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Post by armchairfan on Mar 7, 2021 16:46:41 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/07/labour-must-not-let-boris-johnson-emerge-as-covid-heroMore than 120,000 people have died from the coronavirus in the UK, twice the death toll of the blitz, and government advisers are on the record saying that some of those fatalities were avoidable. The government has got a thoroughly deserved name for incompetence and its leader an absolutely merited reputation for slow and bad decision-making in handling several critical aspects of the crisis. In the past few days, various things have happened that wouldn’t normally endear any government to the electorate. The chancellor has produced a budget which, when stripped of all the marketing, is the harbinger of both a spending squeeze and higher taxes across the board. Health workers are insulted and infuriated that ministers want to give them a miserly 1% increase – a cut after inflation – to their salaries. Taxpayers are forking out £340,000 plus legal costs to avoid a public airing at an employment tribunal of the accusations of bullying against Priti Patel. The aroma of cronyism and pork-barrelling radiated by this government grows more pungent. Then there’s the baleful economic consequences of Brexit and the destabilisation it is causing to the brittle politics of Northern Ireland. How does a government become more popular in these circumstances? Pollsters report that the only topic really animating their focus groups is the vaccination programme and how impressive it has been.This has furnished the Tories with a feelgood story about the epidemic which they can tell the electorate. Surely not the words of the Guardian - will wonders EVER cease? Apart from anything else, it is virtually a statistical certainty that some deaths were avoidable.... I believe that there has been a number of enquiries, in recent years, into NHS actions/inactions which have resulted in avoidable deaths. Of course, one must recognise that to loved ones, these are more than just statistics.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 7, 2021 16:53:42 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both.
'The NHS is facing a “hidden backlog” of six million patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic, health leaders have warned.
Increasing numbers are likely to suffer with worsening conditions at home unless the Government produces a comprehensive plan to deal with the problem, according to new research by the NHS Confederation.
The body, which represents all parts of the health service, cited a 30 per cent drop in GP referrals for non-urgent care last year.
They are particularly concerned about the reduction in referrals for orthopaedics and ophthalmology, both of which are clinical areas with conditions that can steadily worsen if left untreated.
The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruption to NHS services, with elective treatment the hardest hit.
There was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment'.
This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2021 19:00:26 GMT 1
despit all these precautions and testing it just shows how hard it is to keep this virus under controllbbn www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-air-new-zealand-crew-member-tests-positive-for-covid-auckland-airport-countdown-supermarket-a-location-of-interest/3ERP7TRWUFBA4WGHIOON3BFSZE/"An Air New Zealand crew member has tested positive for Covid-19 - and the Auckland Airport Countdown supermarket has been identified as an early "location of interest". The crew member arrived in Auckland on a flight from Tokyo on February 28 - they tested negative after a Covid test that day, but positive after a routine test on Saturday. They have been moved to the Auckland quarantine facility at Jet Park. The individual's three household family members have already been tested on Sunday and the results were all negative, says the Ministry of Health." There are significant precautions in place for our crew operating to international destinations set out by the Ministry of Health, and we are confident that our people are following the protocols diligently," said Johnston. "For Japan these include taking private transport to and from their hotel, isolating in the hotel while on layover and wearing PPE while travelling to and from the hotel, through the airport and on board. Air crew are also subject to regular surveillance testing where they are tested up to once every seven days." An Air New Zealand spokeswoman said the Ministry of Health did not require air crew to isolate on return from Japan, however, they were required to undergo a health assessment"
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Post by servernaside on Mar 7, 2021 20:27:10 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both. 'The NHS is facing a “hidden backlog” of six million patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic, health leaders have warned. Increasing numbers are likely to suffer with worsening conditions at home unless the Government produces a comprehensive plan to deal with the problem, according to new research by the NHS Confederation. The body, which represents all parts of the health service, cited a 30 per cent drop in GP referrals for non-urgent care last year. They are particularly concerned about the reduction in referrals for orthopaedics and ophthalmology, both of which are clinical areas with conditions that can steadily worsen if left untreated. The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruption to NHS services, with elective treatment the hardest hit. There was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment'. This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019. Your second quote from the Telegraph bears no relationship to the earlier one from the Guardian, either in content or sentiment. