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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 24, 2020 19:17:21 GMT 1
Fortunately it's not going to be part of tonight's Christmas relaxation announcment, by Gove, that you HAVE to have your in-laws round for Christmss - just that you can if you really want to. They might be best to shield themselves though eh? Hope the rail companies have cottoned on that this year it's best to do the annual "essential engineering work" in normal working time, rather than over the few days of rule relaxation over Christmas The rail companies don't carry out engineering work, essential or otherwise - Network Rail does. Network Rail being a public sector company that operates as a regulated monopoly. Therefore a rail company?
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 24, 2020 19:22:41 GMT 1
The rail companies don't carry out engineering work, essential or otherwise - Network Rail does. Network Rail being a public sector company that operates as a regulated monopoly. Therefore a rail company? [br The term "rail company" refers to a train operating company, which Network Rail is not🤣!
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 24, 2020 19:30:52 GMT 1
Network Rail being a public sector company that operates as a regulated monopoly. Therefore a rail company? [br The term "rail company" refers to a train operating company, which Network Rail is not🤣! If I had meant train operators I would have said train operators, just saying
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 24, 2020 20:04:32 GMT 1
[br The term "rail company" refers to a train operating company, which Network Rail is not🤣! If I had meant train operators I would have said train operators, just saying Network Rail is STILL not a "rail company".... just saying! 🤣
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2020 11:25:09 GMT 1
the oxford vaccine has 100 milion doses of the jab ready to be used,just need to verify the last data with the regulating body. with standered storage they can use the same procdures and supply chain they use for the flue jab.if they also use the army then this is a glimmer of hope. in the good morning interview a scientist with the oxford vaccine the only things he could not answer was how long it would take to clear the final stage and what % of the uptake it would require to contain this virus if such a thing is possible. for any one who has concerns about the vaccine this article might answer some of them www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8984017/PROF-BRENDAN-WREN-fear-Covid-vaccine.htmlBrendan Wren is Professor of Vaccinology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. "Some might argue a sample of even 100,000 people is too small for problems to show up. When vaccination is scaled up, with tens of millions of people in this country — and billions around the world — receiving the jabs, aren’t we more likely to see side-effects emerge? The truth is that both the number and diversity of the volunteers in current vaccine trials is easily large enough in statistical terms to draw firm conclusions." "And while the Covid vaccines have been developed far faster than is usual, there are three very good reasons for that. First, the scale of the threat acted as a tremendous catalyst for swift action, encouraging innovation, ingenuity and creativity — just as World War II fostered pioneering inventions such as the jet engine, radar and computers. Second, scientists from around the world have co-operated to an unprecedented degree, speeding up research. Once China started sharing its vital data on the DNA sequence of the new coronavirus, researchers were swiftly able to identify its ‘spike protein’ and develop targeted measures to counter it. Third, there have been tremendous leaps in the development of vaccines in recent years, especially in the wake of the SARS and MERS epidemics — both strains of coronavirus — that struck Asia and the Middle East in 2002 and 2012 respectively. From the off, our fight against Covid-19 was built on that springboard of knowledge"
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 25, 2020 13:28:19 GMT 1
Having heard Boris defend the indefensible during PMQs today, it's clear that the way this country is being run he should be clearing his desk and going this morning too.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 25, 2020 19:57:52 GMT 1
Having heard Boris defend the indefensible during PMQs today, it's clear that the way this country is being run he should be clearing his desk and going this morning too. That's nothing. You wait until the information as to which Tier everyone is to be placed in is released tomorrow. With Hancock and Whitty having the final say on the selection, I think we can safely assume the worst. Tier 1 will be an endangered species. Local authorities have not been allowed any input, there is no right of appeal, there is no benchmark for anyone to refer to, and the economic consequences are not taken into account. The s**t is about to hit the fan.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 25, 2020 20:01:06 GMT 1
Having heard Boris defend the indefensible during PMQs today, it's clear that the way this country is being run he should be clearing his desk and going this morning too. That's nothing. You wait until the information as to which Tier everyone is to be placed in is released tomorrow. With Hancock and Whitty having the final say on the selection, I think we can safely assume the worst. Tier 1 will be an endangered species. Local authorities have not been allowed any input, there is no right of appeal, there is no benchmark for anyone to refer to, and the economic consequences are not taken into account. The s**t is about to hit the fan. National lockdown renamed and revised just enough to get enough backbenchers on board with it?
