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Post by Valerioch on Nov 3, 2019 20:33:52 GMT 1
People like Mike Ashley shouldn’t be punished for having the audacity to make a success of their lives, and working damn hard for it to build from nothing. Gonna sound really selfish now, but people like me shouldn’t be punished for wanting to care for the sick, and the dying. Yet the tories decided the best thing to do was to cut nurses wages by 14% over the last 8 years rather than making vultures like Ashley pay a bit extra on his taxes and profits whilst building up a massive fortune based partly on paying his employees a pittance. Forgive me for not having a great deal of sympathy for him. Especially as I’m pretty sure you’ll appreciate the service we provide more than Ashley’s, if your appendix ruptures? You won’t find me disputing the great job nurses do and that they deserve more for it
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Post by mattmw on Nov 3, 2019 20:55:36 GMT 1
The fact the Labour Party wishes to lower the Nil Rate Band on IHT to just £125,000 is an abomination to the working man they claim to stand for. Work hard but we will tax you not once but twice, the second time on your grieving family. Matron correctly mentioned above millions of hard working people aren’t effected by IHT. If Labour enforce that policy those millions would soon face IHT I don't think that is actually Labour policy yet though is it? The idea behind reforming the system was listed in the Land For the Many report commissioned earlier this year which sets out a range of possible policies landforthemany.uk/We'll need to see the manifesto when it comes out but that change to inheritence tax wasn't in the 2017 Labour manifesto. Even if the new inheritance tax was introduced as outlined in the report it would also be paid at their standard tax rate people pay. So those earning less than £12,500 wouldn't pay a tax and and those under £50K earnings would pay 20% on inheritance over £125,000. Its only those earning over £50,000 annually who would pay the 40% rate (assuming income tax levels stay the same). The basis of the Land For the Many report is to try and bring some equality to the housing market. The two main ways to do that are undertake a massive growth in house building - which as the Shrewsbury House building thread shows - isn't always a popular option. Or look at ways to use the tax system to reduce the increase in house prices and make it easier for young people to get secure housing as a reasonable cost.
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Nov 3, 2019 21:12:11 GMT 1
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 3, 2019 21:12:11 GMT 1
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Nov 3, 2019 21:17:13 GMT 1
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Post by salop27 on Nov 3, 2019 21:17:13 GMT 1
It's 2019, I'm sure some ladies might be reading this as well.....
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 3, 2019 21:28:36 GMT 1
It's 2019, I'm sure some ladies might be reading this as well..... It's an idiom deployed for the purposes of levity and satire, sadly lost on you. But no doubt deflection serves you well. So back to your leader's latest misleading statement, you're not bothered?
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 3, 2019 21:38:11 GMT 1
The fact the Labour Party wishes to lower the Nil Rate Band on IHT to just £125,000 is an abomination to the working man they claim to stand for. Work hard but we will tax you not once but twice, the second time on your grieving family. Matron correctly mentioned above millions of hard working people aren’t effected by IHT. If Labour enforce that policy those millions would soon face IHT That's one supposed move they won't get away with. Leaving your home to the kids should be taken for granted (and not subject to being sold off to pay for care for those that need it either). But once you have passed somewhere round the £500,000 mark then the kids need to make it themselves.
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 3, 2019 23:55:30 GMT 1
It's 2019, I'm sure some ladies might be reading this as well.....
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 4, 2019 0:36:01 GMT 1
The thought of the Communists like McDonell raising Corporation Tax to 25+% is very worrying. A far bigger threat to business in this country than any form of Brexit Why? Until recently, the US corporate tax rate was close to 40% (and even in Trumptopia it's still higher than the UK at 21%). Germany, France and Australia sit at around 30%. Canada is 26.5%. All of these countries manage fine. Better than us in fact; maybe there's something in that? Low tax rates are really for countries with low populations who can survive by attracting a comparatively small amount of large businesses with attractive rates. The model doesn't really work for a country with a population edging towards 70m.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2019 7:15:07 GMT 1
This is an interview on The Andrew Neil Interviews back in 2017 where in part Corbyn is discussing the IRA and his attendance at Republican/IRA events...