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 21:46:24 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both. 'The NHS is facing a “hidden backlog” of six million patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic, health leaders have warned. Increasing numbers are likely to suffer with worsening conditions at home unless the Government produces a comprehensive plan to deal with the problem, according to new research by the NHS Confederation. The body, which represents all parts of the health service, cited a 30 per cent drop in GP referrals for non-urgent care last year. They are particularly concerned about the reduction in referrals for orthopaedics and ophthalmology, both of which are clinical areas with conditions that can steadily worsen if left untreated. The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruption to NHS services, with elective treatment the hardest hit. There was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment'. This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019. Your second quote from the Telegraph bears no relationship to the earlier one from the Guardian, either in content or sentiment. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Never mind whether the 2 quotes bare any relationship, you just carry on defending the indefensible.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 7, 2021 21:53:57 GMT 1
Your second quote from the Telegraph bears no relationship to the earlier one from the Guardian, either in content or sentiment. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Never mind whether the 2 quotes bare any relationship, you just carry on defending the indefensible. I was addressing northwestman in case it had escaped your attention.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 7, 2021 22:26:54 GMT 1
Your second quote from the Telegraph bears no relationship to the earlier one from the Guardian, either in content or sentiment. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Never mind whether the 2 quotes bare any relationship, you just carry on defending the indefensible. "Never mind"? OK..... never mind that most opposition to this admittedly less-than-perfect government comes, in the main, from those misguided individuals who believe that they, or their chosen Party, would have performed better..... Never mind..... 🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 23:38:56 GMT 1
Never mind whether the 2 quotes bare any relationship, you just carry on defending the indefensible. "Never mind"? OK..... never mind that most opposition to this admittedly less-than-perfect government comes, in the main, from those misguided individuals who believe that they, or their chosen Party, would have performed better..... Never mind..... 🤣🤣 I'm of a mind to say that yourself would have performed better the bar is so low.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 23:42:35 GMT 1
Never mind whether the 2 quotes bare any relationship, you just carry on defending the indefensible. I was addressing northwestman in case it had escaped your attention. Sorry my mistake, I thought this was a members forum rather than a two way conversation. There is a facility to carry on that closed conversation available called messages.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 8, 2021 8:27:43 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both. That's decent of you. And keep it up North West, it is appreciated. But I guess you might get called out if you are sharing opinion pieces from the Guardian. More so those that some suspect match your own.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 8, 2021 9:38:34 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both. 'The NHS is facing a “hidden backlog” of six million patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic, health leaders have warned. Increasing numbers are likely to suffer with worsening conditions at home unless the Government produces a comprehensive plan to deal with the problem, according to new research by the NHS Confederation. The body, which represents all parts of the health service, cited a 30 per cent drop in GP referrals for non-urgent care last year. They are particularly concerned about the reduction in referrals for orthopaedics and ophthalmology, both of which are clinical areas with conditions that can steadily worsen if left untreated. The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruption to NHS services, with elective treatment the hardest hit. There was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment'. This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019. i apreciate your efforts in getting a range of links, i dont subscribe to any online papers but try and find a range of sources, i appreciate the time you spend in presenting these points
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 10:10:10 GMT 1
I'll try quoting from the Telegraph then. I'm weary of being pulled up for providing Guardian links when I've gone to the trouble of taking out subscriptions to the Telegraph and The Times, which are behind paywalls, and have regularly provided information from both. 'The NHS is facing a “hidden backlog” of six million patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic, health leaders have warned. Increasing numbers are likely to suffer with worsening conditions at home unless the Government produces a comprehensive plan to deal with the problem, according to new research by the NHS Confederation. The body, which represents all parts of the health service, cited a 30 per cent drop in GP referrals for non-urgent care last year. They are particularly concerned about the reduction in referrals for orthopaedics and ophthalmology, both of which are clinical areas with conditions that can steadily worsen if left untreated. The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruption to NHS services, with elective treatment the hardest hit. There was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment'. This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019. People will rather moan at you than engage with the actual issue, because it's easier to do so. It's the way the board has been going for a while, but I can assure you that plenty of people on here appreciate what you do. I also like the way you use balanced sources as opposed to say Spiked, Guido, Unherd, Huffington Post, etc that are so obviously biased.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 8, 2021 10:37:40 GMT 1
