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Post by martinshrew on Feb 23, 2021 18:06:01 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 23, 2021 18:13:51 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. maybe some of our elder folks are having their 2nd jabs, i would imagine this slows the process down, just a guess
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 23, 2021 18:39:12 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. maybe some of our elder folks are having their 2nd jabs, i would imagine this slows the process down, just a guess coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinationsCorrect up to a point, a lot more people had their second jab yesterday but it was still under 20,000 people so doesn’t explain the huge decrease. I suspect it was similar to when they promised to be testing 100,000 people a day earlier in the pandemic, all efforts were focused on hitting a target that there’s a lull afterwards. Hearing worrying reports about incredibly small numbers of people being vaccinated daily at both the Bowls Centre and Telford centre. Whether this is down to supply or administration we don’t know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 18:40:25 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. Was discussed this morning by Matt Hancock, this week has been designed to be slow, mainly due to supply, but also to build in some resilience for later times when the pressure builds for 1st and 2nd vaccine times that will become apparent in about 3 or 4 weeks time. He stated they will be back up to the +400k next week
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 23, 2021 18:51:10 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. maybe some of our elder folks are having their 2nd jabs, i would imagine this slows the process down, just a guess Apparently since we hit the target of all over 70’s and care home residents on 15/02 there’s been a change with GPs concentrating on the under 70s with underlying health Conditions. The vaccination centres are doing the remaining 65s plus by invitations from the NHS direct. Trouble is there’s not enough left to fill the centres. Theres a lot of pressure being put on the NHS by councils and MPs to start to send out invitations to under 65s as there’s spare capacity and wasted vaccines. As soon as they do they’ll be busy again and we’ll see similar or higher daily numbers hopefully.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 23, 2021 18:57:14 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. Wasn't there supposed to be a slowdown in the supply? I'm sure I read that a few weeks ago.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2021 19:10:21 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. Was discussed this morning by Matt Hancock, this week has been designed to be slow, mainly due to supply, but also to build in some resilience for later times when the pressure builds for 1st and 2nd vaccine times that will become apparent in about 3 or 4 weeks time. He stated they will be back up to the +400k next week Pfizer and AstraZenica don't agree with him with regard to supply. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290041/Matt-Hancock-claims-Britains-Covid-vaccine-roll-quiet-week-supply-issues.html
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Post by servernaside on Feb 23, 2021 19:19:30 GMT 1
If he's as 'spot on with his analysis and plans' as he was in discovering Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, we'll all be fine. As I said to someone else who completely missed the point, just because you don't like Blair and are stuck in 2005 doesn't mean his points are incorrect. It matters not whether I like him or not, nor am I stuck in 2005 as you suggest, or indeed missing any 'point'. It matters greatly however that this individual has been historically proven to lack wisdom and judgement on matters of great importance. Why therefore, would anyone pay heed to any pronouncements he now chooses to make on the pandemic?
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 23, 2021 19:53:11 GMT 1
As I said to someone else who completely missed the point, just because you don't like Blair and are stuck in 2005 doesn't mean his points are incorrect. It matters not whether I like him or not, nor am I stuck in 2005 as you suggest, or indeed missing any 'point'. It matters greatly however that this individual has been historically proven to lack wisdom and judgement on matters of great importance. Why therefore, would anyone pay heed to any pronouncements he now chooses to make on the pandemic? Don't suppose you were too keen on Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher then? Both had their moments of lacking wisdom and judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 20:17:40 GMT 1
He certainly did not say supply issues.... he said they wanted to ensure supply was maintained during that crucial period....