People can make their own minds up of course but when people specifically point to Corbyn as to why they will not vote Labour it is perfectly understandable as to why they would not do so. That anyone thinks different is beyond me...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2019 7:49:37 GMT 1
How many times did Labour inform us the UK will be leaving the EU; that they would respect the result of the referendum, that a second referendum was not an option? Labour informed us that when the UK leaves the EU freedom of movement would come to an end, at their recent conference they decided to 'expand' freedom of movement. That was all said in order to get people to vote for Labour in 2017. They all lie.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2019 8:54:25 GMT 1
Regarding the billionaires, I think there is the concern that they might just up sticks and head off some place else. And of course there is also the possibility that it would see others reluctant to come to the UK. Lets not forget that there is a 1% that contributes 27% of income tax (I think that's right anyhow). How it work out if you go after those who contribute that 27%, who can tell...I think we are still waiting on the full details from Labour. However, France under Hollande tried something along the same lines (not exactly sure how close Labour's plans will be when looking to the thresholds) and it resulted in very little revenue and it meant one or two simply went somewhere else (I think there was a fair few who ended up in London). Of course that then means someone else is left to pick up the loss. Its not as easy as just hitting them with higher taxes. France quickly dropped this because of what came about as a result. Other will be more than happy to accommodate them, their wealth and their contribution.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 4, 2019 9:57:41 GMT 1
This is an interview on The Andrew Neil Interviews back in 2017 where in part Corbyn is discussing the IRA and his attendance at Republican/IRA events... People can make their own minds up of course but when people specifically point to Corbyn as to why they will not vote Labour it is perfectly understandable as to why they would not do so. That anyone thinks different is beyond me... We are voting for our local MPs, so I find it bizarre that people in Shrewsbury won't vote for the local labour candidate because the Labour leader supposedly having links to terrorism, but the local standing MP here has regularly spoken out in favour of Saudi Arabia which had rather more!
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2019 10:04:11 GMT 1
The fact the Labour Party wishes to lower the Nil Rate Band on IHT to just £125,000 is an abomination to the working man they claim to stand for. Work hard but we will tax you not once but twice, the second time on your grieving family. Matron correctly mentioned above millions of hard working people aren’t effected by IHT. If Labour enforce that policy those millions would soon face IHT It's disgusting. If you're financially successful you're penalised under Labour. If you're built a good business, nice home and want to protect your kids future, be sure Labour will want 50% of anything over £125k. Utterly shameful.
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Post by another fine mess on Nov 4, 2019 10:24:01 GMT 1
This is an interview on The Andrew Neil Interviews back in 2017 where in part Corbyn is discussing the IRA and his attendance at Republican/IRA events... People can make their own minds up of course but when people specifically point to Corbyn as to why they will not vote Labour it is perfectly understandable as to why they would not do so. That anyone thinks different is beyond me... I’m more and more convinced that people just believe whatever they want to believe – the facts don’t matter.
It’s obvious from this interview that Corbyn and some leading members of his shadow cabinet supported the IRA.
You have to be quite the contortionist to defend Corbyn. It reminds me of the tangled logic deployed by those who dismiss the allegations of anti-Semitism against Labour as a smear campaign. As I say, some people will believe whatever they want and bend the facts to fit their allegiances.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 4, 2019 10:31:48 GMT 1
This is an interview on The Andrew Neil Interviews back in 2017 where in part Corbyn is discussing the IRA and his attendance at Republican/IRA events... People can make their own minds up of course but when people specifically point to Corbyn as to why they will not vote Labour it is perfectly understandable as to why they would not do so. That anyone thinks different is beyond me... We are voting for our local MPs, so I find it bizarre that people in Shrewsbury won't vote for the local labour candidate because the Labour leader supposedly having links to terrorism, but the local standing MP here has regularly spoken out in favour of Saudi Arabia which had rather more! Sure, that's how you see it. Others know that when they vote it will determine which party wins the election and if that were to be Labour then it would mean Corbyn will become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. The reason why included such things to the discussion is because earlier in the thread we had one or two questioning those who point specifically point to Corbyn as to why they can not vote Labour...👍 I've no doubt that when it comes to voting it isn't just local matters that people take into consideration, who is to be the next PM will have a significant impact too...they are going to be leading the country.
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Post by another fine mess on Nov 4, 2019 10:47:11 GMT 1
Labour needs to be careful with its rhetoric about IHT and billionaires. They are in danger of sounding like they are against aspiration. These days most of the richest people are self-made and, as Matt has said, due to price rises, IHT affects a lot of ordinary folk, especially down south. Regardless of what you think of her, Margaret Thatcher attracted a great many working-class voters because she enabled them to become prosperous – to own their own homes, invest in shares, start their own small businesses etc. Even those who didn’t become better-off straightway had a potential route to doing so. You don’t have to approve of that to recognise that it is true.
