having threatened to break the law by ignoring any restrictions on crowd size. Here's the results of the test events so far, which don't seem to have been widely publicised. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/covid-test-pilot-events-15-cases-west-end-revival-june-21-oliver-dowden-b937048.html
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 21:45:01 GMT 1
yes, you're right my dad is the only person in hospital in the uk at the moment and 65 million want a party ps, dont call me stupid, I may act stupid but I'm not we have too many name callers on here Another person today who can’t read/understand a post properly and sees things that aren’t there. I didn’t call you stupid. Both Boris and Vallance said today that Covid is here forever. Therefore I stand by my first post, anyone who thinks Covid will be eradicated is stupid. And I’d add also extremely and highly dangerous to everyone ever getting our way of life back you are the only one mentioning the word eradicated the numbers are rising, hospitals are being effected there is a necessary delay even a stupid person can see that
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 14, 2021 21:48:33 GMT 1
The data does show an increase in both cases and hospitalisations. But why is everyone so accepting of this happening? This is the Boris Johnson variant, he let it into the country when even ‘Captain Hindsight’ knew arrivals from India needed to be suspended. The man has more or less single handedly cost us our freedom, and it seems like expectations of the government are now so low that neither the media nor the public even care anymore.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 21:49:16 GMT 1
Another person today who can’t read/understand a post properly and sees things that aren’t there. I didn’t call you stupid. Both Boris and Vallance said today that Covid is here forever. Therefore I stand by my first post, anyone who thinks Covid will be eradicated is stupid. And I’d add also extremely and highly dangerous to everyone ever getting our way of life back you are the only one mentioning the word eradicated the numbers are rising, hospitals are being effected there is a necessary delay even a stupid person can see that Hospitalisations are below Sage’s best prediction model for this date as we moved through the roadmap That suggests there was never any possibility of unlocking on 21st June - imagine my shock Recently there was 0 Covid patients in Shrewsbury and Telford hospitals. They must be seriously over run and effected… meanwhile cancer treatments and routine opps continue to be ignored. It’s an absolute disgrace and folk keep buying this b******s
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 22:02:02 GMT 1
Enough is enough
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 22:03:03 GMT 1
you are the only one mentioning the word eradicated the numbers are rising, hospitals are being effected there is a necessary delay even a stupid person can see that Hospitalisations are below Sage’s best prediction model for this date as we moved through the roadmap That suggests there was never any possibility of unlocking on 21st June - imagine my shock Recently there was 0 Covid patients in Shrewsbury and Telford hospitals. They must be seriously over run and effected… meanwhile cancer treatments and routine opps continue to be ignored. It’s an absolute disgrace and folk keep buying this b******s I still dont know how my dad is apparently he ate some of his breakfast today
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Post by northwestman on Jun 14, 2021 22:10:44 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9685661/Wimbledon-finals-staged-capacity-crowd-despite-Freedom-Day-delayed.html#commentsWimbledon's finals weekend will welcome full houses next month after the Government boosted capacities to an assortment of summer sports events. The rest of the tournament will operate at 50 per cent capacity, while the same ratio will permit 40,000 fans into Wembley for the Euro 2020 last-16 match there, plus the semi-finals and finals. Rugby League's Challenge Cup final, the Open golf at Sandwich and Silverstone Grand Prix are also expected to see attendances raised above the previously anticipated limits. They will all come under the Government's Events Research Programme, and involve the expanded trialling of the NHS App and lateral flow tests to demonstrate a person's Covid status. Meanwhile, smaller venues continue to have to exist with severely reduced crowds.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 22:16:40 GMT 1
maybe if they stood on a chair in the street with a loudhailer and call those who dont agree stupid it might help ?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 14, 2021 22:18:50 GMT 1