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Post by Pilch on Feb 23, 2021 21:28:32 GMT 1
It matters not whether I like him or not, nor am I stuck in 2005 as you suggest, or indeed missing any 'point'. It matters greatly however that this individual has been historically proven to lack wisdom and judgement on matters of great importance. Why therefore, would anyone pay heed to any pronouncements he now chooses to make on the pandemic? Don't suppose you were too keen on Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher then? Both had their moments of lacking wisdom and judgement. still babbling on about thatcher i see, and now churchill, you'll be quoting william pitt the younger next , and you moaned at me dragging blair up last week
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Post by servernaside on Feb 23, 2021 22:10:06 GMT 1
It matters not whether I like him or not, nor am I stuck in 2005 as you suggest, or indeed missing any 'point'. It matters greatly however that this individual has been historically proven to lack wisdom and judgement on matters of great importance. Why therefore, would anyone pay heed to any pronouncements he now chooses to make on the pandemic? Don't suppose you were too keen on Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher then? Both had their moments of lacking wisdom and judgement. I don't recall either of them making public pronouncements on current government policy when they had been out of power for 14 years.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 23, 2021 22:55:23 GMT 1
Don't suppose you were too keen on Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher then? Both had their moments of lacking wisdom and judgement. still babbling on about thatcher i see, and now churchill, you'll be quoting william pitt the younger next , and you moaned at me dragging blair up last week It's history, you can learn from history. For example, with Spanish Flu, there was a second spike, worse than the first - surprise, surprise a less in touch with the science, more cavalier, Boris presided over the same thing happening again. He's more careful now.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 23, 2021 23:06:12 GMT 1
still babbling on about thatcher i see, and now churchill, you'll be quoting william pitt the younger next , and you moaned at me dragging blair up last week It's history, you can learn from history. For example, with Spanish Flu, there was a second spike, worse than the first - surprise, surprise a less in touch with the science, more cavalier, Boris presided over the same thing happening again. He's more carfeful now. good ,you might have learnt that australia and new zealand took the same precautions back then as they have done this time, by simply living on remote islands with not a lot of movement in or out in comparison to the rest of the world ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 23, 2021 23:11:43 GMT 1
It's history, you can learn from history. For example, with Spanish Flu, there was a second spike, worse than the first - surprise, surprise a less in touch with the science, more cavalier, Boris presided over the same thing happening again. He's more carfeful now. good ,you might have learnt that australia and new zealand took the same precautions back then as they have done this time, by simply living on remote islands with not a lot of movement in or out in comparison to the rest of the world ;-) That's more geography, now that Boris has us out of the EU I expect his next vanity project will be to tow us out into the Atlantic so that we can be a remote island.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 23:54:17 GMT 1
Don't suppose you were too keen on Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher then? Both had their moments of lacking wisdom and judgement. I don't recall either of them making public pronouncements on current government policy when they had been out of power for 14 years. In 2005, Thatcher criticised the way the decision to invade Iraq had been made two years previously. Although she still supported the intervention to topple Saddam Hussein, she said that (as a scientist) she would always look for "facts, evidence and proof", before committing the armed forces.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2021 0:52:56 GMT 1
good ,you might have learnt that australia and new zealand took the same precautions back then as they have done this time, by simply living on remote islands with not a lot of movement in or out in comparison to the rest of the world ;-) That's more geography, now that Boris has us out of the EU I expect his next vanity project will be to tow us out into the Atlantic so that we can be a remote island. if i've got this right, i am neutral and you are a big tory hater i've taken every thing on its own merit, you rejected it i've moaned at a few things, you've moaned at everything well apart from the jab, you went out of your way to get it early, you drove like tiger woods to get there, ripped your shirt open like the incredible hulk , and had the jab like amy winehouse i waited until i was called
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 24, 2021 8:28:45 GMT 1
Is it just me or has the daily vaccination total slowed down by a lot? I thought we'd be regularly over 300,000 a day as a minimum. the numbers have dipped this might be related to the issue they had at the telfotd center were they were using the national system which would only take appointments for the cohorts they had indicated this led to at least one day with very low numbers this was rectified by hte local trust moving to a local system, i know some other had been closing early as they had no appointments. i dont what the issues is the goverment blame the drug companies and they deny it but some surgerys did not get the vaccines they were expecting so it might be a combination of both, we cant afford to slow down so let us hope this was just a temporery blip.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 24, 2021 9:04:06 GMT 1
That's more geography, now that Boris has us out of the EU I expect his next vanity project will be to tow us out into the Atlantic so that we can be a remote island. if i've got this right, i am neutral and you are a big tory hater i've taken every thing on its own merit, you rejected it i've moaned at a few things, you've moaned at everything well apart from the jab, you went out of your way to get it early, you drove like tiger woods to get there, ripped your shirt open like the incredible hulk , and had the jab like amy winehouse i waited until i was called Neutral?
For a neutral you spend a hell of a lot of time on here defending every decision made and policy put forward by the Tory party and aim attack after attack at anyone and anything left of centre.