People aren’t generally that bothered about a disparity in wealth between them and the very richest. Why should they care what Richard Branson earns? They are more interested in whether their own income is improving and how they compare with people like themselves. The Labour Party of Blair/Brown understood this and won 3 consecutive elections. That’s why Peter Mandelson said: "We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes."
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Nov 4, 2019 11:03:52 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:03:52 GMT 1
"We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes." Does he go on to say how much tax they should pay?
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 4, 2019 11:38:11 GMT 1
Looks like worrying signs for the Tories - Labour gaining 6 points before the campaigning has even begun, and Labour always gain points during the actual campaign. Must admit I'm getting caught up in Corbynmania and if I could change my original vote in this thread from Lib Dem to Labour I would.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2019 12:06:37 GMT 1
This election certainly takes some keeping up with. What with the Conservatives making the BBC news with their 'new' promise "Benefits freeze to end in 2020" although it was announced last January.
Then there is Nigel, who announced on 29th September: "MANCHESTER, England (Reuters) - Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said on Sunday he would run for a seat in Britain’s Westminster parliament in any upcoming election.
With parliament in deadlock over Brexit, a new election is widely expected to come before the end of the year.
“Of course I will stand,” Farage, whose party won the European Parliament elections in Britain in May, told Sky News when asked if he would run."
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Post by theriverside on Nov 4, 2019 12:11:29 GMT 1
Looks like worrying signs for the Tories - Labour gaining 6 points before the campaigning has even begun, and Labour always gain points during the actual campaign. Must admit I'm getting caught up in Corbynmania and if I could change my original vote in this thread from Lib Dem to Labour I would. Replicate that come polling day (it won't happen) and Labour would be facing oblivion........not sure how that post could be seen as a positive for Corbyn........yes the gap will close but right now I can't see Labour/Libs getting 326 seats between them let alone Labour on their own.......
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2019 12:21:57 GMT 1
Looks like worrying signs for the Tories - Labour gaining 6 points before the campaigning has even begun, and Labour always gain points during the actual campaign. Must admit I'm getting caught up in Corbynmania and if I could change my original vote in this thread from Lib Dem to Labour I would. Replicate that come polling day (it won't happen) and Labour would be facing oblivion........not sure how that post could be seen as a positive for Corbyn........yes the gap will close but right now I can't see Labour/Libs getting 326 seats between them let alone Labour on their own....... The key points are: everyone who can vote gets off their arse and votes. we still have fixed term parliaments, so it's for 5 years! don't believe anything one party says about any other parties leaders, judge for yourself. before you vote for the same old party you always vote for have a look at the other parties with an open mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:34:22 GMT 1
This is an interview on The Andrew Neil Interviews back in 2017 where in part Corbyn is discussing the IRA and his attendance at Republican/IRA events... People can make their own minds up of course but when people specifically point to Corbyn as to why they will not vote Labour it is perfectly understandable as to why they would not do so. That anyone thinks different is beyond me... I’m more and more convinced that people just believe whatever they want to believe – the facts don’t matter.
It’s obvious from this interview that Corbyn and some leading members of his shadow cabinet supported the IRA.
You have to be quite the contortionist to defend Corbyn. It reminds me of the tangled logic deployed by those who dismiss the allegations of anti-Semitism against Labour as a smear campaign. As I say, some people will believe whatever they want and bend the facts to fit their allegiances. "Neil Latimer was a member of the ‘UDR Four’ – four members of the Ulster Defence Regiment who were convicted of the murder of Catholic Adrian Carroll in 1983. In 1992, three of the men had their convictions overturned but Mr Latimer remained in prison in spite of three appeals that many felt should have been upheld. The Reverend Paisley was involved in supporting Mr Latimer’s case. Jeremy Corbyn wrote to Latimer in prison on a number of occasions and became friendly with Paisley, with the two men conversing regularly by telephone. Mr Paisley’s widow, Eileen, told the Belfast Telegraph: [Paisley and Tony Benn] were very close even though Ian said he was a bit of a republican. I remember watching them embrace once and there was such warmth between them. Ian knew Jeremy Corbyn too, and he liked him. He didn’t share his politics and he didn’t approve of Jeremy Corbyn meeting Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein people when the IRA campaign was still going on. But he always found him very courteous and polite. He said Jeremy was a gentleman. Corbyn’s role in mediating with loyalist figures is now a matter of established fact." Doesn't sound pro IRA to me.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2019 12:42:04 GMT 1
I’m more and more convinced that people just believe whatever they want to believe – the facts don’t matter. It’s obvious from this interview that Corbyn and some leading members of his shadow cabinet supported the IRA.