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 25, 2020 20:05:52 GMT 1
Meanwile, Rishi admits WE have spent all the money (on preventing the government getting the blame for a health service disaster due to years of Conservative underspending, total unreadyness and work for their chums). Now YOU have to start paying for it.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 25, 2020 22:50:56 GMT 1
That's nothing. You wait until the information as to which Tier everyone is to be placed in is released tomorrow. With Hancock and Whitty having the final say on the selection, I think we can safely assume the worst. Tier 1 will be an endangered species. Local authorities have not been allowed any input, there is no right of appeal, there is no benchmark for anyone to refer to, and the economic consequences are not taken into account. The s**t is about to hit the fan. National lockdown renamed and revised just enough to get enough backbenchers on board with it? Even if a significant number of Tory backbenchers vote against, Starmer's Labour votes will allow Boris to get it through. Labour are the lockdown enthusiasts.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 25, 2020 23:47:57 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8982899/Lockdown-tiers-announced-tomorrow-unjustified-Oxford-scientist-warns.htmlLocal lockdown tiers announced tomorrow may already be outdated and 'unjustified' when England's national shutdown lapses next week because Covid infections are plummeting across the country, according to one of Britain's top infectious disease experts. Just 9,854 new infections were recorded in England yesterday, almost half of the number of diagnoses last Tuesday (18,626). If infections halve again next week, the country will be in the same situation it was prior to the second wave in September, when there were minimal curbs in place. Professor Carl Heneghan, an epidemiologist and expert in evidence-based medicine at the University of Oxford, said 'if the trend continues it will be hard to justify tougher tiered restrictions' when the national lockdown ends on December 2. He underlined the importance of Number 10 being transparent about the criteria it's using to justify Tier Two or Tier Three curbs and urged ministers to lay out exactly what needs to change for high-risk areas to be downgraded amid warnings virtually no-where in England will go into a Tier One. Professor Heneghan told MailOnline: 'By the time we get to December 2 we will be in very different position than we are now, therefore we need to be much more flexible and reactive, and set out clear criteria. '[There is] no point in saying to people 'this is where you are now [in terms of Covid] and you'll be in this tier next week' — we should be explaining to people the two important criteria that should decide which areas go into which tiers – symptomatic cases and hospital rates. 'For instance, say Kent is announced to be in Tier Three [tomorrow] and that it has 50 per cent of hospital beds occupied by Covid patients, you could tell people they have to adjust that to 30 per cent to come out of Tier Three. That's objective criteria.' His comments came as rebel Tory MPs accused the Government of using 'finger in the air' criteria to make the crucial decisions that will have a massive impact on businesses and wider health. Professor Heneghan has proposed creating a dedicated Government website page where residents can track live case and hospital rate and see clearly what adjustments they need to make to their behaviour to come out of the strict curbs. So going by this, we'll be put into Tiers based on information which may already be out of date by December 2nd. No modelling here though. This government has form for making decisions using incorrect or out of date statistics.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 26, 2020 11:39:01 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8988383/STEPHEN-GLOVER-softened-draconian-new-curbs.htmlToday, the Government will unveil its new system of ‘tiers’, which will take effect when the lockdown ends on December 2. There is reason to fear that most of England will be placed under the severe Tier Two or the swingeing Tier Three for weeks, possibly months. We could be sleep-walking into another lockdown not unlike the one from which we are about to emerge, though it will be called something else in the hope that we may be too demob-happy to notice. If Mr Johnson insists on taking most of England into Tier Two and Tier Three, he will meet with opposition from dozens of Tory MPs, and may be unable to get his coercive measures through the Commons without the support of Labour.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 26, 2020 11:43:35 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8988383/STEPHEN-GLOVER-softened-draconian-new-curbs.htmlToday, the Government will unveil its new system of ‘tiers’, which will take effect when the lockdown ends on December 2. There is reason to fear that most of England will be placed under the severe Tier Two or the swingeing Tier Three for weeks, possibly months. We could be sleep-walking into another lockdown not unlike the one from which we are about to emerge, though it will be called something else in the hope that we may be too demob-happy to notice. If Mr Johnson insists on taking most of England into Tier Two and Tier Three, he will meet with opposition from dozens of Tory MPs, and may be unable to get his coercive measures through the Commons without the support of Labour. Regardless of the tier, gyms, hairdressers, all retail etc will be opening, in all likelihood we’ll be T2 so able to go to the football and go out for food. So whilst it’s nowhere near normality it will be a lot easier to get on with than any kind of lockdown. I just hope we can keep our regional figures at such an acceptable level that we never need to escalate up to tier 3. The country will soon be relaxing back to normality (if our government handle the vaccination program with anything approaching competence) and I see tier 2 as a half way back to normality step.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 26, 2020 11:46:39 GMT 1
