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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 12:34:50 GMT 1
73 and fit as a flea, or 70 and tubby, the main thing is to enjoy life and keep learning. Not sure sometimes how being a Town fan fits in with enjoying every minute.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 12:37:22 GMT 1
I do buy hard copies of the papers, but my exercise consists of pointing the car in the right direction of the newsagents and offloading my partner to purchase the required reading material. However, I've been delayed this morning, as I've had to wait for the ice to melt from the windscreen. No chance whatsoever of me scr@ping it off! try walking, it only takes a good 6 weeks to get to the point where you feel like you could walk forever do 2500 steps for 2 weeks which is maybe 40 minutes at most keep upping it until after about 6-8 weeks you'll be comfortably doing 10,000 ps you'll have all sorts of aches and pains for the first 6 weeks but trust me they stop Except my heel has got me limping about at the moment - too much walking
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 23, 2020 12:39:38 GMT 1
may i suggest you unregister from all online newspapers and instead walk to the shops and buy a hard copy instead ;-) I do buy hard copies of the papers, but my exercise consists of pointing the car in the right direction of the newsagents and offloading my partner to purchase the required reading material. However, I've been delayed this morning, as I've had to wait for the ice to melt from the windscreen. No chance whatsoever of me scr@ping it off! I recommend buying a Ford. The heated front screen is brilliant. Just need to get one for the missus now, I still have to scr@pe hers every time we have a bloody frost.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 12:42:14 GMT 1
I do buy hard copies of the papers, but my exercise consists of pointing the car in the right direction of the newsagents and offloading my partner to purchase the required reading material. However, I've been delayed this morning, as I've had to wait for the ice to melt from the windscreen. No chance whatsoever of me scr@ping it off! I recommend buying a Ford. The heated front screen is brilliant. Just to get one for the missus now, I still have t scr@pe hers every time we have a bloody frost. give her the use of your credit card its handy for scraping ice off the windscreen ;-)
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 23, 2020 13:49:26 GMT 1
73 and fit as a flea, or 70 and tubby, the main thing is to enjoy life and keep learning. Not sure sometimes how being a Town fan fits in with enjoying every minute. I decided to ride my bike on Saturday afternoon instead of watching the game. My mental health benefited more than my physical well being.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 23, 2020 14:51:03 GMT 1
The problem is the virus doesn't always follow the rules.
I haven't mention before the experience family members have had over the last 3 weeks as its been touch and go...
Dave and Maria my Brother and Sister in law live in Chorley. Daves 54 and Maria 52, Daves a bit overweight but nowhere near server, he cycles 30 / 40 miles at weekends and does coast to coast cycle rides
They started with a heavy cold about 3 weeks ago just like we'd call a touch of flue with aching joints. Maria also had a severe headache. They tried 3 times to get a test (their son and daughter in law tested positive and they child mind grandson) but were refused due to the wrong symptoms. In the end they lied and both tested positive. Dave went down hill till it got to the stage they were desperate but refused help from Doctor, 111 and even 999...... not severe enough though he was gasping for every breath...
In the end on one call ( not sure who to) Maria was told the only way to get him into a hospital was for her to put him in the car and take him herself although she was very unwell. So she did having to scream out of the window for help when they arrived at the hospital. Within an hour he was in intensive care with an oxygen 'bubble' over his head. The next day he was put into an induced coma on a ventilator where he stayed for 8 days till yesterday. After one failed attempt on Friday they have managed to get him off the ventilator and breathing with an oxygen mask but too weak to even speak. Its uncertain if heel need to go back on ventilator or ever fully recover.
Im telling you this because when family are going through hell it been difficult to read some of the 'just get on with life' comments and inferences that it no worse that the flue.
On a brighter note my wifes late husband's mother has dementia and is in a nursing home in Accrington. She tested positive about a month ago after an outbreak in the home that cost 3 lives. Although having a positive test she's shown no other symptoms and is now clear. She's 87.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 15:09:13 GMT 1
Like I said, play fast and loose with Covid and it's russian roulette, you may have minor symptoms, you may be in big trouble.
I think of it like smoking, some will say "smoked for 50 years and perfectly ok", while others......
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 23, 2020 15:26:55 GMT 1
Let's face it..... whoever said that Life's a lottery was spot-on, and there's nowt we can do about it, except at the margins.... yes - those fine margins (again)
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 15:33:38 GMT 1
I fear that Shropshire will now be placed in Tier 2.