Definitely more of a Franco's Spain neutral than a Switzerland neutral.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2021 9:54:49 GMT 1
That's more geography, now that Boris has us out of the EU I expect his next vanity project will be to tow us out into the Atlantic so that we can be a remote island. if i've got this right, i am neutral and you are a big tory hater i've taken every thing on its own merit, you rejected it i've moaned at a few things, you've moaned at everything well apart from the jab, you went out of your way to get it early, you drove like tiger woods to get there, ripped your shirt open like the incredible hulk , and had the jab like amy winehouse i waited until i was called That would be incorrect on every count then.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 24, 2021 10:37:19 GMT 1
a disturbing but sadly not a suprising article that could easily be predicted, whilst child care is ring fenced budget councils have had years of underfunded and were will the money come from for this extra demand. a bbc report also highighted a surge is cases came from, child poverty and a parent having health problems www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-protection-referrals-lockdown-abuse-b1746017.htmlthis article highlights the hidden damage and cost the lockdowns and covid have had on familys and children; "Children in crisis: Councils say an ‘invisible crisis’ played out during lockdown as social workers warn surge in domestic violence, alcohol abuse and anxiety has put caseloads at an all-time high" "Child protection referrals have surged in the months following the UK’s first lockdown as local councils report an increase in demand for mental health and family services, The Independent can reveal. New data shows more than 630 vulnerable young people a day were being referred to councils’ children’s services in July, August and September – marking an increase of 15 per cent – or 7,518 referrals – compared to the three previous months when schools and services. Social workers told The Independent their caseloads were at an “all-time high”, but that the cases they were seeing of domestic violence, alcohol abuse and anxieties around coronavirus were only the “tip of the iceberg”. Council leaders said they were seeing the effects of an “invisible crisis” that played out over the spring, with particular demand for family services. Almost nine in 10 councils said they were projecting an overspend on their children’s social care budget this year, designed for support and intervention for vulnerable young people.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2021 10:45:14 GMT 1
After people are inoculated against Covid-19, some venues might require customers to carry an official certification, likely to be digital, which states they have had a vaccine. The electronic certificates would be verified by the NHS and stored in a digital wallet on a smartphone, according to IT firm Verifiable Credentials – which claims to have already agreed a deal with at least one UK theatre and cinema complex. The document, combined with a purchased ticket, would generate a QR code that allows prospective customers entry into a venue. Not an attractive option for those of us who don't own a smartphone. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-proof-cinema-venues-b1802729.htmlthat a bit like moaning that requiring a passport to go abroad is unfair on those that dont own a passport those that down own a smart phone can simply buy one they can be less than half the price of a passport
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2021 10:57:50 GMT 1
if i've got this right, i am neutral and you are a big tory hater i've taken every thing on its own merit, you rejected it i've moaned at a few things, you've moaned at everything well apart from the jab, you went out of your way to get it early, you drove like tiger woods to get there, ripped your shirt open like the incredible hulk , and had the jab like amy winehouse i waited until i was called Neutral?
For a neutral you spend a hell of a lot of time on here defending every decision made and policy put forward by the Tory party and aim attack after attack at anyone and anything left of centre.
Definitely more of a Franco's Spain neutral than a Switzerland neutral.
what a bizarre claim, off the top of my head, i was screaming out for compulsory face masks before they even got mentioned on here, i was very critical of how poor our policing powers were in tackling covidiots, i was first to shout down the ida of £500 to all that have to isolate, i was calling for a 2nd lockdown before you, labour or sage!, a meal with a pint was ridiculous, whereas you have just sat there waiting to see what starmer says and repeat it, way back i stated the only way out of this was , vaccine, herd immunity and test at home kits what is your view on the new roadmap ? or will you wait until we find out which bits didnt work and jump on them ? is it too soon maybe ? perhaps make it march 29th 2024 ? why dont you say now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 11:07:04 GMT 1
Every person has the right to either take or not, the vaccine, this can either be from medical advice (Unfortunate) or by choice, the latter holds no sentiment with me if they get excluded from certain things in life through their own choice.
As a private venue, I as the owner, have the absolute right to set the parameters i want to be met before i allow an individual in, and if i think that proving that you have had the vaccine is one of those parameters, then you have no choice but to respect that.
Same as when i employ people, the current people i employ, are covered by contract law, if i was wise enough to place in the contract that all recommendations of Public Health England must be minimum standards, then i would have an absolute right to demand people that are medically able to receive a vaccine must do so, then there is no argument, however if i now state that as a prerequisite of employment from here on in, is a requirement for all adults over the age of 18 should have a vaccine, either already, or when offered, then there is no one in the land who can stop me doing that.
I do not believe in vaccine passports, but am pragmatic enough to see that in the short term, they will be asked for, over time, as this virus is more widely accepted, and there is less media hype and scaremongering going on, then that in time will subside, however i do think it will be a prerequisite for foreign travel from here on in, as yellow fever and TB jabs are a requirement for certain countries already
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 24, 2021 11:40:13 GMT 1
if i've got this right, i am neutral and you are a big tory hater i've taken every thing on its own merit, you rejected it i've moaned at a few things, you've moaned at everything well apart from the jab, you went out of your way to get it early, you drove like tiger woods to get there, ripped your shirt open like the incredible hulk , and had the jab like amy winehouse i waited until i was called Neutral?
For a neutral you spend a hell of a lot of time on here defending every decision made and policy put forward by the Tory party and aim attack after attack at anyone and anything left of centre.
Definitely more of a Franco's Spain neutral than a Switzerland neutral.
That is utter b******s. Pilch has been one of the first to nail the governments handling at most points during the last 12 months.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 24, 2021 11:48:36 GMT 1
Neutral?