National lockdown renamed and revised just enough to get enough backbenchers on board with it? Even if a significant number of Tory backbenchers vote against, Starmer's Labour votes will allow Boris to get it through. Labour are the lockdown enthusiasts. I was thinking more the long term than a single vote, old Boris doesn't want a groundswell of Shire Tory backbenchers rubbishing how things are being handled.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 26, 2020 11:46:52 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-messageHancock's former neighbour won Covid test kit work after WhatsApp message. An acquaintance and former neighbour of Matt Hancock is supplying the government with tens of millions of vials for NHS Covid-19 tests despite having had no previous experience of producing medical supplies. Alex Bourne, who used to run a pub close to Hancock’s former constituency home in Suffolk, said he initially offered his services to the UK health secretary several months ago by sending him a personal WhatsApp message.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 26, 2020 12:11:02 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8988383/STEPHEN-GLOVER-softened-draconian-new-curbs.htmlToday, the Government will unveil its new system of ‘tiers’, which will take effect when the lockdown ends on December 2. There is reason to fear that most of England will be placed under the severe Tier Two or the swingeing Tier Three for weeks, possibly months. We could be sleep-walking into another lockdown not unlike the one from which we are about to emerge, though it will be called something else in the hope that we may be too demob-happy to notice. If Mr Johnson insists on taking most of England into Tier Two and Tier Three, he will meet with opposition from dozens of Tory MPs, and may be unable to get his coercive measures through the Commons without the support of Labour. Regardless of the tier, gyms, hairdressers, all retail etc will be opening, in all likelihood we’ll be T2 so able to go to the football and go out for food. So whilst it’s nowhere near normality it will be a lot easier to get on with than any kind of lockdown. I just hope we can keep our regional figures at such an acceptable level that we never need to escalate up to tier 3. The country will soon be relaxing back to normality (if our government handle the vaccination program with anything approaching competence) and I see tier 2 as a half way back to normality step. Tier 2 = maximum of 2,000 spectators.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 12:21:59 GMT 1
I know it’s not like me, so forgive me for talking all “football” and stuff, but has it been announced yet if fans will be allowed in for Wednesdays game against Accrington?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 26, 2020 12:24:30 GMT 1
I know it’s not like me, so forgive me for talking all “football” and stuff, but has it been announced yet if fans will be allowed in for Wednesdays game against Accrington? You could check online, but the websites crashed... I imagine confirmation will be imminent though. Manchester in tier 3 and London in tier 2, despite London having a greater R rate, fishy that
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 26, 2020 12:26:13 GMT 1
I know it’s not like me, so forgive me for talking all “football” and stuff, but has it been announced yet if fans will be allowed in for Wednesdays game against Accrington? Allolwed? The way we are playing it might be made compulsory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 12:28:06 GMT 1
We are in tier 2 apparently
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Nov 26, 2020 12:38:27 GMT 1
Only a handful of places in Tier 1 - one being Cornwall.
Vast majority of counties and boroughs in Tier 2.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 26, 2020 13:01:47 GMT 1
No League Clubs in Cornwall, Isle of Wight or Scilly Isles.
These are the ONLY areas left in Tier 1.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 26, 2020 17:01:49 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989961/What-tier-Document-attempts-explain-curbs-area-England.htmlNumber 10 today published a breakdown of England's lockdown tiers in a desperate attempt to justify the brutal curbs to the public as Boris Johnson announced all but three places of the country will be plunged into the toughest brackets. The document, released as it emerged almost 99 per cent of the population will be living in some form of lockdown when the national intervention finally ends on December 2, vaguely details why different restrictions were allocated to each area but doesn't reveal the exact thresholds behind making the decisions. But officials insisted it was ’not possible to set rigid thresholds’ for the five indicators used to judge which areas need tougher measures, meaning local officials will be left in the dark about how to escape the curbs unless they are told exactly what is needed in behind-closed-doors meetings.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 27, 2020 14:54:30 GMT 1
The UK establishment is shameless.
It is ridiculous that the PM just sacked a man (Cummings) who is married to a women who is a commissioning editor on a magazine (the Spectator) where James Forsyth is political editor. Forsyth's best man was this PM's chancellor (Sunak), and the woman he married (Allegra Stratton) is the current press secretary to the PM.
You quite literally couldn't make it up.