Hospitalisations are below Sage’s best prediction model for this date as we moved through the roadmap That suggests there was never any possibility of unlocking on 21st June - imagine my shock Recently there was 0 Covid patients in Shrewsbury and Telford hospitals. They must be seriously over run and effected… meanwhile cancer treatments and routine opps continue to be ignored. It’s an absolute disgrace and folk keep buying this b******s I still dont know how my dad is apparently he ate some of his breakfast today With every sympathy for your current situation, are you picking the wrong targets? I’d be questioning why a fully vaccinated individual can’t visit a presumably fully vaccinated man, in a place where the vast majority of patients and staff will also be fully vaccinated. Surely it will do more good than harm for patients to get safe visits - and surely the NHS have a duty to ensure these can be conducted safely. If the hospital allowed for visits tomorrow is it safe to assume you’d be straight round for visiting time? I’d also be questioning why the NHS/government/hospitals have done nothing with regards increasing capacity to allow for Covid to not hinder their day to day business - because yes hospitalisations are rising, but they’re still currently very low in comparison with most of the last 15 months. Yes we might be showing early signs of a third wave, but we have so much more knowledge of the virus, how to treat those afflicted and most crucially how to immunise people, yet it seems like in all instances the tactics seen to be the same as in wave 1, completely shut up shop.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 14, 2021 22:21:05 GMT 1
maybe if they stood on a chair in the street with a loudhailer and call those who dont agree stupid it might help ? I don’t think there’s helping some people if I’m honest
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 22:33:18 GMT 1
I still dont know how my dad is apparently he ate some of his breakfast today With every sympathy for your current situation, are you picking the wrong targets? I’d be questioning why a fully vaccinated individual can’t visit a presumably fully vaccinated man, in a place where the vast majority of patients and staff will also be fully vaccinated. Surely it will do more good than harm for patients to get safe visits - and surely the NHS have a duty to ensure these can be conducted safely. If the hospital allowed for visits tomorrow is it safe to assume you’d be straight round for visiting time? I’d also be questioning why the NHS/government/hospitals have done nothing with regards increasing capacity to allow for Covid to not hinder their day to day business - because yes hospitalisations are rising, but they’re still currently very low in comparison with most of the last 15 months. Yes we might be showing early signs of a third wave, but we have so much more knowledge of the virus, how to treat those afflicted and most crucially how to immunise people, yet it seems like in all instances the tactics seen to be the same as in wave 1, completely shut up shop. good idea, I'll get my mum to ask that when she's on the phone for 4 hours tomorrow trying to get through
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 14, 2021 22:40:55 GMT 1
With every sympathy for your current situation, are you picking the wrong targets? I’d be questioning why a fully vaccinated individual can’t visit a presumably fully vaccinated man, in a place where the vast majority of patients and staff will also be fully vaccinated. Surely it will do more good than harm for patients to get safe visits - and surely the NHS have a duty to ensure these can be conducted safely. If the hospital allowed for visits tomorrow is it safe to assume you’d be straight round for visiting time? I’d also be questioning why the NHS/government/hospitals have done nothing with regards increasing capacity to allow for Covid to not hinder their day to day business - because yes hospitalisations are rising, but they’re still currently very low in comparison with most of the last 15 months. Yes we might be showing early signs of a third wave, but we have so much more knowledge of the virus, how to treat those afflicted and most crucially how to immunise people, yet it seems like in all instances the tactics seen to be the same as in wave 1, completely shut up shop. good idea, I'll get my mum to ask that when she's on the phone for 4 hours tomorrow trying to get through A flippant reply as it’s clearly not a fight one person can make on there own, but we constantly hear how we’re going to have to learn to live with Covid (the PM even said it today), and yet it feels like we’ve learned absolutely nothing.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 14, 2021 22:56:34 GMT 1
good idea, I'll get my mum to ask that when she's on the phone for 4 hours tomorrow trying to get through A flippant reply as it’s clearly not a fight one person can make on there own, but we constantly hear how we’re going to have to learn to live with Covid (the PM even said it today), and yet it feels like we’ve learned absolutely nothing. there isn’t a fight The experts have said to delay The only ones moaning are those wanting a beer and those wanting to sell it