For a neutral you spend a hell of a lot of time on here defending every decision made and policy put forward by the Tory party and aim attack after attack at anyone and anything left of centre.
Definitely more of a Franco's Spain neutral than a Switzerland neutral.
That is utter b******s. Pilch has been one of the first to nail the governments handling at most points during the last 12 months. To be fair to Pilch for once I tend to agree with you, I think people are conflating Pilch's support for Brexit with his support for the government which don't always go hand in hand, you can be a brexiteer and not a tory
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2021 12:16:26 GMT 1
After people are inoculated against Covid-19, some venues might require customers to carry an official certification, likely to be digital, which states they have had a vaccine. The electronic certificates would be verified by the NHS and stored in a digital wallet on a smartphone, according to IT firm Verifiable Credentials – which claims to have already agreed a deal with at least one UK theatre and cinema complex. The document, combined with a purchased ticket, would generate a QR code that allows prospective customers entry into a venue. Not an attractive option for those of us who don't own a smartphone. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-proof-cinema-venues-b1802729.htmlthat a bit like moaning that requiring a passport to go abroad is unfair on those that dont own a passport those that down own a smart phone can simply buy one they can be less than half the price of a passport To gain the right to go to another country we have always needed a passport, often needed certain vaccinations. To do anything in Great Britain we don't need anything, you don't even have to carry around your driving licence - long may that continue. Covid passes would not work anyway, if, say a new variant, the "Shawbury" variant got around the virus, then you would need much greater clarity of exactly what your particulat brand of vaccine covered you against (and even then not completely against) - this might even already be the case for the South African variant. We talk of ending restrictions, but the public now have a different mindset, we will continue to wear facemasks inside when we can, we will continue to socially distance from those we don't know. We will choose to go where we feel safe. Combine this with stamping on small outbreaks with Test and Trace and standard Public Health practuces and we won't need passports within Britain - venues that think they could apply rules like this will go bust anyway as people will, as we do in Britain, wonder around without carrying id. There is an alternative to smartphone id though, (I'm not keen on it myself) that is a company proposing no details being used except a vaccine number and a picture of your face - as you went into a venue your face would be scanned and matched to your vaccine number. Facial recognition is used through immigration control, but that is a requirement of the right tp travel abroad, not an imposition on your free movement around Britain.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 24, 2021 12:32:00 GMT 1
That is utter b******s. Pilch has been one of the first to nail the governments handling at most points during the last 12 months. To be fair to Pilch for once I tend to agree with you, I think people are conflating Pilch's support for Brexit with his support for the government which don't always go hand in hand, you can be a brexiteer and not a tory Indeed. As we saw with the collapse of the so-called 'red wall' in the 2019 general election, vast swathes of people who might be described as 'natural Labour voters' voted conservative in order 'to get Brexit done'.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 24, 2021 13:02:27 GMT 1
Can’t see any chance of vaccine passports working, it passes what is essentially a public health issue onto businesses which is a) unfair and b) likely to result in significant numbers of businesses not taking part anyway
In the summer we all probably saw businesses in hospitality that put on lots of extra safety measures to prevent Covid, and other who frankly didn’t bother, and the same would apply for certificates
Hopefully not one the government wastes money on pursuing
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2021 13:06:05 GMT 1
Every person has the right to either take or not, the vaccine, this can either be from medical advice (Unfortunate) or by choice, the latter holds no sentiment with me if they get excluded from certain things in life through their own choice. As a private venue, I as the owner, have the absolute right to set the parameters i want to be met before i allow an individual in, and if i think that proving that you have had the vaccine is one of those parameters, then you have no choice but to respect that. Same as when i employ people, the current people i employ, are covered by contract law, if i was wise enough to place in the contract that all recommendations of Public Health England must be minimum standards, then i would have an absolute right to demand people that are medically able to receive a vaccine must do so, then there is no argument, however if i now state that as a prerequisite of employment from here on in, is a requirement for all adults over the age of 18 should have a vaccine, either already, or when offered, then there is no one in the land who can stop me doing that. I do not believe in vaccine passports, but am pragmatic enough to see that in the short term, they will be asked for, over time, as this virus is more widely accepted, and there is less media hype and scaremongering going on, then that in time will subside, however i do think it will be a prerequisite for foreign travel from here on in, as yellow fever and TB jabs are a requirement for certain countries already Agree with the sentiments, would say though that as a private individual, I can decide not to bother trying to enter your private venue if I don't like your terms. So all venues would have to stick to the same rules. With employment, I doubt you know when you employ if the employee is a smoker, diabetic, etc. or HiV positive, etc. Why should you know if I have had the vaccine? Foreign travel, of course, countries have always expected certain things of you in return for letting you in - again, if you don't like the rules, don't go. I think places like Spain won't push this too much because they want the trade back.
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