Not in the slightest bothered about mixing with other households, but very concerned that they'll tag on to Tier 2 the 'substantial meal' requirement to being allowed to have a beer in a pub, whilst restricting those persons in Tier 3 to takeaways only.
We shall get some idea as to what Boris has in mind this afternoon, but they aren't going to tell us which Tier we are in until Thursday!
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 15:50:50 GMT 1
Will Boris look into allowing independent shops to make some money. A newsagent can open, but a card shop cannot. Supermarkets can sell clothes, but clothes shops cannot. Surely it would be better to let people spread themselves out accross the High Street, people know now to only go in shops if they feel their safety is a priority, otherwise just shop online. Same with pubs and restaurants, people know that go into crowded bars that don't stick to the rules and you catch Covid.
Other thing Boris needs to consider: The five day xmas break, be careful, or it will end up with crowded public transport on the first and last day as people travel for Christmas.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 16:26:41 GMT 1
I fear that Shropshire will now be placed in Tier 2. Not in the slightest bothered about mixing with other households, but very concerned that they'll tag on to Tier 2 the 'substantial meal' requirement to being allowed to have a beer in a pub, whilst restricting those persons in Tier 3 to takeaways only. We shall get some idea as to what Boris has in mind this afternoon, but they aren't going to tell us which Tier we are in until Thursday! Definition of 'substantial meal'. Plus guidelines. www.local.gov.uk/very-high-alert-level-tier-3-regulations
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 16:47:26 GMT 1
Well now we have the answer. Tier 2 = substantial meal.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 17:11:16 GMT 1
So, Boris avoids the question as to if Trace has been improved during lockdown - clearly it hasn't.
What a mess!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 17:25:18 GMT 1
From what Boris has said, they will be applying the Tiers regionally rather than by locality.
If that means us being lumped in with the 'West Midlands', we'll certainly be in Tier 2 and be very fortunate to avoid being in Tier 3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 17:33:01 GMT 1
Well now we have the answer. Tier 2 = substantial meal. My initial thought is that is ridiculous, and even though I feel that pubs/restaurants are being unfairly targeted, I can understand the logic here. What the powers that be are presumably trying to prevent is lots of drunkenness and mass movement of people, ie pub crawls. So saying you can go to the pub but only for a meal will a) reduce the numbers going out b) reduce the chances of people sitting there drinking and c) prevent people from going from pub to pub Of course there could be some well off people who want to go on a pub crawl and buy a meal in each pub, I like a pub crawl as much as the next person but dont think I'm willing to splash out on a main meal in each pub!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 17:43:37 GMT 1
Well now we have the answer. Tier 2 = substantial meal. My initial thought is that is ridiculous, and even though I feel that pubs/restaurants are being unfairly targeted, I can understand the logic here. What the powers that be are presumably trying to prevent is lots of drunkenness and mass movement of people, ie pub crawls. So saying you can go to the pub but only for a meal will a) reduce the numbers going out b) reduce the chances of people sitting there drinking and c) prevent people from going from pub to pub Of course there could be some well off people who want to go on a pub crawl and buy a meal in each pub, I like a pub crawl as much as the next person but dont think I'm willing to splash out on a main meal in each pub! Apparently, there is nothing in the regulations to prevent a pub landlord providing a 'substantial meal' for free or for next to nothing in order to attract customers.. A big pan of stew plus chips should suffice!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 18:02:49 GMT 1
My initial thought is that is ridiculous, and even though I feel that pubs/restaurants are being unfairly targeted, I can understand the logic here. What the powers that be are presumably trying to prevent is lots of drunkenness and mass movement of people, ie pub crawls. So saying you can go to the pub but only for a meal will a) reduce the numbers going out b) reduce the chances of people sitting there drinking and c) prevent people from going from pub to pub Of course there could be some well off people who want to go on a pub crawl and buy a meal in each pub, I like a pub crawl as much as the next person but dont think I'm willing to splash out on a main meal in each pub! Apparently, there is nothing in the regulations to prevent a pub landlord providing a 'substantial meal' for free or for next to nothing in order to attract customers.. A big pan of stew plus chips should suffice! Yep, has already been done metro.co.uk/2020/10/23/pub-landlord-starts-selling-meals-for-1p-to-stay-open-in-tier-3-lockdown-13467746/
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 18:09:33 GMT 1
thats the trouble with out country, people are always looking to cheat the system
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 23, 2020 18:12:01 GMT 1
Will it be Shrewsbury & Atcham, Shropshire or West Midlands as a region, does anybody know? Can't see us being lucky enough to stay in Tier 1.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 18:13:12 GMT 1
The Council must be seething that he's done this. Typical of a Council that they stopped him providing the food for free. Nice response by him!
