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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 17:48:28 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:56:10 GMT 1
Well at least it will ensure people will have had a haircut before they go to the pub 🤡 the loophole covidiots will soon appear pubs offering a substantial haircut with a pint etc No point. Hairdressers will be opening long before pubs. Now a hairdresser who provides a pint while you are having a haircut....
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 22, 2021 18:00:23 GMT 1
Well at least it will ensure people will have had a haircut before they go to the pub 🤡 the loophole covidiots will soon appear pubs offering a substantial haircut with a pint etc There were more loopholes than Oscar Pistorius’ defence. Nobody needs to see the pandemic trivialised by Piers Morgan grilling government ministers on scotch eggs and packs of crisps. Thank God it’s going to be more straightforward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:04:20 GMT 1
I do wish Blair would **** off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:04:29 GMT 1
The problem with the tier system is its open to abuse in that people will travel to areas in the lower tiers. We are saw that with people travelling to us from the likes of Wolves, Manchester, Mid Wales etc. And then of course when people were suggesting travelling to Hereford when they remained (briefly) in tier 2. I'm not sure why Blair is making recommendations but as far as I could see, his approach was very similar to what we had in place prior to this lockdown anyway so hardly revolutionary.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 22, 2021 18:07:18 GMT 1
the loophole covidiots will soon appear pubs offering a substantial haircut with a pint etc No point. Hairdressers will be opening long before pubs. Now a hairdresser who provides a pint while you are having a haircut.... i meant pubs opening up as hairdressers, like they did when they added a marquee and pretended it was outdoors, and then offered a scotch egg to pretend they were a restaurant , buy a pint now and they will snip a bit of hair off your head at the bar, wont help the likes of scooter much ;-)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 22, 2021 18:08:48 GMT 1
Blair’s approach ignores the fact that the Covid mortality rate will be significantly reduced by the vaccines. Pardon the bluntness, but who cares if there’s a level of transmission if a minuscule number are falling ill to it, and those that are are able to be cared for in hospitals with capacity? To that extent it becomes just like any not particularly lethal infection or have I missed something?
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 22, 2021 18:27:24 GMT 1
No fans back before 17th May, and then capped at 10000 or 25%, whichever is lower.
Season finishes on 8th May so unless we make the play offs the chance of any of us seeing live football this season is modest.
That said, indications are there will be 'test events' in April, so fingers crossed we might get to host a few of those like we did vs Northampton in September.
Edit - and this assumes the season will not be extended, which it very well might given not only the fixture pile up, but perhaps pressure from some clubs to finish this season later to at least allow some paying fans.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 22, 2021 19:11:00 GMT 1
Blair’s approach ignores the fact that the Covid mortality rate will be significantly reduced by the vaccines. Pardon the bluntness, but who cares if there’s a level of transmission if a minuscule number are falling ill to it, and those that are are able to be cared for in hospitals with capacity? To that extent it becomes just like any not particularly lethal infection or have I missed something? You may be right. But there are still the variants, against which the vaccines' effectiveness is less established. And there'll be new variants to combat for the foreseeable future. I don't think we're at a stage where we can afford to be blasé about the level of transmission.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 22, 2021 19:11:37 GMT 1
Blair’s approach ignores the fact that the Covid mortality rate will be significantly reduced by the vaccines. Pardon the bluntness, but who cares if there’s a level of transmission if a minuscule number are falling ill to it, and those that are are able to be cared for in hospitals with capacity? To that extent it becomes just like any not particularly lethal infection or have I missed something? The problem with still having transmissions in the community, even a small amount, is the potential for the virus to mutate. Potentially a new variant may emerge which existing vaccines don’t protect against - so worst case situation would be all those currently vaccinated being unprotected in 6 months time, and you could be back to thousands of cases a day again This is what seemed to occur over December where a new variant emerged and spread very rapidly from a low base a few weeks earlier Assuming the virus never goes away the key will be to keep it at such low levels that the potential for mutations greatly reduce, or occur so slowly they can be addressed by new vaccines, which are coming online all the time
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Post by servernaside on Feb 22, 2021 19:26:12 GMT 1
The sour-grapes scaremongering about the efficacy of the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine by some EU leaders, specifically Macron and Merkel, has spectacularly backfired. Their already woeful roll-out of the vaccination programme has now been compounded because many citizens are refusing to have this vaccine. Apparently in Germany out of 1.5 million doses of the vaccine available last week, only 150k were taken up.
