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Post by shrewder on Feb 22, 2021 12:58:51 GMT 1
It's pretty obvious if the person has learning difficulties, it should hardly need an explanation. dont take this out of all proportion but am i on my own when i see a unhealthy looking pet dog and immediately think the owners are to blame, yes of course the dog might have an illness but forgive me for questioning if jo wileys sister might have been in better health seeing as someone else quite likely makes decisions for her i mean wow, you ask a simple question on here out of concern for someone and WW3 breaks out you defend the town manager WW3 breaks out you post a little banter WW3 breaks out you mentioned anything political WW3 breaks out you even mention a keeper might have done better with a shot and WW3 breaks out you try and add a little humour to the board WW3 breaks out its obvious lockdown is effecting us all, some more than others i just had a text off mr kipling again, he said If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, etc Guess I will leave you to carry on digging a hole for yourself. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 13:05:28 GMT 1
no easy decison for the goverment they cant afford to mess this up. i actually agree with the teachers about a phased return to school rather than just open everything up, especially with new mutaations about.personally i would like to delay opening the schools untill we get more people vaccinated. Actually, at a fundamental level, the decision is easy. The decision is either a political one, or a non-political one.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 22, 2021 13:05:40 GMT 1
scool children coming home with covid had an impact on the nhs as staff then had to isolate as there children had covid. Those NHS staff should all now be at least half vaccinated (except for those refused it but that’s a different problem altogether), and with encouraging evidence that the vaccine makes the virus massively less transmittable, this should be less of an issue.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 22, 2021 13:09:48 GMT 1
dont take this out of all proportion but am i on my own when i see a unhealthy looking pet dog and immediately think the owners are to blame, yes of course the dog might have an illness but forgive me for questioning if jo wileys sister might have been in better health seeing as someone else quite likely makes decisions for her i mean wow, you ask a simple question on here out of concern for someone and WW3 breaks out you defend the town manager WW3 breaks out you post a little banter WW3 breaks out you mentioned anything political WW3 breaks out you even mention a keeper might have done better with a shot and WW3 breaks out you try and add a little humour to the board WW3 breaks out its obvious lockdown is effecting us all, some more than others i just had a text off mr kipling again, he said If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, etc Guess I will leave you to carry on digging a hole for yourself. 😀 guess again im actually digging a hole for you
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 13:38:25 GMT 1
Niko, why is only 1 jab a worry when this is latest about effectiveness? remember they only stated 3 weeks due to the fact that testing was not done over longer periods to ensure they were able to get the vaccine licensed
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Post by mattmw on Feb 22, 2021 13:54:53 GMT 1
Niko, why is only 1 jab a worry when this is latest about effectiveness? remember they only stated 3 weeks due to the fact that testing was not done over longer periods to ensure they were able to get the vaccine licensed From the briefings I’ve seen the initial dose gives only a short term protection of a few weeks, the second dose is needed for the protection to last much longer (and quite how long the second does provides is unknown yet too) The other concern with just one does is that should a new variant emerge which requires a new vaccine, people would in effect need 2 more doses to be protected fully, which would take some time to deliver across the population, not just the over 50s From what I can see the medical experts are very impressed with the vaccine results so far, but fear the emergence of new variants as the key issue to tackle in the next few months. If we do that successfully there is light at the end of the tunnel, if we don’t get it right the vaccine might not be able to continue to offer high levels of protection and we’d head into the winter in a worse situation than winter 2020
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Post by Pilch on Feb 22, 2021 13:57:34 GMT 1
Niko, why is only 1 jab a worry when this is latest about effectiveness? remember they only stated 3 weeks due to the fact that testing was not done over longer periods to ensure they were able to get the vaccine licensed thats bad news, i had the wrong jab
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Post by shrewder on Feb 22, 2021 14:13:13 GMT 1
Guess I will leave you to carry on digging a hole for yourself. 😀 guess again im actually digging a hole for you 👹
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 14:16:08 GMT 1