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 27, 2020 15:36:50 GMT 1
The UK establishment is shameless. It is ridiculous that the PM just sacked a man (Cummings) who is married to a women who is a commissioning editor on a magazine (the Spectator) where James Forsyth is political editor. Forsyth's best man was this PM's chancellor (Sunak), and the woman he married (Allegra Stratton) is the current press secretary to the PM. You quite literally couldn't make it up. I confess that it is beyond my powers of imagination to conceive of a scenario where you would credit a Conservative government with getting ANYTHING right; I think we are in agreement that the government has made mistakes, but that is true of every government that has ever existed: your constant search for error, at the expense of nuance and realism does you few favours, and is boring and somewhat predictable. I am tempted to suggest that if you can't find anything positive to say, then say nowt, and that DOESN'T mean that I want to "cancel" you!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 27, 2020 15:41:43 GMT 1
The UK establishment is shameless. It is ridiculous that the PM just sacked a man (Cummings) who is married to a women who is a commissioning editor on a magazine (the Spectator) where James Forsyth is political editor. Forsyth's best man was this PM's chancellor (Sunak), and the woman he married (Allegra Stratton) is the current press secretary to the PM. You quite literally couldn't make it up. I confess that it is beyond my powers of imagination to conceive of a scenario where you would credit a Conservative government with getting ANYTHING right; I think we are in agreement that the government has made mistakes, but that is true of every government that has ever existed: your constant search for error, at the expense of nuance and realism does you few favours, and is boring and somewhat predictable. I am tempted to suggest that if you can't find anything positive to say, then say nowt, and that DOESN'T mean that I want to "cancel" you! I'm busy researching as to what is meant by 'substantial meal' at the moment, so to a degree I'm subject to a distraction.
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 27, 2020 15:53:55 GMT 1
I confess that it is beyond my powers of imagination to conceive of a scenario where you would credit a Conservative government with getting ANYTHING right; I think we are in agreement that the government has made mistakes, but that is true of every government that has ever existed: your constant search for error, at the expense of nuance and realism does you few favours, and is boring and somewhat predictable. I am tempted to suggest that if you can't find anything positive to say, then say nowt, and that DOESN'T mean that I want to "cancel" you! I'm busy researching as to what is meant by 'substantial meal' at the moment, so to a degree I'm subject to a distraction. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - good luck with that one.Seriously! "Substantial" is a relative term. and incapable of strict comparison, other than by adding either "more" or "less" to it
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 28, 2020 8:51:47 GMT 1
my daughter works as a paramedic in the south of England it was a hot spot in the first wave , at the ambulance station she workes at they had no PPE in the first wave for some time she was the only paramedic in her station to not get catch covid and at same time half the paramedics in the region were self isolating with covid.staff were thrown under a bus and expected to work in a panademic with no protection.this went on for some time at some point this goverment and the indivduals responsible for so many unecessary deaths should be held accountable(but they wont will they)
in this spike they do have the right PPE , and specailst masks they still dont have enough respieator type masks all the paramedics in london were issued with these as they give you the highest level of protection for an airborn virus .
she has lost friends to covid and seen others develop long covid and that is why i cant stand to see the sage advissors, health secretary or Boris on the tv. equally i am frustrated at the lack of an effective opposition they should be highlighting the blatent nepotisim and incompetene of this goverment.equally it is why i have a been in my bonnet about this pandemic and this goverments handling of it.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 28, 2020 12:03:33 GMT 1
Mr Gove’s intervention today is the strongest defence yet of the government’s strategy. He revealed that the decision to impose a four-week national lockdown was taken after scientists warned that the lockdown rules were not enough to prevent the NHS from being “physically overwhelmed”. “Every bed, every ward occupied. All the capacity built in the Nightingales and requisitioned from the private sector too. The numbers infected with Covid-19 and requiring a bed would displace all but emergency cases. And then even those,” he writes.
Mr Gove said that MPs should not fall for “comfortable evasions” that things were now different or put their constituencies ahead of the national interest. “When the country is facing such a national crisis, the truth is that all of us who have been elected to parliament, not just ministers, must take responsibility for difficult decisions,” he writes.
“Covid-19 is no respecter of constituency boundaries and the hardships we are facing now are unfortunately necessary to protect every single one of us, no matter where we live.”
Mr Gove described the new restrictions that will see the vast majority of the country in tougher tiers as “grimly, inevitably, necessary” to prevent the NHS from being unable to treat emergency patients.
He rejected suggestions that the measures were economically damaging, arguing that without them “the economy would grind to a halt” as a terrified population stayed at home rather than risked going without care.
The Times.
Methinks his fellow M.P.s will be wanting to see some clear stats to back these statements up, otherwise it will be dismissed as pure hyperbole designed to get them onside.
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 28, 2020 12:19:49 GMT 1
if our government handle the vaccination program with anything approaching competence How do rate the chances of that happening?
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