So schools back in the UK today, I do hope it goes well and this is the first step for you guys on the long road out of lockdown. A good article here on home schooling; the experience, the joys, the concerns etc. How my home-schooling scarred my kids
Set to continue for a while yet here in Germany unfortunately but hopefully some news in a week or two...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 8, 2021 10:44:47 GMT 1
It should be pointed out that AstraZeneca is a world wide company with major presence within the EU and the vaccine is being produced there as well as in the UK, so maybe not so vindictive against the UK as made out. it is but the EU have not behaved rationally Indeed, whether produced in the UK or the EU its resulted in this... Looking to the levels listed against the other vaccines, very hard not to conclude that the doubts raised around the AstraZeneca vaccine have contributed to this.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 8, 2021 11:17:43 GMT 1
it is but the EU have not behaved rationally Indeed, whether produced in the UK or the EU its resulted in this... Looking to the levels listed against the other vaccines, very hard not to conclude that the doubts raised around the AstraZeneca vaccine have contributed to this. the damage has been done the vaccine has been taintted by the comments of the EU .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 11:32:07 GMT 1
So schools back in the UK today, I do hope it goes well and this is the first step for you guys on the long road out of lockdown. I think the important thing to note is its not one big bang as some have suggested, my niece is back in tomorrow and its a staggered return across the week for her school. My wife works at Shrewsbury college, she's not actually back in until the 22nd I can of course understand the nervousness people have about the return but the longer it goes on, the worse the return will be for the kids, I know my niece is very nervous about going back and I've had similar conversations with people and their kids going back. Fingers crossed for everyone
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Post by servernaside on Mar 8, 2021 13:00:29 GMT 1
It's a big step on the long road to freedom.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 8, 2021 13:06:02 GMT 1
Indeed, whether produced in the UK or the EU its resulted in this... Looking to the levels listed against the other vaccines, very hard not to conclude that the doubts raised around the AstraZeneca vaccine have contributed to this. the damage has been done the vaccine has been taintted by the comments of the EU . Oh well, they won't go to waste. Lot's of people are desparate to have whatever vaccine they can get around the world, try Canada for a start. Now there is talk of a nasally administered vaccine, that would really speed things up especially in less developed countries.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 8, 2021 13:31:12 GMT 1
"Never mind"? OK..... never mind that most opposition to this admittedly less-than-perfect government comes, in the main, from those misguided individuals who believe that they, or their chosen Party, would have performed better..... Never mind..... 🤣🤣 I'm of a mind to say that yourself would have performed better the bar is so low. How kind and generous of you to attribute to me abilities that I do not believe I possess..... I think you are wrong, but the thought is much appreciated 👍
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 7:50:19 GMT 1
there is a nasal product that is going through clinical trials that claims to reduce all nasal virus by 97% this was already available and seems a good idea for all the people with impared imune system or some other reason as to why they cant have a vaccine and also all school children. it was avaiable in october 2020 and got aproval for use in the eu.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 8:10:14 GMT 1
the implemenation of tough lockdown measuers and tough hotel quarantine for all flights coming into australia seems to have paid off. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9339995/Australia-enjoys-tenth-straight-day-no-Covid.html"Australia has gone 10 consecutive days without a single locally-acquired case of Covid-19. New South Wales enjoyed 51 consecutive days without a local case on Monday, while Victoria extended its run to 11 days on Tuesday. Western Australia also recorded two new cases in hotel quarantine, bringing the number of active cases in the state up to seven." unfortently the vaccine roll out is not going so well but they expect to increase the rollout in march, The EU blocking two deliverys of pfizer will not have helped. "As of Sunday, more than 81,000 Australians had been vaccinated, but the number is below the federal government's target. Complicated logistics have hampered the initial speed of the rollout, which has started with frontline workers and aged care residents."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 9:45:01 GMT 1
what the welsh first minister htinks of boris www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-56325521"First Minister Mark Drakeford criticised Boris Johnson to colleagues after a meeting with him last year. He was filmed in an S4C documentary saying he "really, really is awful". The Cobra meeting last December discussed France's ban on lorry drivers from the UK, following the discovery of a new variant strain of coronavirus."