The key thing to look out for in Boris Johnson’s plan today will be whether it allows for the possibility of faster progress. If we meet targets for reducing the Covid risk earlier than expected, then does the plan offer the flexibility for faster relaxations?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 22, 2021 14:23:47 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 14:50:53 GMT 1
Niko, why is only 1 jab a worry when this is latest about effectiveness? remember they only stated 3 weeks due to the fact that testing was not done over longer periods to ensure they were able to get the vaccine licensed From the briefings I’ve seen the initial dose gives only a short term protection of a few weeks, the second dose is needed for the protection to last much longer (and quite how long the second does provides is unknown yet too) The other concern with just one does is that should a new variant emerge which requires a new vaccine, people would in effect need 2 more doses to be protected fully, which would take some time to deliver across the population, not just the over 50s From what I can see the medical experts are very impressed with the vaccine results so far, but fear the emergence of new variants as the key issue to tackle in the next few months. If we do that successfully there is light at the end of the tunnel, if we don’t get it right the vaccine might not be able to continue to offer high levels of protection and we’d head into the winter in a worse situation than winter 2020 a british company called cobra biologistics has a new vaccine soon to start clinical trials, this is designed to have elements that current vaccines have plus it tagets specifically the areas the new varients has ,what we dont know how long it takes to complete all clinical trials. the crucial this is what the US secretary of state said was to roll out the vaccine to the whole world to reduce the numbers of mutations.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 14:57:11 GMT 1
scool children coming home with covid had an impact on the nhs as staff then had to isolate as there children had covid. Those NHS staff should all now be at least half vaccinated (except for those refused it but that’s a different problem altogether), and with encouraging evidence that the vaccine makes the virus massively less transmittable, this should be less of an issue. whilst the parents who are nhs staff will be protected after vaccinations but would it stop them spreading covid whilst not catching it ? if it did then why are nhs staff who are vaccinated still getting tested for covid? i would assume they would still have to go into self isolation if there children get covid.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 22, 2021 15:01:54 GMT 1
I've seen a suggestion this morning online which I was thinking myself. Boris announces a slow/cautious roll out, and then lets say at Easter the picture looks very different so Boris announces that some restrictions can be lifted earlier afterall. Perhaps wishful thinking, however I do think the government are wary of over promising after the mistakes of last year And surely, this is the whole point: if, as has been intimated, any decision will be guided by " data, not dates", it has to apply both ways: if the data suggests that things are going BETTER than anticipated, then further easing must be brought forward.
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Post by servernaside on Feb 22, 2021 15:41:47 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either;
a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice
and last but not least; too Tory.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 22, 2021 15:45:11 GMT 1
The only certainty in any of this is that the usual suspects on this board will be quick to jump in and criticise whatever is announced later as being either; a) too slow b) too fast c) too confusing d) slavishly following SAGE advice e) ignoring SAGE advice and last but not least; too Tory. Almost goes without saying!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 22, 2021 16:55:25 GMT 1
Anybody watching the House of Commons right now?
Statement from BJ is exactly as the media had leaked, but actually saying the 21st June could see the end of all social distancing is a huge carrot.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 22, 2021 16:56:51 GMT 1
Shameful allowing hairdressers/nail bars/gyms before pubs/restaurants considering there wasn't a spike for multiple months after hospitality started again on July 4th.
Oh well, back to complete normality in 4 months hopefully.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 22, 2021 16:58:13 GMT 1
Shameful allowing hairdressers/nail bars/gyms before pubs/restaurants considering there wasn't a spike for multiple months after hospitality started again on July 4th. Oh well, back to complete normality in 4 months hopefully. Certainly feel at less risk from Covid getting my hair cut than I do in a pub, but gyms are a breeding ground for all disease!
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:06:01 GMT 1
May 17th. 1,000 people or half full permitted at indoor sports venues.
Outdoor venues 4,000 or half full.
June 21st. Restrictions on large events lifted.
Too late for this season then.