You have to be quite the contortionist to defend Corbyn. It reminds me of the tangled logic deployed by those who dismiss the allegations of anti-Semitism against Labour as a smear campaign. As I say, some people will believe whatever they want and bend the facts to fit their allegiances. "Neil Latimer was a member of the ‘UDR Four’ – four members of the Ulster Defence Regiment who were convicted of the murder of Catholic Adrian Carroll in 1983. In 1992, three of the men had their convictions overturned but Mr Latimer remained in prison in spite of three appeals that many felt should have been upheld. The Reverend Paisley was involved in supporting Mr Latimer’s case. Jeremy Corbyn wrote to Latimer in prison on a number of occasions and became friendly with Paisley, with the two men conversing regularly by telephone. Mr Paisley’s widow, Eileen, told the Belfast Telegraph: [Paisley and Tony Benn] were very close even though Ian said he was a bit of a republican. I remember watching them embrace once and there was such warmth between them. Ian knew Jeremy Corbyn too, and he liked him. He didn’t share his politics and he didn’t approve of Jeremy Corbyn meeting Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein people when the IRA campaign was still going on. But he always found him very courteous and polite. He said Jeremy was a gentleman. Corbyn’s role in mediating with loyalist figures is now a matter of established fact." Doesn't sound pro IRA to me. Corbyn sounds like exactly what we need right now: A Gentleman. Prepared to talk to all sides and bring the country back together.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 4, 2019 12:49:29 GMT 1
Looks like worrying signs for the Tories - Labour gaining 6 points before the campaigning has even begun, and Labour always gain points during the actual campaign. Must admit I'm getting caught up in Corbynmania and if I could change my original vote in this thread from Lib Dem to Labour I would. Replicate that come polling day (it won't happen) and Labour would be facing oblivion........not sure how that post could be seen as a positive for Corbyn........yes the gap will close but right now I can't see Labour/Libs getting 326 seats between them let alone Labour on their own....... Understandable if you were looking at it as a one off - but the same polls at the same time before the 2017 election had Labour sitting at 24% and the Tories on 48% and as the campaign went on both parties ended up near enough on the same percentage.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2019 13:31:08 GMT 1
Two surprises for me on this:
- 9 people voting the Brexit Party. Unless you're in a seat the Tories won't win then it's pointless. Fair enough if you are in a Labour stronghold.
- 22 people actually want to vote Lib Dim. One trick pony that have branded themselves the remain party to grab a few votes. They really will do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 13:36:44 GMT 1
[quote author=" theriverside" source="/post/1444856/thread" timestamp=" The key points are: everyone who can vote gets off their arse and votes. we still have fixed term parliaments, so it's for 5 years! don't believe anything one party says about any other parties leaders, judge for yourself. before you vote for the same old party you always vote for have a look at the other parties with an open mind. [ I have looked at the other parties with an open mind as I always do . As a result I have decided to vote for the political party I always vote for . Labour it is for me then thank you .
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 4, 2019 14:29:43 GMT 1
Two surprises for me on this: - 9 people voting the Brexit Party. Unless you're in a seat the Tories won't win then it's pointless. Fair enough if you are in a Labour stronghold. - 22 people actually want to vote Lib Dim. One trick pony that have branded themselves the remain party to grab a few votes. They really will do anything. If you want a centre ground party rather than far right or far left, then Lib Dem’s are the natural party. Nothing one trick about them. And they won’t be losing votes to the Brexit Party either.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:52:24 GMT 1
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Post by salop27 on Nov 4, 2019 14:52:24 GMT 1
FAO of NottsShrews. There are no far left or far right mainstream parties in this election. If you love the EU go ahead and vote lib undem. I think a Corbyn led labour government would be a disaster for the UK but at least I know their policies. Can't even say that for the liberals.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:56:52 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 14:56:52 GMT 1
Surely that’s the brexit party?
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2019 15:01:39 GMT 1
Surely that’s the brexit party? Yeah agree, time for Nigel to step aside in Tory areas.
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