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Post by northwestman on Mar 9, 2021 16:01:18 GMT 1
'A flicker of anxiety crossed Boris Johnson’s brow as he was asked for his thoughts on bullying and racism. Only last week, his government paid out a £340,000 settlement to Priti Patel’s former top civil servant at the Home Office who had alleged he was forced out of his job, and his views on watermelon smiles and women in burqas are well rehearsed. But then he realised that the question was about Meghan and Harry and not about him and he visibly relaxed'.
John Crace - The Guardian.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 9, 2021 16:41:52 GMT 1
So, despite vaccinations going quicker than anticipated and with a higher take up, Chris Whitty reckons we’ll have new surges in Autumn and winter, and this will be after all adults, ie over 18’s can have vaccine. In which case, it raises the question of, can we ever return to some sort of normality? I realise that we’re never going to be able to eliminate COVID, but are we really also going to be able to live with it, like we do with flu?
Sounds very depressing to me.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 9, 2021 17:29:05 GMT 1
So, despite vaccinations going quicker than anticipated and with a higher take up, Chris Whitty reckons we’ll have new surges in Autumn and winter, and this will be after all adults, ie over 18’s can have vaccine. In which case, it raises the question of, can we ever return to some sort of normality? I realise that we’re never going to be able to eliminate COVID, but are we really also going to be able to live with it, like we do with flu? Sounds very depressing to me. Didn't they also say 4,000 a day would be dying? It's always the very worst case with him, naturally I guess.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 9, 2021 17:40:36 GMT 1
So, despite vaccinations going quicker than anticipated and with a higher take up, Chris Whitty reckons we’ll have new surges in Autumn and winter, and this will be after all adults, ie over 18’s can have vaccine. In which case, it raises the question of, can we ever return to some sort of normality? I realise that we’re never going to be able to eliminate COVID, but are we really also going to be able to live with it, like we do with flu? Sounds very depressing to me. Didn't they also say 4,000 a day would be dying? It's always the very worst case with him, naturally I guess. Given that we reached 2000+ per day and we locked the country down, I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of probability it would’ve got to 4000 without action. Even if there is evidence behind his latest words, to pour cold water on a period of optimism is still very depressing to read.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 9, 2021 20:00:03 GMT 1
I’d like to read the full transcript of his evidence to the parliamentary committee if it’s available. Not until after the Rochdale game of course!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 11:38:41 GMT 1
i know a person who has been diagnosed with long covid,even though she had a number of negative tests at the time she presented with a cough a temperatuer and difficulty, breathing. as for long covid she has all the typical symptoms, brain fog, headaches, fatigue,shortness of breath and low oxygen levels. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9344069/Nearly-Covid-long-haulers-NO-symptoms-diagnosis.html"The mysteries of 'long-covid' continue to mount as new research suggests that nearly a third of people with symptoms that linger for months had none at all when they were diagnosed. The new study, from the University of California, suggests that there is no singular profile that can help doctors predict which COVID-19 patients may wind up with symptoms that last for months after infection. The researchers studied 1,400 patients from University of California hospitals who were never hospitalized. One in four of these patients had persistent symptoms two months after their COVID-19 diagnosis."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 11:53:57 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 15:39:42 GMT 1
some good news www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2021/03/10/shropshire-major-hospitals-treating-lowest-number-of-covid-patients-since-november/"The county's major hospitals are currently treating their lowest number of Covid patients since November, more 100 fewer than the January peak, it has been revealed." "It has also emerged that Shrewsbury & Telford Hospital NHS Trust (SaTH), which has been at the centre of the county's fight to save those stricken with the virus, is considering the creation of specialist new facilities to help prevent more patients dying from coronavirus" It comes as a report from Dr Rose, to be considered by the SaTH board tomorrow, outlines how the number of patients admitted during the third wave had been a "significant increase", but that there is "emerging evidence" that the number of deaths had been lower than expected. " dr Rose will tell the board that this may have been a result of "enhanced ventilation techniques" stopping people needing to go into intensive care. Dr Rose has also said that a business case is being developed for the creation of a designated respiratory high dependency unit at the trust."
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