But those of us who are cricket fans are in with a shout!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:07:18 GMT 1
Went as expected, I would like to say that the media will scrutinise this roadmap and see how it stacks up under the 'driven by data, not dates', soundbite, however they have done little of that over the last 12 months so don't expect they'll start now.
Like I've said earlier, people will say this is reasonable and some might even say too aggressive, my view is its too slow and feel mislead yet again by a government/SAGE moving the goalposts. The last lockdown was about reducing cases which has happened, it was about vaccinating the most vulnerable which is happening. Lockdown 3 was originally 6 weeks, it will end up being 3 months without being allowed to meet people outside and nearly 5 months without being allowed to meet them inside, whether a house, pub, cafe or restaurant.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 22, 2021 17:10:57 GMT 1
Think the Government have got a lot wrong around Covid over the last 12 months but these new proposals seem reasonably inline with what medical professionals and disease control experts have been suggesting. Some light at the end of the tunnel but still a long way to go yet
The gap between moving to new stages to assess the impact of gradual reopening sounds sensible. Although it will be a big test if we get to stage 2,3 and 4 only to find the data doesn’t back up lifting restrictions further
Will be interesting to see if additional furlough and business support is offered to businesses who have to stay closed for some weeks yet
The other factor will be how well the new testing and track and trace stands up to these new rules. If there are outbreaks it’s really vital track and trace works this time, hopefully lessons have been learned from what went wrong last year with it
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:17:26 GMT 1
I really hope they've factored in that the opening of schools will inevitably result in a spike of cases, and that when that data comes in that it doesn't adversely affect the rest of the programme.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 22, 2021 17:22:01 GMT 1
Shameful allowing hairdressers/nail bars/gyms before pubs/restaurants considering there wasn't a spike for multiple months after hospitality started again on July 4th. Oh well, back to complete normality in 4 months hopefully. Well at least it will ensure people will have had a haircut before they go to the pub 🤡
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:23:16 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:27:48 GMT 1
I really hope they've factored in that the opening of schools will inevitably result in a spike of cases, and that when that data comes in that it doesn't adversely affect the rest of the programme. It was pointed out that 3 weeks after the schools go back, they then break for 2 weeks for Easter so is a good point to see the impact. So dare I say it, good planning by the government
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:32:20 GMT 1
They'll have to move the Snooker World Championship at the Crucible from April 17th to May 17th if they want any spectators!
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Post by northwestman on Feb 22, 2021 17:42:12 GMT 1
Many parents in England will have heaved a sigh of relief that schools are due to reopen on 8 March. But aside from testing pupils on a twice-weekly basis, Boris Johnson has offered no further detail on how transmission in schools will be prevented as part of the government’s roadmap for easing lockdown. As with many aspects of our pandemic response, England’s approach to Covid-19 in schools seems one of dangerous exceptionalism.
While there have been many spirited debates about the precise role that schools play in helping Covid-19 spread, two things are indisputable. First, schools bring people into prolonged physical contact with one another, talking and breathing indoors. Second, Covid-19 is spread primarily through aerosols that spread better in unventilated environments. Pretending that the rules of physics and biology somehow don’t apply in classrooms risks undoing the difficult sacrifices of lockdown.
Jennifer Dowd, Professor of demography and population health at the University of Oxford.
The Guardian.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 22, 2021 17:45:34 GMT 1
in the sky news yeaterday number of infections are really dropping and especially in the last week , i think if this rate could continue it would be better to leave it till Aprils as the numbers of cases is still lot higher than when they opened the schools the last time
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Post by Pilch on Feb 22, 2021 17:47:18 GMT 1
Shameful allowing hairdressers/nail bars/gyms before pubs/restaurants considering there wasn't a spike for multiple months after hospitality started again on July 4th. Oh well, back to complete normality in 4 months hopefully. Well at least it will ensure people will have had a haircut before they go to the pub 🤡 the loophole covidiots will soon appear pubs offering a substantial haircut with a pint etc
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