I'm guessing most of EU citizens won't receive their vaccinations until the end of the year....the only question is, which year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:55:51 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either; a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice and last but not least; too Tory. On the contrary, it appears, at long last, that he has learned from his previous mistakes. The only ones who seriously criticise this are the 60 Tory backbenchers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 21:02:45 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either; a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice and last but not least; too Tory. On the contrary, it appears, at long last, that he has learned from his previous mistakes. The only ones who seriously criticise this are the 60 Tory backbenchers. I'm not sure you can just say its 60 rebel MP's. Lots of criticism from various sectors across Britain questioning the approach and what support they will get due to them continuing to be closed. But I suspect if you were to poll the country, there would be a larger percentage who are happier to go with a cautious approach
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 21:06:08 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either; a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice and last but not least; too Tory. In much the same way that the usual suspects have made every excuse and brushed under the carpet every glaring government **** up? Actually I wonder what all those tory MPs who have been banging on at Johnson about lockdown will make of it. Anyway, I think it’s actually a good plan. Measured and logical. Hopefully they’re getting the hang of this leadership thing👍
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 21:18:32 GMT 1
The problem with the tier system is its open to abuse in that people will travel to areas in the lower tiers. We are saw that with people travelling to us from the likes of Wolves, Manchester, Mid Wales etc. And then of course when people were suggesting travelling to Hereford when they remained (briefly) in tier 2. I'm not sure why Blair is making recommendations but as far as I could see, his approach was very similar to what we had in place prior to this lockdown anyway so hardly revolutionary. fair enough but i thought it was worth considering ; the real problem is no matter what system they bring in we have a sizable number of people who are not following the guidlines
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 21:24:23 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either; a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice and last but not least; too Tory. On the contrary, it appears, at long last, that he has learned from his previous mistakes. The only ones who seriously criticise this are the 60 Tory backbenchers. Too true . It annoys me immensely that some journalists are pressing for measures to be relaxed even more and at a faster pace which I consider to be ludicrous . As many know I am a Labour supporter and certainly Johnson has made mistakes but I honestly feel that he is at last given up his ludicrous over promising position . He is obviously being cautious and I am grateful for that . The economic situation still needs to be addressed apart from others . The vaccination program continues but surely this does not mean that we have a green light to continue our lives without evaluating each step of Johnsons plan . He himself sees this as the way forward . Loads of issues to discuss but hopefully the beginning of a way out of this pandemic even though we will have to be cautious and continue taking precautionary measures for some time to come.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 22:06:07 GMT 1
let us hope he get it right this time and that people just behave
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2021 9:55:05 GMT 1
'The SAGE scientists have warned that reopening schools could see the Covid 'R' rate rise by as much as 0.5.'
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Let's see how this pans out.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2021 10:10:24 GMT 1
The various tests that will have to be met before each succeeding stage can be launched are obviously commonsensical: that the vaccine rollout continues successfully, that the numbers of new cases fall, that hospital admissions are low enough not to threaten the functioning of the NHS and that there are no new variants that undermine the effectiveness of the vaccines.
But there are no numbers attached to these conditions: since the idea of zero cases, zero hospital admissions and so on is ruled out, what exactly are the acceptable levels of these things for the progressive lifting of restrictions? Without that specific information, surely the Government’s plans can remain as obscure and mysterious as ever?
There is another problem with the “data not dates” mantra. What exactly is the relationship between the two? There were quite a lot of dates in that statement, all provisional, of course. And the only question that would be considered as they arrived was to be, apparently, whether they had to be pushed back. In other words, there is no possibility that the data could be so stunningly good that dates might be brought forward.
What would the country make of it if the expectations of progress were considerably exceeded (as present evidence on vaccine protection suggests might happen) but the Government insisted, nonetheless, to carry on with its ultra-cautious progress through the prescribed steps? Suppose, for example, that by early April, new cases are in the low hundreds and hospital admissions for Covid are negligible? What then?
Do we carry on plodding through the stages on the off chance that a new, vaccine-resistant variant might spring into existence? Can data, in other words, work only one way – to retard the progress towards freedom, but not to accelerate it? Clearly, the Prime Minister wishes to appear scrupulously careful. But how will this very, very gradual easing look if, in a month or so, the prevalence of the virus is so low as to make the remaining restrictions seem absurd and cruel?
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2021 10:22:21 GMT 1
I liked this article in the Telegraph:
'It has been a long winter during which the small pleasure of a pint with friends by a roaring fire in a country pub has been absent. The toll the pandemic has wreaked on the livelihoods of publicans has unarguably been a tragedy. Their customers have suffered too.
For men however, the pub is the focal point of social interaction and until pubs open, many of us remain remote and cut off from our friends. You see, we tend not to meet for coffee, or go clothes shopping together. We do not do Pilates in the park or hook up when we take the kids to the duck pond. We don’t Zoom for chats.