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 18:15:59 GMT 1
The Council must be seething that he's done this. Typical of a Council that they stopped him providing the food for free. Nice response by him! My order? I'll just have the meal please.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 23, 2020 18:18:10 GMT 1
Funny how Boris often misses PMQs and now his broadband goes down when the questions start this afternoon.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 19:05:52 GMT 1
i just caught the bbc news, the headlines, the oxford vaccinne works, the government have 100M on order and will be selling it all over the world, its easy to store and transport
buy hey, lets moan about boris and his broadband, lets complain about a pint and a meal
dear o dear
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 19:56:40 GMT 1
i just caught the bbc news, the headlines, the oxford vaccinne works, the government have 100M on order and will be selling it all over the world, its easy to store and transport buy hey, lets moan about boris and his broadband, lets complain about a pint and a meal dear o dear very good news especially as it has proven to boost t cells with the elderly and is 90% effective with two injections.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 19:57:53 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8977079/Government-paying-1million-DAY-store-10-000-shipping-containers-PPE-Felixstowe.html"The Government is paying £1million a DAY to store 10,000 shipping containers full of PPE at Felixstowe port despite warnings NHS are still desperately short of masks, gloves and aprons. Around 11,000 containers full of PPE were being kept in the Suffolk port yard last week attracting sky-high fees, despite a continued lack of protection equipment available for NHS workers, reports The Telegraph. The fees are designed to stop importers using the port yard for long term storage, but despite this millions of aprons, masks and gloves destined for the NHS have been sat in the port since August."
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 23, 2020 20:02:08 GMT 1
i just caught the bbc news, the headlines, the oxford vaccinne works, the government have 100M on order and will be selling it all over the world, its easy to store and transport buy hey, lets moan about boris and his broadband, lets complain about a pint and a meal dear o dear All fair enough apart from one thing. Given the incompetent way the virus has been handled here right from the off I'm not sure we should believe anything they say! Masks are useless/wear a mask, Ventilator scandal, PPE scandal, didn't we buy a vaccine months ago that was meant to work (or was that just a dream?), built Nightingale Hospitals but now being told there's know staff to man them, and probably lots more if I looked it up! And now we have a couple of vaccines from Pfizer and Astrazeneca that apparently do work. I will have it, of course, I'm fit and well (but asthmatic) and will wait my turn. But I'm in no rush! I am concerned that the checks aren't thorough enough and what we're actually being injected with could be harmful for those of us 'not too much' at risk. Worth it for the vulnerable, but this does appear to be a 'rush job' and probably the most lucrative exploration since the US Gold Rush! It's worth getting this right, we don't want it to cause more harm than good for those who would've fought off the virus. Yes, in the interim people would sadly die, but how many could die if they get this wrong?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 20:20:45 GMT 1
i just caught the bbc news, the headlines, the oxford vaccinne works, the government have 100M on order and will be selling it all over the world, its easy to store and transport buy hey, lets moan about boris and his broadband, lets complain about a pint and a meal dear o dear All fair enough apart from one thing. Given the incompetent way the virus has been handled here right from the off I'm not sure we should believe anything they say! Masks are useless/wear a mask, Ventilator scandal, PPE scandal, didn't we buy a vaccine months ago that was meant to work (or was that just a dream?), built Nightingale Hospitals but now being told there's know staff to man them, and probably lots more if I looked it up! And now we have a couple of vaccines from Pfizer and Astrazeneca that apparently do work. I will have it, of course, I'm fit and well (but asthmatic) and will wait my turn. But I'm in no rush! I am concerned that the checks aren't thorough enough and what we're actually being injected with could be harmful for those of us 'not too much' at risk. Worth it for the vulnerable, but this does appear to be a 'rush job' and probably the most lucrative exploration since the US Gold Rush! It's worth getting this right, we don't want it to cause more harm than good for those who would've fought off the virus. Yes, in the interim people would sadly die, but how many could die if they get this wrong? but you are falling for your own advice certain ppe was standard when ordered, but with covid science moving so fast by in the time it took from ordering to arriving we needed to step up to a higher level of ppe, its good that we did that, i would guess many countries would make do, i would also imagine this now 'excess' ppe will still get used when normality resumes thats if its not already being used where appropriate and yet all we heard from the usual few was blah blah blah, wrong ppe, waste of money sack someone and today, for me whether right or fake news its all i have to go on and i'll keep and open mind but it will be a more optimistic one