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 15, 2021 6:24:17 GMT 1
A flippant reply as it’s clearly not a fight one person can make on there own, but we constantly hear how we’re going to have to learn to live with Covid (the PM even said it today), and yet it feels like we’ve learned absolutely nothing. there isn’t a fight The experts have said to delay The only ones moaning are those wanting a beer and those wanting to sell it “The experts have said to delay”. As I said above, the experts modelling has consistently been wrong and once again, hospitalisations are tracking below even Sage’s best prediction. Convenient fact to ignore “Those wanting a beer”. Anyone can have a beer now. You just don’t get it 😂
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 15, 2021 7:08:36 GMT 1
A flippant reply as it’s clearly not a fight one person can make on there own, but we constantly hear how we’re going to have to learn to live with Covid (the PM even said it today), and yet it feels like we’ve learned absolutely nothing. there isn’t a fight The experts have said to delay The only ones moaning are those wanting a beer and those wanting to sell it I’ve had more than enough beers since pubs reopened, would help me more if the government closed all pubs again
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 7:40:55 GMT 1
Was reading the reaction on social media this morning to the press conference and it was mixed but there were a few interesting posts
A journalist who said he spoke with two ministers last night, they both agree with the delay but are concerned that cases, hospitalisations & deaths will be higher in 4 weeks time so Boris will be under a lot of pressure from some quarters not to open up
Someone poinetd out that Boris said the growth rate of the delta variant was 64% per week, that figure is already out of date and is below that
Someone pointed out that as late as last Monday the gov't were still insisting 'nothing in the data to suggest delaying' but on 2nd June the SAGE modelling group issued a paper recommending delaying. And on the 3rd June PHE published a paper saying the delta variant was twice as likely to result in hospitalisations
Someone pointed out that the SAGE modelling accompanying the announcement suggests full reopening would have caused 250k cases per day. According to the ONS our peak cases was 107k in December (in winter with no one vaccinated)
Someone pointed out that that the delay is to get more people vaccinated, however the vaccine rate is slowing down. The gov't have targeted 2/3's of adults with a second dose within the next 5 weeks which would be 3million, that is 85k per day
But hey let's not question any of this, afterall it's just about going for a pint.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 15, 2021 7:53:34 GMT 1
It's also about size of crowds. Any further extension from July 19th will impinge upon the Club's ability to start the season with full crowds including away fans, with all the attendant problems that would cause.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 15, 2021 8:07:02 GMT 1
Was reading the reaction on social media this morning to the press conference and it was mixed but there were a few interesting posts A journalist who said he spoke with two ministers last night, they both agree with the delay but are concerned that cases, hospitalisations & deaths will be higher in 4 weeks time so Boris will be under a lot of pressure from some quarters not to open up Someone poinetd out that Boris said the growth rate of the delta variant was 64% per week, that figure is already out of date and is below that Someone pointed out that as late as last Monday the gov't were still insisting 'nothing in the data to suggest delaying' but on 2nd June the SAGE modelling group issued a paper recommending delaying. And on the 3rd June PHE published a paper saying the delta variant was twice as likely to result in hospitalisations Someone pointed out that the SAGE modelling accompanying the announcement suggests full reopening would have caused 250k cases per day. According to the ONS our peak cases was 107k in December (in winter with no one vaccinated) Someone pointed out that that the delay is to get more people vaccinated, however the vaccine rate is slowing down. The gov't have targeted 2/3's of adults with a second dose within the next 5 weeks which would be 3million, that is 85k per day But hey let's not question any of this, afterall it's just about going for a pint. None of this gets raised though, due to: a) an ineffective opposition. b) the mainstream media not asking the right questions. c) a significant percentage of the public who seem to enjoy restrictions and will blindly accept extensions no questions asked.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 15, 2021 8:18:00 GMT 1
Consistently hits the nail on the head
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