Instead, you can find us bonding in the nooks and crannies of Britain’s pubs, or standing at bars, clutching pints, talking rubbish. These are our rituals, enshrined in us by our fathers and their fathers before them.
‘But you can buy alcohol in shops,’ the uninformed will exclaim. They miss the point entirely. The pub is not about the booze, although the booze is an integral part of the rite. Indeed, sometimes it’s not even about the camaraderie, or the banter with friends.
For many of us there is nothing better than going to a pub alone after work with a newspaper, sitting quietly, nursing a pint and a packet of crisps, gathering our thoughts.
Indeed, come 6pm on a week night in my local, before the youngsters and the pub quizzers arrive, there are always two tribes, the builders who finish work at five and go to the pub before they stumble home, and the contemplative middle agers, who go to decompress at the end of the working day'.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 23, 2021 10:23:19 GMT 1
disapointing news for Bangor hospital , no indication in this article that staff have caught covid, perversly this does give the welsh health service an opportunity to do research on how staff who have been given the vaccination are after working on this ward, obviously many may have only had the one jab, also how did this infection start as i thought all new patients were tested ? i cant imagine they have visitors so obviously this needs to be contained and monitored. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56160872"Ysbyty Gwynedd, in Bangor, said 49 of the 75 coronavirus patients being treated are linked to the outbreak. The hospital's medical director Dr Karen Mottart said testing had begun for staff and patients. "As we continue with a programme of additional testing, we expect to find more cases in patients and staff who are not currently symptomatic," she said. Dr Mottart added: "This approach will help us build an accurate picture of the current situation, enabling us to safely manage patients and prevent any unknown potential transmission."
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 23, 2021 10:42:51 GMT 1
As usual through-out the pandemic Blair's been spot on with his analysis and plans.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 23, 2021 10:45:59 GMT 1
As usual through-out the pandemic Blair's been spot on with his analysis and plans. Are you serious?! Hopefully he crawls back under his rock, horrible person.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 23, 2021 11:13:38 GMT 1
It's a good plan. Now to execute the plan. The first thing, and something those rabid Tory back benchers will probably sieze on, is the finance situation for businesses that haven't been able to do much business for nearly a year. Sunak's got a budget next week, but there are things, like how long the furlough scheme will last and business rate relief extension, that businesses running out of money need to know right now. If the plan works they will need those workers, so will want to be able to keep them on the books through furlough until they do need them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:39:11 GMT 1
irrelevant vile man, nobody wants his opinion anymore. To be honest, i have been fearing the worst over this lockdown pathway, but am surprised and its logical.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 23, 2021 11:54:31 GMT 1
As usual through-out the pandemic Blair's been spot on with his analysis and plans. Are you serious?! Hopefully he crawls back under his rock, horrible person. You can hate the man but it doesn't make his analysis incorrect
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 23, 2021 12:14:23 GMT 1
irrelevant vile man, nobody wants his opinion anymore. To be honest, i have been fearing the worst over this lockdown pathway, but am surprised and its logical. whilst you clearly dont like him, im not a fan but even so i think this seems sensible
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2021 12:15:41 GMT 1
Here's a 1st! Hancock being more negative than Neil Ferguson.
Matt Hancock today slapped down Professor Neil Ferguson after he suggested the government's 'roadmap' out of lockdown could be speeded up if things go well.
The Health Secretary insisted there is no question of the timetable for easing restrictions being upgraded despite the unusually optimistic view from the leading epidemiologist.
Prof Ferguson - whose grim modelling triggered the initial lockdown last year - sounded a bright note on Times Radio last night.
'Hopefully what we'll see when each step happens is a very limited resurgence of infections. In which case, there's a chance we can accelerate the schedule,' he said.
However, Mr Hancock dismissed the idea of speeding the schedule up in a round of interviews this morning. 'No. We need to see the effects of each step, and that takes five weeks,' he said.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 23, 2021 12:22:57 GMT 1
Well we know the road map out of lockdown but for me the worrying thing is we’re starting with the highest risk strategy by opening all schools on one day which will result in 12 million kids being taken to and from school by a variety of parents, grand parents and public transport.... everyone will then meet up before and after school. Older kids will meet their mates for the first time in 3 months and will they really stick to the rules that are still in place.
Testing for every pupils been mentioned but again 2 weeks to test 12 million kids is unlikely.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Feb 23, 2021 12:25:39 GMT 1
irrelevant vile man, nobody wants his opinion anymore. To be honest, i have been fearing the worst over this lockdown pathway, but am surprised and its logical. whilst you clearly dont like him, im not a fan but even so i think this seems sensible He was bang on about the single jab and this seems sensible too. He's certainly shown more decisive leadership during this crisis than either starmer or Johnson for that matter.
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