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Post by servernaside on Nov 23, 2020 21:00:57 GMT 1
All fair enough apart from one thing. Given the incompetent way the virus has been handled here right from the off I'm not sure we should believe anything they say! Masks are useless/wear a mask, Ventilator scandal, PPE scandal, didn't we buy a vaccine months ago that was meant to work (or was that just a dream?), built Nightingale Hospitals but now being told there's know staff to man them, and probably lots more if I looked it up! And now we have a couple of vaccines from Pfizer and Astrazeneca that apparently do work. I will have it, of course, I'm fit and well (but asthmatic) and will wait my turn. But I'm in no rush! I am concerned that the checks aren't thorough enough and what we're actually being injected with could be harmful for those of us 'not too much' at risk. Worth it for the vulnerable, but this does appear to be a 'rush job' and probably the most lucrative exploration since the US Gold Rush! It's worth getting this right, we don't want it to cause more harm than good for those who would've fought off the virus. Yes, in the interim people would sadly die, but how many could die if they get this wrong? but you are falling for your own advice certain ppe was standard when ordered, but with covid science moving so fast by in the time it took from ordering to arriving we needed to step up to a higher level of ppe, its good that we did that, i would guess many countries would make do, i would also imagine this now 'excess' ppe will still get used when normality resumes thats if its not already being used where appropriate and yet all we heard from the usual few was blah blah blah, wrong ppe, waste of money sack someone and today, for me whether right or fake news its all i have to go on and i'll keep and open mind but it will be a more optimistic one Quite right Pilch. Many of the 'criticisms' contained on this board are driven purely by political malice.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 21:01:56 GMT 1
the nhs have now started to use a self test it gives the staff a result in 30 minutes, this is so staff can self test twice a week and each kit has enough tests for 12 weeks which is a big step in the right direction as it means it avoids the issues with testing sight problems and lack of availabilty were nhs staff were having to self isolate because they could not get tested.this also frees up lab time bearing in mind there are nearly 300,000 nurses in the uk.
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 23, 2020 21:19:01 GMT 1
All fair enough apart from one thing. Given the incompetent way the virus has been handled here right from the off I'm not sure we should believe anything they say! Masks are useless/wear a mask, Ventilator scandal, PPE scandal, didn't we buy a vaccine months ago that was meant to work (or was that just a dream?), built Nightingale Hospitals but now being told there's know staff to man them, and probably lots more if I looked it up! And now we have a couple of vaccines from Pfizer and Astrazeneca that apparently do work. I will have it, of course, I'm fit and well (but asthmatic) and will wait my turn. But I'm in no rush! I am concerned that the checks aren't thorough enough and what we're actually being injected with could be harmful for those of us 'not too much' at risk. Worth it for the vulnerable, but this does appear to be a 'rush job' and probably the most lucrative exploration since the US Gold Rush! It's worth getting this right, we don't want it to cause more harm than good for those who would've fought off the virus. Yes, in the interim people would sadly die, but how many could die if they get this wrong? but you are falling for your own advice certain ppe was standard when ordered, but with covid science moving so fast by in the time it took from ordering to arriving we needed to step up to a higher level of ppe, its good that we did that, i would guess many countries would make do, i would also imagine this now 'excess' ppe will still get used when normality resumes thats if its not already being used where appropriate and yet all we heard from the usual few was blah blah blah, wrong ppe, waste of money sack someone and today, for me whether right or fake news its all i have to go on and i'll keep and open mind but it will be a more optimistic one Yep, like I said I will be having it, but I'm less in a hurry than many and will do so not fully comfortable than what's being injected into me isn't worse than having the disease. The PPE issue shows that we 'just rushed it'. We went with what we thought, but how much advice we took is a mystery. If there was advice, it wasn't very good advice, and quite possibly from the greatest medical brains out there. I will be worried, especially as the chances of Covid making me gravely ill, are very low.
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